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A Boy Named Seo wrote: Let it be known that I do not want to trade Noah Syndergaard, but Mets are apparently GOING FOR IT and Ken Rosenthal sez Thor is next outta town so WATP right here righ tnow. San Diego sends the Mets Manuel Margot, Francisco Mejia and McKenzie Gore for Noah Syndergaard and Kevin Plawecki. Pads get their young affordable ace and a catcher who can play every day if Hedges can't hit. The Mets then offer Margot to Cleveland along with Travis d'Arnaud, current #1 prospect Andres Gimenez and BIG DAWG TODD FRAZIER for Corey Kluber and Yan Gomes! The Indians will want more, so I'll add current #5 prospect Franklyn Kilome (the dude we got for Asdrubal) and they'll think about it for a long, hard minute before accepting the offer. Kluber is awesome but making $17M this year, so Cleveland gets younger, saves ~$11M in this trade and fills immediate needs at catcher and the outfield, plus they have a one-year stop-gap at third in case Yandy Diaz isn't any ready or isn't very good. Superstar Jose Ramirez doesn't have the body for 2nd base, so he can slide to third next year and Gimenez can play second if he's ready. Kilome was at AA last year so might get a call-up as soon as this season. Indians are re-loading! The Mets rotation led by deGrom, Kluber and Wheeler is still excellent, with Gomes a solid replacement at catcher, and McNeil slotting in at third. Despite losing 2 more prospects, the quality at the top of the farm might be better with Gore and Mejia the new #1 and #2 prospects with Alonso knocking on the door. I HAVE TO GO ADD FAKE GM TO MY LINKDIN PROFILE NOW GUYS. I WILL MISS U, NOAH SYNDERGAARD I don't see why the Mets would make the San Diego trade or why the Indians would make the other trade. -First off, Kilome is out for the entire season with TJ Surgery. -Second, I cannot see what the bait is for Cleveland to part with Kluber. Gimenez? Not for Kluber. Margot? He must be some sort of defensive whiz because I do not see what his appeal is from the offensive stats. Frazier? You rate him waaayyyy higher than I do. -Third (and most importantly), there is NO FUCKING WAY that I move Syndergaard to the Padres unless I am getting Tatis Jr back in the deal! Offer me Tatis, Mejia, and Paddack (or Morejon) and then I will talk. I'll even put McNeil in that trade.

Maybe the only reason why they tendered d'Arnaud is because Cleveland wants him? I certainly hope so because I want nothing to do with Travis d'Arnaud anymore. https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/mets-are-optimistic-they-can-strike-trade-with-indians-for-c-yan-gomes/301311540

This is idiotic. What if Alonso does not make the team out of Spring Training? Then you are left only with Smith as a viable option to play first base.

Mex17 wrote: Food for thought here. . . Over the remainder of his contract, Cano needs to average 106 hits in order to reach 3,000 and 18 HR to reach 400. He did get nabbed for PEDs once, but it was long after the "steroid era" where a lot of achievements were called into question. If he hits those milestones with only the one PED blemish and maintains something close to his current career .304/.355/.493 slashline, is he legitimately in the conversaion for Cooperstown? Cano is a borderline (perhaps likely) Hall of Famer. You waive the Mays rule for him.

-2019 Opening Day Nimmo-rf Flores-1b Cano-2b Frazier-3b Conforto-lf "catcher to be named later" Lagares-cf pitcher Rosario-ss -Somewhere between just 1st and the All-Star Break (hopefully) Nimmo-cf McNeil-3b Cano-2b Cespedes-lf Conforto-rf "catcher to be named later" Alonso-1b pitcher Rosario-ss That being said, I still have it in my head that Adam Jones could come here relatively cheap for the purpose of Cespedes injury insurance.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: No, that's not the question at all. It's precisely the question because that is what each side wants out of this. Kelenic (and, to a lesser extent, Dunn) is the prize for Seattle. The prospects of a championship for the Mets after a 30+ year drought is the prize for BVW and the Wilpons. Whether or not either or both of those actually happen is where the risk comes in. BVW is also gambling on there being other toolsy 19 year olds coming up the pike in future years, and that his reinforcements to the FO (Baird and Guttridge) will give him an edge in finding his share of them.

