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MFS62 wrote: In his last year, Willie was a mere shadow of the magnificent player I had seen when he came up in New York Isn't pretty much every all star a shadow of what they used to be when they retire? What are you hoping for? That David Wright returns and wins the MVP in his last season?

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Edgy MD wrote: Rodney to the A's. Fernando Rodney. I get the idea he gets dealt to somebody for the stretch run every year. Means he'll never play for the Mets.

Vive la France!

I guarantee you that the Mets will in fact recoup that money. And I hate to be the one breaking it to you, but Wright's never coming back. First of all, this attempted "comeback" is probably half a charade at least, because maybe Wright's kind of a naif who isn't as hardened as he should be and might actually be worried that there might be people out there who think he took the money and ran. And even if by some miracle, he might one day be able to plausibly play, there's no way the Mets let it happen if it risks their insurance coverage just so that Wrjght might suck for a few games and have to shut it down again. And stop sticking up for the fucking Wilpons, you maniac.

The Mets aren't 12th. They're bottom third. Insurance is covering a huge chunk of Wright's and Cespedes's salaries and quite frankly, I'm not even sure that what the Mets are actually paying out is more than $100M. Now if you wanna pretend, like Jeff Wilpon does, that there's no insurance for those players, then yeah, the Mets are 12th. 12th for America's largest market. Wright and Cespedes are pretty much off the books right now, as I write this post.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Tonight's loss drops the Mets into last place as they play leapfrog with ineptitude rivals, the Miami Marlins. More important, the Mets gain two slots as they jockey for position in next year's amateur draft. If the season ended today, the Mets'd pick sixth. Yesterday, they would've drafted eighth. Gotta root for something. Mets move up a slot in next year's amateur draft. If the season ended today, the Mets would select fifth overall. Beats rooting for Jason Vargas.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: There's nothing ridiculous about a mercy rule. It's just that you're not accustomed to it and it's associated with children's baseball. But if MLB always had a rule where a team is charged with a loss as soon as it falls behind by "x" runs, it will have been a fabric of the game and as traditional as the sac bunt. And you'd accept it. And a player with a performance clause would understand that the mercy rule, just like a heavy and prolonged rain, could interfere with his personal goals. If MLB had always played through heavy rain, like the NFL does, you'd probably think that proposed rain delay rules were for pussies. The likeliest reason there's no MLB mercy rule is not because the rule's ridiculous, but because of the economics. Fans can't spend their money when the game's over and the ushers are herding them out of the ballpark.

There's nothing ridiculous about a mercy rule. It's just that you're not accustomed to it and it's associated with children's baseball. But if MLB always had a rule where a team is charged with a loss as soon as it falls behind by "x" runs, it will have been a fabric of the game and as traditional as the sac bunt. And you'd accept it. And a player with a performance clause would understand that the mercy rule, just like a heavy and prolonged rain, could interfere with his personal goals. If MLB had always played through heavy rain, like the NFL does, you'd probably think that proposed rain delay rules were for pussies.

Holy Pythagoras, Batman! From the Daily News game article: Steven Matz, one of the core four of pitchers the club refused to part with due to delusions of grandeur that they can contend in 2019 with this roster as currently constituted, got lit up by the Nationals. He didn’t make it out of the first inning, allowing eight hits and seven runs and recording just two outs. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-sports-mets-nationals-game-box-20180731-story.html?outputType=amp

Standing pat may be the problem. They're not tearing down. But then they probably won't spend meaningfully to plug up the holes. They'll end up treading water and hoping for the next Michael Cuddyer -- some old geezer by baseball standards who was an all star six years ago, to wildly exceed expectations.

Edgy MD wrote: Roy Lee could hit a little, too. Yes he could! In 1979, Roy was a hitting machine. Pitchers couldn't get him out. He was a feared hitter in Toronto, too.

Six shutout innings. Three more innings from Zack like his last six and I'm all ready to anoint him the next Roy Lee Jackson.

Lewis also suffered a terrible tragedy as a young player with the Cards when he lost his wife in a car accident.

Keith Hernandez had some very nice words for Lewis during yesterday's broadcast. Lewis worked in the Cards system as an instructor when Keith was coming up, and was extremely kind to Keith, according to Keith.

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For a team with just about the worst record in baseball, the Mets sure do have a helluva lotta untouchables and guys that no one wants to see get traded.

Tonight's loss drops the Mets into last place as they play leapfrog with ineptitude rivals, the Miami Marlins. More important, the Mets gain two slots as they jockey for position in next year's amateur draft. If the season ended today, the Mets'd pick sixth. Yesterday, they would've drafted eighth. Gotta root for something.

Is Callaway gonna let deGrom hit? I'm not asking what you would do. What Callaway would do.

Centerfield wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Plenty. I disagree with the suggestion that failure is sufficient evidence to establish malice. Yeah. I don't think failure alone is enough to establish malice. But without rehashing everything, there are mountains of evidence of actual malice. You don't need to establish malice. Not that there isn't any malice but isn't gross incompetence more than enough? Or do you some of youse wanna believe that two first place finishes in 30 years is nothing but bad luck? Just re read that 42 minute post on the history of Wilpon fuckery, which you already know all about. I'm sure as hell not gonna rehash the history for the infintieth time.

