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I'm ok with Putz here. As much as I'd like to keep our bullpen fresh, having Santana fresh in September is pretty important too.

="Vic Sage":68r4yy2v]i have a suggestion to fix 3 problems at once. For next season, the should move the fences in 5'-10', from Left-Center to Right-Center (which now goes out to 415 feet!). This would: 1) make the park more neutral, in terms of run production; 2) allow folks in the corner upper decks to actually see the outfield plays in those areas; and 3) provide a corridor for a Mets HOF, like the old monuments area in Yankee stadium, accessible via the CF promenade food court before and after games.[/quote:68r4yy2v] Yup. And give me a uniform, 8 foot wall so Carlos can gloriously rob HR's. I keep thinking of Pratt's home run just over Finley's glove and how we can never have a moment like that here. metsmarathon Apr 29 2009 01:29 PM can dwight howard play centerfield? he might get up near the top of them fences... Fman99 Jun 26 2009 07:27 AM Reviving this thread after my first trip to the new park. 1. The parking situation is abhorrent. I envy those of you who are in easy reach of mass transit options to the park. We had to park across the street from the Citi Field parking lot, even though THOSE lots were not filled out, in a very disorganized lot by the train platform. Took 25 minutes to exit said lot and 15 minutes to find a spot to park in the first place, with virtually no employee guidance on where to go. Also a pointless wait for my change despite paying cash. Whiff. Add a two hour escape across the Grand Central, Triboro and Deegan to that and now you're living my day. 2. The rotunda is really sharp. Didn't linger as it was about 12:55 by the time Fboy and I got in the building. Liked the 'greeters' out front though, nice touch. 3. We didn't try and get food from any of the higher end, funkier choices because of time. Just shot up to the Promenade and had dogs and fries from Nathan's which were fine. Sad that I couldn't get a knish on the top deck, ah well. 4. The view from the Promendae is nice. It's an upper deck, and calling it the "promenade" is a bit farcical to me, but we were 10 or so rows from the top and I thought the view was solid. The two huge screens in center and right/center are a nice touch also for replays, stats, etc. 5. So many plugs, commercials and "contests" between innings and during pitching changes. Just a bombardment of it, really, and not as much time to appreciate the sounds of the crowd. It seemed like way more than what we used to get at Shea. 6. Fboy rocked the kids batting tee/field in the kids' zone. I liked having the gift shop out there too -- we did his batting thing (2 innings lost), and then got him a souvenier baseball and moved on. Skipped the pitching cages and the other crudola out there. Some of those kids sucked at tee ball. Older than Fboy and couldn't hit and ran to third instead of first. What are they pod people? Fboy hit three frozen ropes and loved it. 7. It was super cool to meet MetFairy, MiniKnight and G-Fafif. I couldn't stay with them for long because their seats were in the sun and Fboy handles that like milk on a hotplate. Still, voices to faces is always good. They got the PG version of Fman, due to Fboy being in tow, but it counts. I'll be going back, maybe this year. Edgy DC Jun 26 2009 07:34 AM Yeah, I've meaining to gently tell you that your kid needs some pigment therapy. themetfairy Jun 26 2009 08:21 AM They have Nathan's knishes on the Promenade level (and I'm pretty sure at the Kosher stand on that level also) - When you diet the way I do, you get well acquainted with all of the food choices (especially those which have only 170 calories). It was great meeting you in person - thanks for stopping by Nymr83 Jun 26 2009 10:27 AM the kosher-stand knishes are AMAZING, they are like giant garlic knots filled with potato. ]1. The parking situation is abhorrent. I envy those of you who are in easy reach of mass transit options to the park. We had to park across the street from the Citi Field parking lot, even though THOSE lots were not filled out, in a very disorganized lot by the train platform. Took 25 minutes to exit said lot and 15 minutes to find a spot to park in the first place, with virtually no employee guidance on where to go. Also a pointless wait for my change despite paying cash. Whiff i've been in that lot and once took nearly an hour to get out of there. of course i was with a girl and made good use of the time. metirish Jun 26 2009 10:41 AM ="Nymr83"]the kosher-stand knishes are AMAZING, they are like giant garlic knots filled with potato. ]1. The parking situation is abhorrent. I envy those of you who are in easy reach of mass transit options to the park. We had to park across the street from the Citi Field parking lot, even though THOSE lots were not filled out, in a very disorganized lot by the train platform. Took 25 minutes to exit said lot and 15 minutes to find a spot to park in the first place, with virtually no employee guidance on where to go. Also a pointless wait for my change despite paying cash. Whiff i've been in that lot and once took nearly an hour to get out of there. of course i was with a girl and made good use of the time. You lectured her on the constitution and the need to " fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here" G-Fafif Jun 26 2009 10:45 AM ="metirish"]="Nymr83"]the kosher-stand knishes are AMAZING, they are like giant garlic knots filled with potato. ]1. The parking situation is abhorrent. I envy those of you who are in easy reach of mass transit options to the park. We had to park across the street from the Citi Field parking lot, even though THOSE lots were not filled out, in a very disorganized lot by the train platform. Took 25 minutes to exit said lot and 15 minutes to find a spot to park in the first place, with virtually no employee guidance on where to go. Also a pointless wait for my change despite paying cash. Whiff i've been in that lot and once took nearly an hour to get out of there. of course i was with a girl and made good use of the time. You lectured her on the constitution and the need to " fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here" Sounds more like what to do in the parking lot leaving the Atlantic League All-Star Game. Fman99 Jun 26 2009 10:47 AM ="themetfairy"]They have Nathan's knishes on the Promenade level (and I'm pretty sure at the Kosher stand on that level also) - When you diet the way I do, you get well acquainted with all of the food choices (especially those which have only 170 calories). It was great meeting you in person - thanks for stopping by Now I'm bummed. I just stopped at the first Promenade spot that we saw because I didn't want to miss the start of the game and there were no knishes at that specific one. I did not venture further in search of them. Ah well, I'll have to search that out next time I guess. themetfairy Jun 26 2009 10:58 AM Ya got any food questions next time, let me know. I'm in the zone LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 26 2009 11:11 AM ="themetfairy":kn892bgt]Ya got any food questions next time, let me know. I'm in the zone [/quote:kn892bgt] I'm all about the fat, bad-for-you, mood-changing shit when at the ballpark. So if you need a concessions guide on your OTHER shoulder... themetfairy Jun 26 2009 11:39 AM You're assuming that I haven't tried out Shake Shack, Blue Smoke, etc. Faulty assumption. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 26 2009 12:11 PM @ TMF: Misinterpreted "in the zone." Thoughts on the Shack and the 'cue? (You sounded... uneffusive in earlier posts.) Frankly, unless I'm getting there late, or with someone who's gunshy about the line, I'm on the Double Shack like white on Ellen DeGeneres. Underratedly delicious: Beer-steamed hot dog at Catch of the Day. It's subtly sweet, and even tastier than the Nathan's-- perfect with just a dab of moutarde. Swan Swan H Jun 26 2009 12:33 PM The Double Shack and a black and white shake are bliss. The pulled pork and ribs from Blue Smoke are right there as well. The fries at Shake Shack are fine, and Box Frites fries are awesome, but the best fries I had on our tour came from Catch of the Day. For all I know they're the same as the others, but they were just perfect the day we had them. Can't go wrong with any of them, though, and the dips at Box Frites, especially the bacon, are killer. The only disappointment from any of the new stands was the shrimp po' boy. Too mustard-seedy for my tongue, but lots of folks rave. Monster shrimp done right on a delicious roll, the dressing was just not to my taste. themetfairy Jun 26 2009 12:43 PM Did Shake Shack during the batting practice day in April. The burger was good, but not worth the huge line that you get most days. Really liked the shake - had more of it than I planned on (was sharing with MK). Did Blue Smoke yesterday - shared a pulled pork sandwich with MK. Tasty, but a bit on the fatty side. Box Frite fries are overrated - the big deal with those are the dipping sauces. Nathan's fries are much better (and more available throughout the park). BTW, the garlic fries from the World's Fare Market are too light on the garlic/too heavy on the salt. Didn't try the dog at Catch of the Day. With respect to the chowder and the calamari - good for ballpark food, but not great overall. The shrimp cocktail salad isn't much of a salad - some nice jumbo shrimp, but just a bed of lettuce with it. Shared the taco combo plate yesterday, and found it very tasty. The corn on the cob at the taco place is buttered and spiced - a little odd, but tasty. Next on my hit list is to try the eggplant parm hero at the Italian place on the concourse. Benjamin Grimm Jun 26 2009 12:46 PM Is that Mama's of Corona? (They have a location on the roof of the Rotunda.) When we were there, I had the turkey/mozzarella hero. (I loved being able to order a "hero" instead of a "hoagie" by the way.) themetfairy Jun 26 2009 12:51 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":a6ixasn8]Is that Mama's of Corona? (They have a location on the roof of the Rotunda.) When we were there, I had the turkey/mozzarella hero. (I loved being able to order a "hero" instead of a "hoagie" by the way.)[/quote:a6ixasn8] No - the eggplant parm is at Nonna Delia's. I've done Mama's of Corona a lot for the grilled chicken salad and I tried the antipasto salad once. Those are my go-to meals when I'm hungry and want something light. And the tomatoes and mozzerella from there is REALLY tasty! Mama's is on the Promenade Level food court, and is also available in the World's Fare Market. Sushi is also in the World's Fare Market. I had a taste once, and enjoyed it. Will do it again later in the season. One hint - if you want Carvel ice cream, and the line at the Carvel stand is long, just go to one of the regular concession stands; they have the same ice cream there. BTW, if you're looking for coffee, there's a Dunkin' Donuts stand to the left after you take the stairs/escalator up through the Jackie Robinson Rotunda (there's other coffee throughout the park, but Dunkin' is better). There's also a Subway there (and on the Promenade level food court) if you're looking to count calories with a quick sandwich. soupcan Jun 26 2009 12:59 PM You guys that complain about the Shake Shack line are doing it wrong. Before the game starts the line is much more manageable. 10-15 minutes tops. During a game you could be stranded out there for 2-3 innings. I'm all about the Double Shack with a black & white. metirish Jun 26 2009 01:01 PM I didn't get to Shake Shack when I was there , better planning like soup says is the trick...when you order the ribs do you get a good slab or what? Benjamin Grimm Jun 26 2009 01:04 PM When I was there, the line was pretty darn long about 45 minutes prior to game time. Maybe it was short compared to during the game. I don't know, we didn't head back that way again. G-Fafif Jun 26 2009 01:06 PM My brother-in-law said he waited 45 minutes for Shake Shack last Sunday and was thrilled. He hates baseball. G-Fafif Jun 26 2009 01:07 PM ="metirish":1esm0zgl]I didn't get to Shake Shack when I was there , better planning like soup says is the trick...when you order the ribs do you get a good slab or what?[/quote:1esm0zgl] I witnessed an order being consumed the other night: five big ribs. Does not look unfilling. Swan Swan H Jun 26 2009 01:16 PM My daughter's office just moved across the street from Madison Square Park, home of the original Shake Shack. I am beyond jealous. themetfairy Jun 26 2009 01:29 PM BTW, one nice thing about Citi Field is the ability to find a condiments station throughout the park. I love sauerkraut, and I appreciate being able to take as much as I want for my Nathan's dog (or any other dog you choose). LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 26 2009 01:58 PM ="soupcan"]You guys that complain about the Shake Shack line are doing it wrong. Before the game starts the line is much more manageable. 10-15 minutes tops. During a game you could be stranded out there for 2-3 innings. I'm all about the Double Shack with a black & white. Indeed. Definitely pregame. An hour before gametime, it's a quick 20 (especially if you bring a beer and a companion). When the line spills past the sausage and peppers stand nearby, it's time to have some tacos or ribs. I'm okay with the pork. I dig on the ribs (4-5 bronto-sized dry rubbed beauts) and the sweet-and-tangy wings (usually prefer mine hot-- but these are succulent and not cloyingly sweet). ="themetfairy"]BTW, one nice thing about Citi Field is the ability to find a condiments station throughout the park. I love sauerkraut, and I appreciate being able to take as much as I want for my Nathan's dog (or any other dog you choose). Also, multiple kinds of mustard. And the availability of Mama's in the hoi-palloi food court is the double truth, Ruth. G-Fafif Jun 29 2009 12:12 AM First time with the Blue Smoke spare ribs Sunday night, before the game. Culinary highlight of the season. Obviously the highlight of Sunday night. sharpie Jun 29 2009 07:03 AM My first time at Citifield last night. Went to the Smoke Shack for the pulled pork. Loved it. Great beer at that beer garden place as well. Later, went for another beer at one of the regular beer stands. I notice the guy is pouring two. I note that I only ordered one and he said he misunderstood me. He charged me for one, but gave me two. I like it. The seats, via KC, had their problems. First row of the upper deck which meant you watch home plate through plexiglass and between railings. The "Let's Go Yankees" alternating with the "Yankees Suck" chants were mostly happening elsewhere until the end when the MFY fans began to predominate. From where we sat it sounded like the same people were invoking both chants so that people were yelling "Let's go Yankees Yankees Suck." The worst was the MFY fans at the subway station gloating. Other than that, and the outcome, we enjoyed ourselves. dgwphotography Jun 29 2009 07:25 AM ="G-Fafif":1mhncrh7]Opposing relievers are psyched out by their proximity to the old Home Run Apple.[/quote:1mhncrh7] Standing on the mound, and facing the Mets' lineup is quite the elixir, though... Nymr83 Jun 29 2009 09:22 AM does Blue Smoke have any good fish? themetfairy Jun 29 2009 09:36 AM ="Nymr83":1m4bprs9]does Blue Smoke have any good fish?