Would you trade a Hall of Fame career for Jared Kelenic as a lifelong Seattle Mariner in exchange for one world championship for the Mets within the next three seasons? That is essentially the question now. Keep in mind that we just witnessed an entire almost Cooperstown worthy (if not for injury) career of a lifelong Met come and go with no championship to show for it.

Food for thought here. . . Over the remainder of his contract, Cano needs to average 106 hits in order to reach 3,000 and 18 HR to reach 400. He did get nabbed for PEDs once, but it was long after the "steroid era" where a lot of achievements were called into question. If he hits those milestones with only the one PED blemish and maintains something close to his current career .304/.355/.493 slashline, is he legitimately in the conversaion for Cooperstown?

"Though the deal is not yet official, the trade on the table is Cano/Diaz for Jay Bruce, Anthony Swarzak, Jarred Kelenic, Jeff McNeil, and Justin Dunn. It is possible the Mets can subtract one of those younger players (Kelenic, McNeil, Dunn) before the deal becomes official." https://www.sny.tv/mets/news That's a lot.

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Seems like all the assholes on twitter are crying in unison Cano + Diaz for Bruce + Swarzak + "prospects". 5 years, $120M left on Cano - ($50M from Seattle + $26M of Bruce going to Seattle + $8M of Swarzak going to Seattle) = $36 million. That is now a $7.2 million AAV. More palatable. Now does that mean that you pay more in prospects due to the increased monetary offset or does Swarzak have enough value as a player where you do not have to give up as many prospects? I have no idea. And does losing Swarzak weaken the middle of the bullpen? I know that he had a bad 2018 but a comeback was not out of the question in my view.

Centerfield wrote: Looks like it might happen tonight. God help us. Source?

What if Haniger is in the deal instead of Mallex Smith? I like Mallex, but I think Haniger would fit more of a need. http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/stats/_/id/32771/mitch-haniger

I started envisioning Kelenic's Hall of Fame induction ceremony the moment his name was mentioned in all this. At this point, they had better hope that Alonso is a top ROY candidate because they really need some reliable righthanded pop from somewhere other than Frazier (overrated in my book) and Cespedes (no idea when/if he is coming back or what to expect from him once he does). Three years of Familia can be had probably for around $30 million. That is just one example that I have memorized from that fangraphs site that listed the projections for the top 50 FAs. Is four years of Diaz control (and possibly four years of Mallex Smith control) better than that if it comes with 5 years, $44 million ($120 - $50 coming from Seattle - $26 of Bruce going to Seattle) for an over-35 Cano? That's an $8.8 million AAV.

Signed to a minor league contract. I thought he was going to be McNeil before McNeil became McNeil. Went to the Reds originally for Bruce. Is it ironic that he is returning just as Bruce and McNeil might both be leaving?

Frayed Knot wrote: Just to be clear here, your version of keeping a "healthy Cespedes from being overused", and of "keeping Frazier involved" for that matter, has both of them sitting out some 70-80% of the time. I don't think that's gonna fly. That's the rub. Everyone keeps saying that they need another "big bat" in the lineup, preferably a righthanded one. Where do you put that bat? The only places that I can think of are third base, second base, and the outfield. Everyone is enamored with McNeil and no one wants to sit Nimmo or Conforto. There is a still a committment to Frazier and you have to keep a spot open for Cespedes even though no one has any idea when he is coming back or what he will be when he comes back. No one really wants to trade Syndergaard and this Mariners trade (which looks like BVW is pursuing) addresses none of the above concerns. What do you do?

bmfc1 wrote: [tweet]https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1067815828610052096[/tweet] Former Royals GM. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allard_Baird Where does this leave Omar?

