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seawolf17 wrote: Wow. If you were wondering: yes, Citi Field can get loud. But did it shake? It shake shacked. But Wow!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: LET'S! GO! ARGUE ABOUT MODIFIER USAGE FOR HOURS! I didn't like the misbegotten birthing of the thing. But it's miles more comfortable, now appropriately "home"y (really, with the Museum/various adornments, it's decor does more to celebrate Met history than Shea did), and the food/beer may be a little overcelebrated, but it's generally excellent. Shea felt like home, yes. So, too, does a jail cell to the instiitutionalized, or a padded one to those become a certain kind of psychological support. Also... I think that it's great that the Mets are likely to offer DW an extension. I could care less about modifiers. I'm simply not on board with the absolutely ridiculous pollyanna notion that it's supposed to be some cause for celebration should the Mets spend the rest of eternity going 71-91 every goddamn season. Quite frankly, everything about the Mets is not good and anyone who thinks otherwise has no credibility. And nobody here should have to walk on eggshells when the mood strikes them to quite accurately point out that Alex Cora sucked.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Great. "We can build a tiny 40,000 seat stadium in New York City because we're better than the '62 Mets. Mingle with your fellow pissers without mingling your actual piss." Mets averaged 41k or so (capacity of Citi is 41.8 and they could push that to 44 if they were selling out) in 2006. they got higher in 2007 and 2008 but a large part of that was Shea Goodbye. They've never topped 40k without Citi Field looming. Why bother building another deck of further away crappy seats for people that are probably not going to come? They averaged 40K by drawing 50K on weekends and 25-35K on cold weekday night games. The smaller stadium discourages many fans from even considering attending a game. But the Wilpons couldn't give a shit so long as attendance multiplied by the price of admission is satisfactory. And they could care less about how much goodwill they squander in order to hit their goals. And another thing --- how do you know that the Mets wouldn't have averaged 44K or 48K during Citi Field's first seasons, instead of 41K, if capacity was larger?

Ceetar wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Great. "We can build a tiny 40,000 seat stadium in New York City because we're better than the '62 Mets. Mingle with your fellow pissers without mingling your actual piss." Mets averaged 41k or so (capacity of Citi is 41.8 and they could push that to 44 if they were selling out) in 2006. they got higher in 2007 and 2008 but a large part of that was Shea Goodbye. They've never topped 40k without Citi Field looming. Why bother building another deck of further away crappy seats for people that are probably not going to come? They averaged 40K by drawing 50K on weekends and 25-35K on cold weekday night games. The smaller stadium discourages many fans from even considering attending a game. But the Wilpons couldn't give a shit so long as attendance multiplied by the price of admission is satisfactory. And they could care less about how much goodwill they squander in order to hit their goals.

Great. "We can build a tiny 40,000 seat stadium in New York City because we're better than the '62 Mets. Mingle with your fellow pissers without mingling your actual piss."

So what did you say? It's obvious that according to you, we're not supposed to criticize something because the Mets win more than 69 games a season. So what kind of equity or goodwill do you suppose the Mets get for that streak?

Vic Sage wrote: Death to modifiers! Yes, i agree, "extremely poor" is inaccurate; i think "poor" covers it well enough. In the 11 full seasons since our WS loss to the MFYs in 2000, we've had 8 seasons as total non-factors (finishing from 3rd to 5th), 2 frustrating near-misses and 1 post-season appearance. This year? We'll see. And what this record signifies to me is over a decade of suckitude (albeit not "extreme suckitude"), with 1 post-season peekaboo that ended in heartbreaking fashion. If you want to salute this streak of 70+ win seasons as if its some sort of accomplishment, then knock yourself out. You really wanna knock yourself out? Since 1988, the Pittsburgh Pirates won the NL East twice as many times as the NY Mets. And Pitt hasn't been in the East for about 20 years, and hasn't finished over .500 since Barry Bonds signed with the Giants. Love the Wilpons? Really?

This is about the most contrived piece of dreck I ever heard. We should love the Wilpons because the Mets win more than 69 games a season? What's next? Rey Ordonez for Cooperstown because he hit more than five doubles every season?

