Frayed Knot

Tonight's game in no danger of finishing in under two hours.

Maybe Ike ought to think about giving up the chewing tabaccy. It would be a good idea whether it helps his hitting or not.

Welcome to the house, Haren.

Vic Sage wrote: 1 HR? in how many ABs? 118. It's not much but ... - he;s just back after missing over a month of a two-month season - power is usually the last thing to come around with young'uns - Savannah is maybe the best pitching park in that league

Hefner - 4.5 Lyon - 0.5 Quintanilla - 2.5 Valdespin - 1.5

Ashie62 wrote: First off, I'm guessing more like 50-75 players exposed with most being 50 game suspension violations. Based on ? Third, Marlon Byrd may have a 100 coming but he is not a key cog in Metland Nor, unless I've missed something, is he mentioned as one being tied to this clinic.

Quintanilla - 2.0 Duda - 1.4 Davis - 1.8 Byrd - 1.0 Buck - 0.5

Carson - 0.5 Turner - 1.25 Quintanilla - 1.25 Byrd - 0.5

Marcum - 2.2 Murphy - 1.5 Quintanilla - 1.2 Davis - 0.6 Carson - 0.2

Well Haren has been a lot less good than Zimmermannnnn this season so we've got that going for us. On the other hand ... - NYM bats have been making all kinds of pitchers look great recently - Gee hasn't been as good as Hefner What I'm afraid of is running into one of those situations where you waste a good pitching performance one night only to score some runs the next but give up even more

It was a whole evening of walk-offs in the NL East - Braves win via walk-off vs Pittsburgh (Simmons doubles off the wall with runners on 1st & 2nd) - Phils win in walk-off courtesy of an extra-inning John Mayberry Grand Slam (after he tied it in the 9th w/a HR) against Miami Three walk-off winners, two walk-off losers, and two blown saves (Parnell & Cishek)

OK then I'll just bitch about getting four hits for the entire game, one of which was a questionably scored bunt.

It's certainly debatable as the out at home is considerably tougher to get when there's not force. That's the rationale for the IW there. Zvon wrote: If it comes in under two hours I'm gonna feel short changed. 2:23 was the official time - and I feel cheated by the result not the time.

We can nit-pick the strategy all we want, but when the offense doesn't give the staff any margin for error, then the closer comes in and gives up two rocket doubles sandwiched around a single, and then throws in a wild pitch just for good measure (I don't care how they scored that, it was a WP) then it's going to be tough to win. For the record, I preferred pitching to Bernadina because Lombardozzi is a better contact guy but it's a debatable topic and we were going to have to pitch to him eventually no matter what you did. As far as Parnell's pitch selection, I prefer that he un-select the ones he threw that wound up smacking against the walls despite the no-doubles defense.

Yogi himself was a terrific athlete despite the odd looks and non-classic build. Some of the stories from his amateur days were probably enhanced by the old 'big-fish/small-pond' situation but I remember hearing about how he was the best football player in his town, a real good soccer player (remember that a lot of Italian immigrants formed some good, by US standards, teams in those days), and had an excellent amateur boxing stint.

duan wrote: How short is this game going to be... Won't be much over 2 hours unless it goes tomextras After my rant on long games, I'll take it. Heading for the bottom of the 8th, just shy of two hours right now. Yanx currently in a game with similar offense (4-0) still in the top of the 6th

There are a couple other legacies in this coming draft that I didn't list -- by the time they included every brother, nephew, and celebrity relation (Jamie Foxx's nephew for instance) it was a LONG list. One is a kid out of the Citadel in South Carolina named Joe Jackson who is listed as "a distant relation" of Shoeless Joe. There was another 'distant relation' type named Cameron Berra

Q has def increased the offense we're getting from SS Now we just have to see if he can go more than one game in a row without making an error.

Single Season Record = 50 by HoF-er Bert Blyleven

Read the other day that this team currently has like the 4th or 5th worst OBA for any team in the division (post-1969) era. Can't remember the exact numbers or the previous teams that were lower but, I gotta say, I didn't see this one coming, nor did I foresee a sub-.500 nest of Gnats in June.