[/quote:1m4bprs9] I don't think it has fish - it's ribs, pulled pork, etc. For fish you want Catch of the Day (between the World's Fare Market and the Willie Mays Bridge). metirish Jun 29 2009 09:40 AM Does Catch of the day have ribs? Nymr83 Jun 29 2009 09:46 AM ="themetfairy":3u3vk04a]="Nymr83":3u3vk04a]does Blue Smoke have any good fish?[/quote:3u3vk04a] I don't think it has fish - it's ribs, pulled pork, etc. For fish you want Catch of the Day (between the World's Fare Market and the Willie Mays Bridge).[/quote:3u3vk04a] the worlds fair market had some awesome cheesecake. i missed catch of the day i guess John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 29 2009 09:46 AM ="metirish":1ygl4iu9]Does Catch of the day have ribs?[/quote:1ygl4iu9] lol themetfairy Jun 29 2009 11:58 AM ="metirish":30lozeih]Does Catch of the day have ribs?[/quote:30lozeih] If it's a serious question, the answer is no. Calamari, chowder, other fish dishes. But I give a thumbs down to the shrimp cocktail salad - nice shrimp, but not much of a salad (and I tend to rely on entree salads to get through games). metirish Jul 14 2009 07:36 AM A mid-season report from Mark Hermann , not that that means much but there is a bit of news regarding Citi field A tale of two new ballparks BY MARK HERRMANN | mark.herrmann@newsday.com 9:58 PM EDT, July 13, 2009 ] This just proves that all rookies need a while to settle in, even a pair that came in together with a massive buildup and a combined $2.3-billion price tag. All that New York can say to the new Yankee Stadium and Citi Field after a sometimes rocky, sometimes pretty first half-season is what the city always says to a bonus baby: Welcome to the big leagues, kid. The new homes for the Yankees and Mets sure were the talk of the town, as expected. It's just that the clubs who built the stadiums (or, as they prefer, a stadium and a ballpark) never imagined the conversation would be about obstructed views, empty seats, muted tradition and, above all, too many or too few home runs. Everyone in the big leagues has heard the buzz. In his first hour as a Met on Saturday, former Brave Jeff Francoeur said: "You're not going to go out and hit 45 home runs in this park. If you want to do that, you've got to go 10 miles down the road." Nothing like each other Yes, the park built for intimacy is playing like the Grand Canyon and the stadium built for grand stature is playing like a neighborhood slow-pitch softball diamond. Yankee Stadium, next door to the slowly disappearing old Yankee Stadium, has become the Cape Canaveral of ballparks. It's a launching pad for four-base hits and one-liners. It has been called Coors Field East because it appeared to be a challenger to break the Denver stadium's record for homers in a season (303). Citi Field, next door to the vanished Shea Stadium (now a parking lot), has become baseball's Great Plains, a paradigm for the Mets' offensive drought. The first reason cited for acquiring Francoeur was that he is good enough to track down balls in the roomy, quirky outfield. Even for a couple of phenoms, replacing a combined 129 years of history isn't easy. Both clubs (especially the Mets) point out that most fans really like the new parks. And as for the kinks, each side said it is working on them. Back in March, the Yankees reduced the prices of some bleacher seats that didn't have full views. In April, in the face of ridicule over the sight of so many empty, padded premium seats right near the field, they announced a huge markdown and/or rebate, especially on the $2,500 tickets. They'll let it play out A Yankees spokesman said Monday that the club is not commenting on the Stadium now, instead choosing to see how the rest of the season goes. Hal Steinbrenner, the managing general partner, recently did send out e-mails to some customers inviting them to meetings at the Stadium or Rockefeller Center, and "telling us how we are doing and how we can make the 'Yankee Stadium Experience.' " Bloggers have objected to relentless promotions on the public address system, the fact that Monument Park is basically hidden behind the centerfield fence and that the place just doesn't have the electric feel that the building next door had. Visiting players have privately said the new Stadium is not as verbally intimidating as the old. Blue Jays first baseman Kevin Millar, formerly of the Red Sox, said he preferred the original: "I got booed a lot louder. I like to get booed. I don't know if it's all corporate, but they're too nice to me here." Home of the home run The real major story, though, is the long ball. The Stadium's home run binge isn't what it was, but it still is booming. The total of 142 through 42 games is on pace for 274, as opposed to 160 next door last year. In 46 road games, the Yankees and their opponents have hit only 102. At first, the Yankees blamed it on the weather, but a meteorologist disputed that, releasing a study backing the contention of hittrackeronline.com. It attributed the power surge to the lack of curvature in the rightfield wall (to accommodate a vintage-looking auxiliary scoreboard), effectively making the field smaller. Early in the season, A.J. Burnett spoke on behalf of all pitchers when he said, "This ballpark, obviously, is in your head." But the Yankees have won 20 of their past 29 at home, to which reliever Phil Coke said, "Even though, early on, it seemed like this place was going to yield the same amount in home runs as it did [in dollars] to build it, we're going to get the job done." Manager Joe Girardi said last week: "I love coming here; the players love coming here. Even though our ballpark has so much to offer and has so many new things, I think a lot of people have seen a lot of it and I think now the game is the main attraction. I don't know because I'm not in the stands, I'm not in the Great Hall, I'm not in the restaurants, but that's just kind of a feeling I get." Not enough Mets Dave Howard, the Mets' executive vice president for business, said Citi Field has been "extremely well received," with people commenting even on their reception in the parking lot. He did acknowledge early-season criticisms: Some seats have obstructed views and that there is less celebration of Mets history than the Brooklyn Dodgers' legacy. As much as there was a "good riddance" feeling about Shea, there was an uproar Sunday when one of its traditions, the apple, failed to pop out of the centerfield hat for the second of two home runs. "We've heard our fans," he said. So, he said, the Mets received permission from Major League Baseball to show the live feed on video screens the instant the ball is in play, allowing fans to follow action they might not see live. Also, an additional video board will be installed in the rightfield corner after the All-Star break. Howard added that more Mets memories will be reflected with displays in the park this summer, and that there are bigger long-term plans to give the place a Mets atmosphere. Whether they will make it a more hitter-friendly atmosphere by bringing in the fences or lowering the walls is a decision for the offseason. Howard did say that if the Mets are healthy, the park can work to their advantage because of their gap hitters, fly ball-oriented pitchers and mobile centerfielder and rightfielder. Backup centerfielder Angel Pagan said, "I need room to gallop, so this is the right place." Howard said, "I think it gets in other teams' heads, too." The question is, does it get in Mets' heads, especially David Wright's? There is some feeling that he and other Mets have taken their Citi Field swings on the road, where they have hit even fewer home runs than they have at home (24 to 28). "You have to adjust your approach, you have to adjust your philosophy to this ballpark because it's not a launching pad,'' Wright said. "It's not a place where you're going to go out and get a lot of cheap home runs." Gary Sheffield, who had a fondness for Shea ever since his uncle Dwight Gooden pitched there, said: "I love Citi Field. The atmosphere is electric. It's a challenge, but if you hit the ball square, it goes out." The half-season has not been a solid hit or a full whiff for either park. But this week will be big in both spots. Yankee Stadium will import memories from next door with Oldtimers Day on Sunday. Citi Field will strike a chord with concerts by Paul McCartney, who played Shea with the Beatles in 1965, and with Billy Joel, who helped close down Shea last year. Having gotten into heads and under skin, the two rookies, clearly here to stay, are trying to make their way into people's hearts. Frayed Knot Jul 14 2009 07:39 AM ="metirish":2cq4yf7v]Does Catch of the day have ribs?