Good for you. You couldn't say a bad thing about the Mets with a gun to your head. That's grand. That the Wilpons aren't colossally incompetent baseball owners.

I don't even know where to start with this but for starters, without the David Wright insurance policy kicking in, no way the Mets sign Yoenis. So this idea that the Wilpons are paying out two $100M salaries simultaneously is bullshit. And Yoenis is also insured. And Jeff Wilpon has been quoted as saying that he's counting Wright's entire contract in calculating Mets payroll even though 75% of it is now covered by insurance. Two first place finishes in 30 seasons. What more do you need to know?

Kernan is calculating 8-10 months after the surgery is completed. If the surgery is staggered (one heel at a time), that puts Cespedes's return at August of 2019. And that's an absolute best case scenario, timewise, let alone what condition he's gonna be in. Best case scenarios are unlikely, both logically, and statistically. Because they're best case scenarios. And that's my beef with your post and your analysis on pretty much everything. It's always an absolute best case scenario, it's always gonna be the player's best season ever. Every player. All the time. Even if he's back next year August, (and I doubt it because injury return predictions are historically wildly optimistic) he'll have missed most of the last three seasons. The actuarial tables aren't on his side.

Mets need to get it through their heads: Yoenis Cespedes is done By Kevin Kernan This Yoenis Cespedes charade is everything that's wrong with Mets The Mets' one last chance at dignity is here No Yo. It’s over. Probably for the 2019 season, too. The biggest mistake the Mets can make, now that Yoenis Cespedes is going to have staggered surgery on both heels, is to think he will be a functioning, powerful Met once again. No more pipe dreams. There is no way the Mets can count on Cespedes being able to carry a team. With his leg injuries he can’t carry himself, much less a team. The Mets need to deal in reality and move forward. They can’t make the same David Wright mistake with Cespedes. They can’t wait on Yo. It’s Yo-ver. If Cespedes comes back in any way, shape or form, that is a bonus. Baseball in 2018 has taught us that old and injured players get old faster nowadays than ever before. This game is too fast, too powerful, too much velocity for old, injured players to bounce back strong. Cespedes will be 33 the next time he takes the field for the Mets. If all goes right. There is no bigger if in sports than an “if’’ attached to the Mets. Cespedes cannot be counted on in any way for next year or the future. Deal with it. This is no longer Yo’s team in any way. That is the first thing the Mets and their fans have to get through their heads. The highlight of the Mets’ Yo Era was the 2015 World Series run. That’s it. The reality is that at the age of 32 and facing not one but two brutal heel surgeries — the second one can’t take place until two to three months after the first, and then there is an eight- to 10-month rehab period followed by having to work his way back from nowhere back into game shape — even if everything goes right, Cespedes would not be ready until around August 2019. That’s if everything goes right. This is the Mets; everything does not go right in the Mets’ world. Cespedes was hoping he would not need double heel surgery until after he retired, but the pain became too much. “Yo worked his butt off to try to come back,’’ said one of his close friends Wednesday before the Mets beat the Padres, 6-4, at Citi Field. “It just couldn’t be done.’’ Reality hit Cespedes on Friday night, when it took him so long to walk 90 feet back to the dugout at Yankee Stadium following his two-out ground out in the eighth. After talking to numerous Mets sources Wednesday, the plan is to go ahead and still build around the starting rotation of Jacob deGrom, Noah Syndergaard, Zack Wheeler and Steven Matz unless they are blown away by a trade proposal. The way teams overvalue prospects, that is not likely to happen. Clearly the Mets will have to upgrade the defense and improve the offense. For all those crying to blow it up and trade deGrom and start from scratch, not happening now. There is no more Yo, so pitching and defense become that much more important. “I don’t think we are going to make any radical changes based on this information in the next few days,’’ assistant GM John Ricco said as a somber Cespedes sat beside him. “Certainly in the offseason we have to take this into consideration, but I don’t really see anything changing in the next few days.’ Yoenis Cespedes isn't only Met feeling the pain: 'It sucks' Michael Conforto is the Mets’ left fielder now and into the future. Conforto is going to have to be more of a leader in that clubhouse, and he told The Post on Wednesday he is ready for such a challenge. But he is going to have to have help. The Mets will need to reinvest the Cespedes insurance money on his $110 million contract that runs through 2020 back into new deals. That is a must. They have to hit the free-agent market. They still have to find a new baseball head of operations, who today has a much blanker slate with Cespedes on the shelf for such an extended period of time. It’s a whole new No Yo world. The stumbling Mets once again have so much work to do. https://nypost.com/2018/07/25/mets-need-to-get-it-through-their-heads-yoenis-cespedes-is-done/

Ceetar wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Sure. That's if everything goes right and Yoenis and the Mets get the best possible result. Which is what you always take for granted is going to happen. You left out the part where next year, 11 Mets are gonna have the career seasons of their lifetimes. If everything goes right, it's closer to the 8 in the "8-10" projected window and he gets about 3 weeks of rehab/spring games he could be back by Opening Day/early April. If it's 10, that's June 1st. So I'm literally suggesting we estimate nearly 2 more months. If you're going to add on at least 2-3 more, I suggest you cite something other than 'LOLMets' for that reasoning. I wasnt the one who said 2020. I said that if it's 2020, he's probably done.