Other legacies eligible for this year's draft: Nick Bando C/RHP San Diego Christian JC -- Father is former MLB catcher Chris Bando; uncle is former MLB third baseman Sal Bando Brantley Bell SS Mountain Pointe HS, Phoenix -- Father is former MLB infielder Jay Bell Cody Bellinger 1B Hamilton HS, Chandler, Ariz. -- Father is former MLB infielder Clay Bellinger Cole Bieser OF Southeast Missouri State -- Father is former MLB outfielder and current Southeast Missouri State head coach Steve Bieser Luke Borders 3B Winter Haven (Fla.) HS -- Father is former MLB catcher Pat Borders Rafael Bournigal SS Lakeland (Fla.) Christian HS -- Father is former MLB shortstop Rafael Bournigal Alex Boyd RHP/SS Rancho Buena Vista HS, Vista, Calif. -- Uncle is former MLB pitcher Oil Can Boyd Gunnar Buhner 2B Mount Si HS, Snoqualmie, Wash. -- Father is former MLB outfielder Jay Buhner Austin Cangelosi SS Sandburg HS, Orland Park, Ill. -- Father is former MLB outfielder John Cangelosi Kacy Clemens RHP Memorial HS, Houston -- Father is 11-time all-star pitcher Roger Clemens Mijon Cummings OF Steinbrenner HS, Tampa -- Father is former MLB outfielder Midre Cummings Cody Dent OF Florida -- Father is former MLB all-star Bucky Dent Luke Farrell RHP Northwestern -- Father is former MLB pitcher and Red Sox manager John Farrell Bobby Geren C Princeton -- Father is former MLB catcher and manager Bob Geren Austin Grebeck OF Mater Dei HS, Santa Ana, Calif. -- Father is former MLB shortstop Craig Grebeck Seth Greene RHP Virginia Commonwealth -- Father is former MLB pitcher Tommy Greene Chad Hockin RHP Damien HS, La Verne, Calif. -- Grandfather is Hall of Famer Harmon Killebrew Torii Hunter Jr. OF Prosper (Texas) HS -- Father is nine-time Gold Glove outfielder Torii Hunter Alex Jones 3B Pell City (Ala.) HS -- Father is former MLB pitcher Todd Jones Kevin Kuntz SS Kansas -- Father is former MLB outfielder and Royals first base coach Rusty Kuntz Adam Law 2B Brigham Young -- Father is former MLB all-star infielder Vance Law; grandfather is 1960 Cy Young award winner Vern Law Dylan Manwaring 3B Horseheads (N.Y.) HS -- Father is former MLB catcher Kirt Manwaring Blaise Maris C St. Francis Caholic HS, Gainesville, Fla. -- Grandfather is Yankees legend Roger Maris Jacob May OF Coastal Carolina -- Grandfather is former MLB outfielder Lee May; Dillon Moyer SS UC San Diego -- Father is former MLB pitcher Jamie Moyer Preston Palmeiro 1B Heritage HS, Frisco, Texas -- Father is four-time all-star first baseman Rafael Palmeiro Josh Pettitte RHP Deer Park (Texas) HS -- Father is Yankees lefthander Andy Pettitte Ryan Plantier OF Cornell -- Father is former MLB first baseman Phil Plantier Cal Quantrill RHP Trinity College School, Port Hope, Ont. -- Father is former MLB pitcher Paul Quantrill Manny Ramirez Jr. OF IMG Academy, Bradenton, Fla. -- Father is 12-time all star outfielder Manny Ramirez Elijah Rodriguez 2B Grand Street Campus HS, New York -- Father is former MLB pitcher Frankie Rodriguez Dalton Saberhagen LHP Tennessee -- Father is former MLB pitcher Bret Saberhagen Lukas Schiraldi RHP Navarro (Texas) JC -- Father is former MLB pitcher Calvin Schiraldi JaVon Shelby SS Tates Creek HS, Lexington, Ky. -- Father is former MLB outfielder John Shelby Kevin Stenhouse OF Rhode Island -- Grandfather is former MLB pitcher Dave Stenhouse; father is former MLB outfielder Mike Stenhouse Wes Torrez RHP Jacksonville -- Father is former MLB pitcher Mike Torrez J.D. Underwood RHP Palm Beach State (Fla.) JC -- Father is former MLB pitcher Tom Underwood Ben Verlander OF Old Dominion -- Brother is Tigers pitcher Justin Verlander Chad Wallach C Cal State Fullerton -- Father is former MLB third baseman Tim Wallach Brodie Weiss SS Regis Jesuit HS, Aurora, Colo. -- Father is former MLB shortstop and Rockies manager Walt Weiss Cody Yount OF Virginia Commonwealth -- Father is former MLB pitcher Larry Yount; uncle is Hall of Famer Robin Yount