[/quote:2cq4yf7v] I think most fish have ribs, yes. dgwphotography Jul 14 2009 07:57 AM We made the shake shack our first stop after getting off the subway on Sunday... We got a table and walked right up and placed an order with no line at all.... metirish Jul 14 2009 08:02 AM ="Frayed Knot":3n1il63q]="metirish":3n1il63q]Does Catch of the day have ribs?[/quote:3n1il63q] I think most fish have ribs, yes.[/quote:3n1il63q] tis true.......I got our smart assed.... metirish Jul 14 2009 08:02 AM ="dgwphotography":2ccowj6z]We made the shake shack our first stop after getting off the subway on Sunday... We got a table and walked right up and placed an order with no line at all....[/quote:2ccowj6z] not told here is the dgwp was carrying a gun. DocTee Jul 14 2009 08:06 AM Mebbe the Mets should bring this guy aboard: [url:r0m1vf1g]http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/07/14/SPE718LA3T.DTL[/url:r0m1vf1g] dgwphotography Jul 14 2009 08:06 AM ="metirish":37oc76h5]="dgwphotography":37oc76h5]We made the shake shack our first stop after getting off the subway on Sunday... We got a table and walked right up and placed an order with no line at all....[/quote:37oc76h5] not told here is the dgwp was carrying a gun.[/quote:37oc76h5] LOL - I just a pretty big lens... Not my fault if they mistook it for a weapon... The view from the 7... bmfc1 Jul 14 2009 09:38 AM http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-spparks1412966058jul13,0,6093781.story Some changes will be made to CF. What gets me that management had to "hear" from the fans before realizing that we want Mets history to be incorporated into a Mets ballpark. A smarter management would have built a team HOF right away instead of as an afterthought. A smarter management would have kept a panel or two from the Shea OF fence in place (if it didn't impede traffic) as both an historical marker and a meeting place. metsguyinmichigan Jul 14 2009 10:28 AM ="dgwphotography":72k07gfl]="metirish":72k07gfl]="dgwphotography":72k07gfl]We made the shake shack our first stop after getting off the subway on Sunday... We got a table and walked right up and placed an order with no line at all....[/quote:72k07gfl] not told here is the dgwp was carrying a gun.[/quote:72k07gfl] LOL - I just a pretty big lens... Not my fault if they mistook it for a weapon... The view from the 7... [/quote:72k07gfl] Beautiful photo! It really is a nice-looking ballpark. Benjamin Grimm Jul 14 2009 10:59 AM ="metsguyinmichigan":123rtddu] Beautiful photo! [/quote:123rtddu] I agree! ="metsguyinmichigan":123rtddu] It really is a nice-looking ballpark.[/quote:123rtddu] I agree with that, too. I only wish it was closer to Manhattan. metirish Jul 14 2009 11:01 AM Why closer to Manhattan when you live closer to Philly? the image is very beautiful , great capture. Benjamin Grimm Jul 14 2009 11:04 AM I wasn't thinking of my own convenience. I just think the stadium would be better located closer to Manhattan so they'd be able to get more of the after-work crowd. Vic Sage Jul 14 2009 11:56 AM its easy to get there after work. It's a 35 minute ride on the 7 train, or less on the LIRR. The problem is driving during rush hour, but that would be the problem even if you drove to the east side from the west side. G-Fafif Jul 14 2009 12:20 PM Great picture, no surprise, considering the lensman. Park and setting still need to be surrounded by a city block for full effect. Otherwise it still smacks of Arlington Comes to Flushing rather than homage to St. Ebbets. Farmer Ted Jul 15 2009 03:28 PM Took in the game on Sunday. First time to Citi. Had recent trips to PNC and Safeco so I was anxious to do a some comparison shopping. Overall a definite A. I got there early so I was literally the first person to the Shake Shack. Yum. Only an hour before game time and the place was mobbed. So here are my drawbacks: 1. Food court. Serious congestion here before and during the game. Put a destination location at the stadium and everyone flocks to it. I say tear down some of the junk yards across the street, install a foot bridge, and put some more fun stuff over there to ease the food mess. 2. Concourse width not enough. Then again, maybe the concourse is wide enough but you lose 10 feet of space with the cashier ropes that jut out from the food counters. Who thought of this traffic nightmare? 3. Home Run apple. I'll give a pass to the apple not coming up for Tatis' home run. I was turned away trying to get to the OLD apple since there was a private reception on that level. Fuckers. I was impressed with the staff at the game. Tons of staff in an array of colored shirts. Lady behind me got up in between innings and the schmuck behind her spilled beer on her seat. Dude was sloshed and subsequently tossed by security for being "that guy". No fewer than five staff showed up including one supervisor to wash down and scrub around her seat. NEVER saw that at Shea or any other stadium. I had the usher nazi in my section. No ticket, get out. Ninth inning and want to sneak down for a closer look? Tough shit. The place looked great. Still a bit sad about the vacant parking lot next to it. Surprised to see the brackets holding up piping in the stadium were rusting. Yeah, rusting. Speaking of Rust. No homage to Rusty Staub? Boog Powell and Greg Luzinski have their food pits. Until the area around the stadium is cleaned up, Safeco and PNC still get a slight edge for convenience and accessibility. I was happy that the place turned out to be a top flight facility. Ashie62 Jul 15 2009 08:25 PM ="metirish":fl693ser]Why closer to Manhattan when you live closer to Philly? the image is very beautiful , great capture.[/quote:fl693ser] Wish it was closer to Newark...sorry..train goes there dgwphotography Jul 16 2009 11:45 AM ="G-Fafif":19bf1wye]Great picture, no surprise, considering the lensman.[/quote:19bf1wye] This takes me back to the writing in those 1970's yearbooks.... ="G-Fafif":19bf1wye]Park and setting still need to be surrounded by a city block for full effect. Otherwise it still smacks of Arlington Comes to Flushing rather than homage to St. Ebbets.[/quote:19bf1wye] This is an excellent point - I oddly felt more in place when standing line for the the Mr. Met dash by the chop shops... G-Fafif Jul 16 2009 12:50 PM I think CF looks best when viewed from 126th St, though that's not really the ballpark. The admin building looks like a civic institution there, like a school or post office from the 1930s. Fits into a neighborhood even if the neighborhood isn't there. I like the back end of it, supporting the Willie Mays Bridge and the Pepsi Porch, as viewed from the Promenade as well. A bit of an OP@CY warehouse feel. Just a bit.