Just for kicks, Mallex vs. Nimmo side by side. https://www.fantasypros.com/mlb/compare/mallex-smith-brandon-nimmo.php

Frayed Knot wrote: Well, the problem at the root of all this is not having a true CF'er. That's a problem that needs to be solved by I don't solve it by making the two best hitters on the team into part-time players. So I certainly don't add Mallex Smith with the intention of making him a full-time player if the net result is going to be that each one of his ABs takes one away from either Conforto and/or (second-half) Cespedes. That's a downgrade rather than a solution even if it turns out that Smith one good (semi-full time 2018) season really does show who he's going to be from here on out. Plus I'm not even sure how good a defensive CF he is. We tend to make assumptions that slappy/speedy guys make good CF gloves but that's not always the case and Smith has always split his time between CF and a corner spot. Maybe that was due to other personnel on the teams he was on, or maybe it's because he's merely OK there which, if so, isn't really an upgrade from what Nimmo & Conforto can do. Try this out for size. Assuming the O'Dowd version of the trade goes though, a healthy Cespedes, a promoted Alonso, and a Grandal signing. . . -vs. RHP Smith-cf Nimmo-rf Conforto-lf Cano-2b Grandal-c Alonso-1b pitcher McNeil-3b Rosario-ss -vs. LHP Nimmo-rf Conforto-cf Cespedes-lf Cano-2b Frazier-3b Grandal-c Alonso-1b pitcher Rosario-ss With this, you keep Conforto and Nimmo in the lineup everyday. You also keep Cespedes from being overused coming off injury and place him in the best position to succeed. And you get a healthy dose of what Mallex Smith can bring to the table. You also limit McNeil's exposure and keep Frazier involved. It's almost like two different teams in one. You get more of a situational/speed/smallball team against rightys and more pop against leftys.

And he’s local!! http://liducks.com/news/current/?article_id=1890

Frayed Knot wrote: You don't want Cespedes OR Conforto to be platoon players - and certainly not in one with each other!! OK, who do you want riding the bench full time on a team that has Conforto, Cespedes, Mallex, and Nimmo? Not wanting to do this deal at all because of the outfield logjam it would create is a perfectly acceptable answer as well. Also, are you that confident that Cespedes can be even play full time going forward once he gets back? Would you keep a healthy Cespedes on the bench in favor of Conforto against a tough lefty just to avoid a platoon?

Zvon wrote: Nimmo is higher on my MVP list than Cespedes. Of course, not a 100% Yo, but I don't think we'll ever see that again. What about a Conforto/Cespedes platoon at LF? LF-Conforto/Cespedes CF-Smith/Lagares RF-Nimmo This is starting to look like the '69 team.

Let's assume this trade goes through, Alonso makes the team out of spring training, and they do not trade Nimmo for a catcher. I see some platooning in this scenario at the beginning of the year (pre-Cespedes). -vs. RHP Smith-cf Nimmo-rf Conforto-lf Cano-2b Alonso-1b d'Arnaud/Plawecki-c pitcher Rosario-ss McNeil-3b -vs LHP Nimmo-rf Conforto-lf Cano-2b Frazier-3b Alonso-1b Lagares-cf d'Arnaud/Plawecki-c pitcher Rosario-ss Then, when Cespedes comes back, then you trade Nimmo for Gomes? Or, you just sign Grandal, thereby adding another semi-reliable righthanded bat, and deal with the outfield logjam some other way.

Here are my questions. . -After the first two years basically being a financial wash with the money coming from Seattle and Bruce going the other way, are you good with $42 million over three years going to a guy who will be in his age 38, 39, and 40 seasons? Can you move a guy like that to an AL team at that point and take on some of that money (say something in between $12-$22 million)? -Can Cano transition to third after maybe a year? -Are you OK taking a pretty significant hit to a not great as it is farm system in order to get two guys (Diaz and Mallex) who are proven performers in the bigs who each have four seasons of team control left? (That's actually an easy one for me at this team's juncture.) -Would this free up Nimmo as trade bait, perhaps to Cleveland for Yan Gomes? Do you want to do that? Do you move Conforto instead? Or keep both? How would you handle the outfield logjam if you eventually have Conforto/Nimmo/Mallex/healthy Cespedes? -Can you survive the first 2-3 months of the season assuming Cespedes will miss at least that much time and Alonso will need AAA time? Are you too lefthanded? What if Cespedes does not come back? -What do you do with McNeil? If the answer is "third base", then what do you do with Frazier? Is McNeil's punch and judy bat/OBP worth losing Frazier's defense at the hot corner?

This is going to make it harder for BVW to make a splash without trading Syndergaard.

Centerfield wrote: I remember some reporters saying we had fleeced them with the inclusion of Syndergaard and Bucerra. I think it's safe to say at this point that Bucerra did not work out.