Ceetar wrote: I just hope they draft someone good. They're all good NOW. The trick is to figure out which ones are going to be good later on. A quick history on #11 picks: When the Mets pick 11th overall this year it�ll be the 49th #11 overall pick (not surprisingly seeing how this is the 49th amateur draft) and the first time that the Mets have had this specific pick over that span. Of the previous 48 * 27 from HS, 21 from college * 20 were pitchers, 28 position players * 17 of those 48 failed to reach the majors, although that number includes the four most recent choices who all still could reach at some point in the near future. So a more accurate ratio now stands at 31 successes vs 13 failures if you�re using making the show, however breifly, as your success/failure standard although you'd want something a bit better than just making the majors out of your 11th overall pick. * Of the 26 position players (not counting the recent two) 17 reached the >100 games played mark which the post that opened this thread used as the standard between success and failure. Of course that standard was being applied to all Top-100 picks so you�d certainly want this ratio to be much better and it is with 65% of the picks reaching that mark as opposed to 38% * Using the >10 career WAR standard (again, position players only) as the definition of "Impact� players we find 4 players (15%), only somewhat higher than the 1-in-8 mark found by BA for all Top-100 position player picks but, again, maybe more to come. Best picks by WAR in a career (with McCutcheon obviously still active): Greg Luzinski -- 1968 Phillies -- 26.1 Shane Mack -- 1984 Padres -- 21.6 Andrew McCuthchen -- 2005 Pirates -- 21.4 Walt Weiss -- 1985 A�s -- 16.5 Max Scherzer -- 2006 Diamondbacks -- 13.0 Shawn Estes -- 1991 Mariners -- 11.1

My biggest complaint about Thorne--both in baseball & hockey--is that he called every goal/HR like it was the game seven WS/SC winner. He knows both sports, has the right voice and a good cadence and all that, but going over the top for a 1st period goal in a January game leaves one little room to go up from there if and when you actually do get to call the Stanley Cup winner.

If Miggy is anyone 2.0 it's Albert Although, as good as he is to date (just turned 30), he's still not where Albert was at the same age. M. Cabrera (current): 6,732 PAs; .320/.396/.565; 338 HRs; 401 2Bs Albert (thru age 30): 6,782 PAs; .331/.426/.624; 408 HRs; 426 2Bs

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Is there anything stopping the International League from adding two franchises? If they offer a better stadium, market, or whatever, then teams are less likely to get "stuck" with a PCL franchise that they don't want. Well, there's an overall 'umbrella' organization that runs minor league baseball as a whole. In that way the PCL & Int'l leagues are rivals in a similar way that the NL & AL are, point being that we're not going to see one league steal from, or voluntarily hand over to, a couple of teams from the other in either the majors or the minors. I think what the problem is that there seems to be a slight mis-match (by like maybe one or two) in the number of east & west cities between the majors and the highest minors so that one eastern ML team seems to get stuck with a western affiliate. I don't see any easy solution to that, but on the other hand I also don't think it's a huge problem even though it winds up being not the ideal solution for one unlucky team at a time.