Come on Cora!

Without getting into a broad discussion on whether it is a good idea to leave a pitcher in or pull a pitcher in general, let's focus on Livan Hernandez's outings this year: Florida (4/11): Livan pitches 6 strong. He gives up a run in the 7th, and leaves a runner on who comes across to score after he is pulled with two outs. Milwaukee (4/17): Livan gives up a run in the fifth, then fails to record an out in the sixth while giving up a 3 run HR. St. Louis (4/23): Livan gives up 6 ER in the 4th and 5th. He does not survive the 5th inning. It's a small sample size, but a case certainly can be made that Livan loses his effectiveness as he tires. I haven't been a big fan of Manuel's bullpen moves this year, but pulling Livan there for Parnell wasn't a big deal for me.

="Edgy DC"]="Centerfield"]Livan has tended to give up runs late in his starts this year...which might have prompted the quick hook. I had no problem with the substitution. My problem was with Sean Green sucking moose cock. You really should. If we've really gone from needing a guy to close out games for a starter, to needing two then three and now four, we've got to realize that (1) odds are increased that one of them won't have it that day, and (2) we're using all of these guys a lot more and in a lot more game game situations. It's Russian Roulette. It's one thing asking a guy to save a game and do it successfully every time. But now we're asking four guys to. FOUR! It's almost guaranteed that one of them will suck MC on a given day, and if you get him out of there in time (Jerry certainly didn't), well then you need a fifth motherfucker to get the precious save. It's insane, I tells ya. I don't think what you're saying is true. The more guys you have to bring in, the more likely it is that one of them will give up runs. But the longer you leave any one pitcher in, the more likely it will be that that particular pitcher gives up runs. By your argument, you are more likely to give up runs by using Putz for the 8th and Rodriguez for the ninth, than you are by using Rodriguez for the 8th and 9th, since you're doubling your chances that one of them will be off. I disagree. Any increase (or at least some portion of it or more) is offset by the fact that Rodriguez will be asked to get twice the number of outs. Now, to the 6th inning, regardless of what you do over innings 7, 8 and 9, your objective there is to make it less likely for the opposition to score. If you look at Livan's starts this year, his OPS against increases drastically as his pitch count increases. The runs he gives up coincides with this trend. In the Milwaukee game, Manuel was criticized for leaving him in too long, allowing Milwaukee to take the lead on a 3 run HR. And so, I have no problem with Jerry thinking that going to his bullpen in that situation provided his best chance to win. Scenario 1 (Edgy's) 6: Tired Livan Hernandez 7: Parnell or Green 8: Putz 9: Rodriguez Scenario 2 (Manuel's intended) 6: Livan subbed by Parnell mid-inning 7: Green 8: Putz 9: Rodriguez I don't see that one is a clear winner over the other.