I don't like CitiField. Yes, its pretty and the food is better, but the view from the cheaper seats suck worse than Shea and the good seats are too expensive (not to mention overpriced parking/merch/food). - I don't like the Wilpons and their management; their shady dealings cast a shadow over the franchise and their Dodgerphilia taints their perception of team history; just to clarify: i hated Shea. But when given a clean slate to create a whole new park, they did more wrong than right, as far as I'm concerned. So Citi doesn't excite me, even in comparison to the crap palace it replaced. "But our dividerless urinals are a modern upgrade over the standard piss trough." "And on the field, the bases are precisely 90 feet apart from each other. That was especially my idea."

Well if Collins doesn't get it, then he deserves the Mets woeful run differential. And if that run differential is not flukish, then the Mets will eventually drop from this pennant race like a sinking stone.

In a warped sort of way, I kinda like that the fringe end of the Mets pen could be so toxic so as to frequently fire-start a close game into oblivion. Because it shows Collins, and any other stupid manager that's hung up on this 9th inning closer guy bullshit that every inning counts. And a run scored in the 7th counts just as much as a run scored in the 9th.

Edgy DC wrote: Maybe. Though I still say supply relative to demand hasn't diminished. Those last two guys are not the way to best use your roster spots, I would certainly argue. And they certainly shouldn't be getting meaningful innings, but spending the majority of their month eating sunflower seeds. I think any diminishution of talent is an illusion caused by an increased percentage of pitchers being allowed to confront higher-leverage situations. I don't see how teams have a choice when it's no longer unusual for a starter to get taken out after pitching just five innings. If pitchers pitched longer today .... if rosters were comprised of 10 pitchers ... then someone like Manny Acosta would be a AAA pitcher and Chris Schwinden still wouldn't know what a major league post-game buffet tastes like.

There may or may not be a dilution of pitchers but there is surely a dilution in the talent level of major league pitching. When the game changes to the point that each team now carries an extra pitcher or two on the 25 man roster, well that's about four dozen pitchers that wouldn't have been pitching in the majors before the pitch count factor changed the way pitchers are handled. Edgy DC wrote: A good team used to be able to get the season with eight effective pitchers, the playoffs with seven, the World Series with six. There isn't a dilution of supply but an increase in demand. That's very old history. Teams can't get by with just eight pitchers when the starter, even if dominant on that day, is usually lifted with two or three innings still left in the game.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Am I the last local who's yet to attend a game in person? You're tied with me, too.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Mets � Willets Point wrote: GODWINNED. Yes I did. But at least I didn't engage in reductio ad Hitlerumisms.

Mets � Willets Point wrote: GODWINNED. Yes I did.

Vic Sage wrote: I like Capuano. When he's healthy (which has been rarely), he helps a staff. Not THIS much, usually, and he'll come back to the pack a bit, i'm sure (fun with sample sizes!), but its not a total shock either, especially in the pitching-friendly expanse of Chavez Ravine. Like Citi Field 2011 wasn't pitching friendly either. By the way, ESPN's Cy Predictor sez that Capuano wins the NL Cy Young Award if the season ends today.

Edgy DC wrote: I'd invite Benitez anywhere. ANYWHERE! You'd invite Hitler anywhere if he were a Met fan.

But don't invite Armando Benitez, who cost Franco a Cooperstown induction. And while you're at it, don't put Armando's face on one of this year's season tickets, and don't include him in SNY's list of the 50 greatest Mets, either.

Though no longer on pace to bat .400, or even lead the NL in batting, David Wright is still on pace to break Eddie K's franchise hit record this season. Target date: Monday, September 10, 2012, at home against the Nats, (Jim Hickman appearing on the season ticket holder stock ticket).

Q's quick compact swing tonight reminded me of the good Gregg Jefferies.

Mike Baxter - a double a day keeps the Bisons away.

Frayed Knot wrote: Brett Butler had a good and lengthy career but it wouldn't have been much of either had he not been a top-notch defensive player for much of that time. Brett Butler was one of his generations best leadoff hitters, maybe even the best, second only to Rickey, finishing in the top 25 in MVP voting regularly for almost a decade. If Brett couldn't field a lick, he'da still succeeded as a top notch DH. Jason Tyner was no Brett Butler, glovework notwithstanding.

Omar Quintanilla - First Met whose last name begins with "Q" in team history.

Rottino Home Runs are becoming Routine-o around here.