Frayed Knot wrote: Centerfield wrote: deGrom kind of illustrates how little I understand about scouting and labeling prospects. For instance, Zack Wheeler is as highly touted as they come. They say he has front-of-the rotation potential. Zack throws his fastball around 96, but his secondary pitches are not great, and lack consistency. Wheeler struggles with his control. deGrom, on the other hand, sits at about 94 with his fastball, but has plus secondary pitches, including a great changeup he can throw even when behind in the count. deGrom has good control and limits his walks. Despite this, he was a fringe prospect. From what I read about him, I expected him to be Pat Strange or Kevin Mulvey. Part of that is age - Wheeler is two full years younger so compare, say, where he is now vs where deGrom was two years ago (single-A); part is the age at which they were drafted - college senior vs HS, meaning that Wheeler has been on the radar longer; part is small sample size - deGrom being better NOW!!!! doesn't mean he will be for the next 5 or 10 and the long term is what forecasters are trying to project part is a scouts tendency to drool over readings on the radar gun and other such talents that fall under the general category of 'Stuff' And, yeah, the scouts and touts who follow this end of the business do also get things wrong more than occasionally. A little background on how deGrom was seen (by one person anyway) prior to this season. John Sickels had named him a "sleeper candidate" a year or so back - and sometimes those predictions work out in spades.