I've watched it twice now, and I think Frayed Knot is right. I don't think Matt Vasgersian is trying to be funny, or attempting to make a racial joke. I think he honestly thought that the EMT was Donovan McNabb. I think when they re-played it, Vasgersian realized it wasn't him, and that it looked nothing like him. And it took him a minute to realize how dumb such a notion would be. I think the reaction from the other guys in studio could be summed up as "Why would you interrupt such a somber moment with such an absurd and stupid idea?"

Livan has tended to give up runs late in his starts this year...which might have prompted the quick hook. I had no problem with the substitution. My problem was with Sean Green sucking moose cock. I'm disappointed in this team. At this point in the season (and judging from last season) this team has no sack. They clearly have heart because they care, they just can't turn that into actual production. This team just can't fight back from being down, and will give up leads after being up. Meanwhile in Philly, there is no lead that is safe against that team. I hate to say it, but we are their bitches.

bmfc1 wrote: I invite Edgy to remake the batting orders in that cool format thing he does. Reyes, ss Cora, 2b Beltran, cf Sheffield, lf Wright, 3b Church, rf Tatis, 1b Santos, c Hernandez, rhp I don't like how suddenly Jerry Manuel is turning into Willie Randolph. Apparently Miguel Cairo was unavailable to bat 2nd tonight.

SUCKING STOPS NOW

Gamecast says all four balls to Ryan Church were in the strike zone.

I'm with Leiter. I hate Pittsburgh.

I used to think it was a nice piece of fiction penned by Big Ralph, but over the years I've become less convinced.

By "you", he might have been referring specifically to me. Since I have stated before that I would love to get to where Grimm is in dealing with losses. The problem is I have been trying since 2006 and making very little progress. They key, of course, is that I don't want to feel any less good about wins. Which means this is probably a waste of time. The guys are right, losses in April don't really get to me that much, and this was just a DPMJFL, but Sunday losses really do suck more than others for the reasons mentioned above. If you're going to win two out of three in a weekend series, win Friday night, lose Saturday night, then win on Sunday afternoon.

I hate the fact that we can't win on Sunday. The Mets are 0-2 on Sundays this year. They also lost on every Sunday in September of 08. (Once they split a doubleheader, but they still lost.) The last time the Mets won on Sunday (without also losing) was August 31, 2008, (beat the Marlins 6-2). Losing on Sunday means having to make an effort to overcome grumpiness during my time with my kids. Losing on Sunday means putting a damper on those precious few hours that remain of the weekend. Since Sunday games are usually played in the afternoon, that means you have to dwell on it until Monday night at the earliest. If an off-days follows, and oftentimes they do, you're sometimes stuck until Tuesday night...which means you end up grumbling for 846 hours until the next pitch is thrown (math might be off). For me, personally, I often see the in-laws Sunday night. And the last thing I need is to be put into a bad mood before seeing them. So I say this year, we pass a new rule. Win on Sundays. From now on. Besides, the last game of the season is played on a Sunday.

That screen is awesome. I want one in my living room.

="HahnSolo":3e4tnjsm]Those busts at Shea fit into a display that was smaller than your average walk-in closet.[/quote:3e4tnjsm] Maybe that's the problem. I like bigger busts. Benjamin Grimm Apr 16 2009 01:43 PM Would it make more sense for a statue of Connie Mack to be in Philadelphia or Oakland? Should Walter Johnson be honored in Washington, or in Minneapolis? My votes would go to Philadelphia and Washington. So I think it's more appropriate to honor Jackie Robinson in New York than in Los Angeles. But I think the big rotunda at the Mets ballpark is a bit much. Were it up to me, Citi Field would not look like Ebbets Field. It wouldn't be retro at all. And there would be a nice big memorial to Jackie Robinson in Brooklyn somewhere. Maybe somewhere near the anchorage of the Brooklyn Bridge, so that people could walk there from Manhattan. Edgy DC Apr 16 2009 01:48 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 16 2009 04:33 PM What should be noted as part of the rotunda display is that --- as good as he was at baseball, football, and track --- his best sport might have been underwear basketball. Thinking back to my days in Joe Ellner's basement, that might have been my best sport also. Swan Swan H Apr 16 2009 01:52 PM Michael Jordan's Hanes ads are clearly a tribute to Jackie Robinson's underwear basketball career. Frayed Knot Apr 16 2009 01:53 PM ="Centerfield"]Maybe that's the problem. I like bigger busts. ... and he can not lie. ]Thinking back to my days in Joe Ellner's basement, [underwear basketball] might have been my best sport also. TMI Fman99 Apr 16 2009 04:04 PM Who farted? Fman99 Apr 16 2009 04:06 PM ="G-Fafif":1e8206y9]="metsguyinmichigan":1e8206y9]This might get me in a little trouble, and maybe I'm the only one. But to be totally honest, I didn't like the busts. The Mets have a chance here to start from scratch, and if they come up with something like Cleveland's Heritage Park, then I'm OK with that. [...] Ideally, they've have something like the Reds have in Cincy, which is just amazing. But I don't think any other team has done that well.[/quote:1e8206y9] I never thought the busts were optimal, but if you've got 'em, flaunt 'em. I love that, as you pointed out, Cleon the elder is portrayed whereas all the other Famers are in their prime. I like trying to figure out why; I don't necessarily need to know. Add the Baltimore museum, opened a few years ago next to Camden Yards, as something to be studied by the Mets and attended by anybody in the neighborhood.[/quote:1e8206y9] I am a big fan of busts. HahnSolo Apr 17 2009 06:56 AM After my first trip to Citi and the rotunda, my feelings have somewhat changed. I was never a big fan of the entire rotunda being dedicated to Jackie. however, having seen it up close, it is done in a quite classy way, and it is completely un-intrusive. You are not clubbed over the head with Jackie, Jackie, Jackie. It's there, yes, and it is prominent, but you can just as easily avoid it. seawolf17 Apr 17 2009 08:42 AM I love fman. He's added a dynamic to the Pool that can't be quantified. He's our own Cap'n Intangibles. themetfairy Apr 17 2009 09:17 AM ="seawolf17":38irfm09]I love fman. He's added a dynamic to the Pool that can't be quantified. He's our own Cap'n Intangibles.[/quote:38irfm09] But way less slimy than the MFY's version. seawolf17 Apr 17 2009 11:46 AM Have you met him? Don't count out his sliminess. We did a lot of weird things in the basement of the Blake B Building. PiggiesTomatoes Apr 17 2009 04:53 PM ="seawolf17"]We did a lot of weird things in the basement of the Blake B Building. A Geneseo guy? cooby Apr 17 2009 09:48 PM Funny, all of it. Kong76 Apr 17 2009 09:52 PM FK: OK who (besides me) read that as thongs so large that they need the blue rope ... ? <<< I thought it was a typo too. G-Fafif Apr 17 2009 10:10 PM It never stops amusing me that Fman proclaims his love of big busts and his avatar is of that little angel. MFS62 Apr 18 2009 06:56 AM ="G-Fafif":3jk8wpwh]It never stops amusing me that Fman proclaims his love of big busts and his avatar is of that little angel.[/quote:3jk8wpwh] Don't start getting all sweet on us when this thread was going in an entirely different direction. Later

Jackie Robinson played for the Brooklyn Dodgers. They are the only team for which a tribute to Jackie would be a perfect fit. Unfortunately, that team doesn't exist anymore. It sucks, but it's reality. Sometimes there are no good answers. The Los Angeles Dodgers and the New York Mets are probably the best options left. Arguments can be given for each team, but for every argument, there is a valid argument against. If I had to choose one of the two, I'd probably say the Dodgers are more appropriate. But I don't feel strongly one way or the other. Which brings us to the rotunda. Does it make sense to have a Jackie Robinson tribute be the signature of the Mets new home stadium? And the answer, in my opinion, is no. Whether or not the Dodgers are a more appropriate team, a featuring a Brooklyn Dodger as the centerpiece of the new home of the New York Mets is, at best, awkward.

I'll help. But I'll probably be drinking and we'll end up with wavy lines.

It was a suckass game. We got to be happy for about ten minutes before Church dropped that ball and Feliciano balked him in. Too many times this season, the offense has put up runs only to give them back in the next half-inning. It wasn't a great crowd either. I'm not sure if the sound just doesn't resonate here at Citi, but I feel like it never got as loud as Shea. And there were certainly lots of people there last night that weren't Mets fans. People weren't standing with two outs, two strikes, the chants never really got going, etc. I thought it was shameful how lackluster the ovation was for Seaver and Piazza. That being said, the stadium is beautiful. Absolutely gorgeous. Lots of legroom in the seats, great views, great food, great atmosphere. During the whole time I kept thinking I was at someone else's park and found myself subconsiously thinking the Mets were the road team. They fixed that out-of-town scoreboard thing Gwreck mentioned so there is a little red dot indicating the team that is batting. Plus, it was hard to see from our seats, but when the seating goes all the way around, I guess that is unavoidable. My only complaint about the ballpark is the outfield wall. I hate it. The weird configuration. The recessed wall in right, the high wall in left, the stupid high wall in center to protect the apple. Nobody is ever going to clear that. Plus they have one of those lines so you'll need replay to determine whether it was a HR or not. Why not just put a regular fence out there so that everything that's over it is a HR, and everything that bounces back is in play. Plus the color scheme is weird. Orange and black on the outfield wall makes me feel like i'm in San Francisco. If the wall is black, put the numbers in blue. Or white. The new apple looks great. And the bridge, which I thought was a stupid idea, actually looks really cool. Lazy Mary made the trip over from Shea, which was great. Unfortunately, so did Sweet Caroline in the 8th inning, which I think sucks. Beer guys have to ID everyone, each time. So the old guy sitting in front of me had to pull out his license like seven times. "Do you think I'm getting younger as the night goes on?" Some asshole tried to start a "Yankees Suck" chant on the way out but was shouted down by everyone else. That's nice to see. The same asshole then saw a bunch of Marines and tried to start an "Iraqis Suck" chant. Which I was disappointed to see a few Marines joined. If Iraqis suck, why are they risking their lives to help them? I would hope Marines would be bright enough to correct the man and say "Insurgents Suck" or something to that effect. The sausages are good.

="SteveJRogers":3k5gyx3b]="TransMonk":3k5gyx3b] Someone who respects what any of these blowhards (Francesa, O'Reilly, Olbermann) say as an authority on anything other than entertainment and shock value needs to re-evaluate their views on reality.[/quote:3k5gyx3b] O'Reilly is more of a reporter than Francesa (actually he has been getting better since loosing the Dog) and Olbermann ever were. Maybe you should watch instead of getting your info from haters on message boards and whatnot.[/quote:3k5gyx3b] Yes, that is correct. Stevie Jeets just told someone to spend less time on message boards. metsfanbook Apr 13 2009 07:17 PM For years I've been thinking that all I have to do is not listen to Francesa. And for years I've listened to Francesa because when I'm driving home from work, I would like to be entertained by listening to something that has something to do with baseball. For years I've despised Francesa but I was entertained because the Mike and the Mad Dog thing could be diverting, if not illuminating. Now that Francesa sits there alone in profoundly boring isolation, I am out of patience and this has led me to wonder if it was possible for WFAN to figure out that there would be a market for a thoughtful, fair, partisan pro-Mets radio host in the afternoon, somebody in the mold of Gary Cohen or Howie Rose. Unfair partisan programming can be fun when it's done with flair, style, and intelligence, and when you essentially agree with the host, which is why I'm a fan of Keith Olbermann, even though I acknowledge that he's an entertainer and not a journalist. I've listened to O'Reilly a few times and I think that he could actually learn some things from Francesa when it comes to manipulating difficult concepts, collecting and evaluating evidence, and constructing persuasive arguments. Still, fair, analytical partisan programming is, to me, even more entertaining than partisan noise. Isn't there somebody out there they could hire who could give us on talk radio something like what we get from the Mets broadcasters? Dana Brand Edgy DC Apr 13 2009 07:45 PM Welcome back, professor. metirish Apr 13 2009 08:38 PM I would urge you to call Francesa Dana but he would only hang up on you so don't. metsfanbook Apr 13 2009 09:14 PM I fantasize about calling Francesa and saying that I'm a long-time listener but not a fan. Hell, I have been listening to him ever since he replaced Pete Franklin twenty years ago. If I'm not a fan, how do I explain this? Like Greg says, WFAN is like Lojack. Benjamin Grimm Apr 14 2009 06:25 AM I quit WFAN four years ago, and never looked back. There's so much better stuff on the radio. For your own individual sanity, I urge you to stop listening. Edgy DC Apr 14 2009 07:11 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 14 2009 07:57 AM That's the thing. After a certain amount of time away, if you stumble back in, your thinking is, "How did I ever tolerate this insanity/" It's like coming back home to a fucked up family after a time away. You acknowledge and tolerate, and may even laugh in a detached way at some of their fucked-up antics, but you know you can never allow that to be part of your life again, and you can actually feel the pain leaving your body as you decompress afterwards. metsguyinmichigan Apr 14 2009 07:51 AM That's a neat blog, professor. I'll check back often and I'm looking forward to the book.

I'm having this whole thread nuked. I bought exclusive posting rights on the CPF during 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. on Fridays. And I'm charging each of you for infringing on my exclusive. Certified checks or money orders please.

Great job by Lupica. I'd email him but I'm too lazy to look up his address.

For what it's worth, at some point we're going to have to get our collective heads out of our ass with respect to these DUI's. Guys like A-Rod get butchered for steroids, but assholes like Joba who do something this dangerous get swept to the side as minor stories. Joba got a $400 fine and probation. This asshole who killed Adenhart already had a DUI on his record. Every other day you hear about some DUI. Someone just got run down by a drunk NFL guy.

First loss of the season is always the toughest. I'm glad it came after two wins though. All I ever ask is that the first loss not be before an off-day.

Not exactly Jerry's best inning here...over-emphasizing the lefty-righty matchups and using two pinch hitters who are not as good at the plate as the guys they replaced. On Edit: Then letting Alex Cora hit.