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Oh come on. It's not hyperbole. If I threw in 3 irrelevant points and you called it "everything" that would be hyperbole. At best, at best, I threw in one criticism that, if taken literally, could be justified. Your point was that I was throwing shit against the wall to make my point, and you know well that such is not the case. I'll stop the paraphrasing. But take a step back. This argument is not any more ridiculous than that inane exchange I have there. I don't get your point about "idiot, stupid etc." Are you objecting to me calling Omar these things? Since when is that considered objectionable here? If this is a board where we can't call the general manager a dumbass, this place is way to strict for me then.
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And yes, I meant to insult you. Because I am frustrated. When someone criticizes me and I demonstrate that criticism to be unwarranted, I expect you to address it, acknowledge it, not to turn tail and criticize some other inane point. I don't know how else to make you understand that. Perhaps a Cliff's Notes version of this thread will help: CF: Molina sucks Edgy DC: Your argument sucks. CF: What are you talking about? My argument is great. Edgy DC: Look how much CF loves to argue about arguing!
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This is obviously not about Bengie Molina. When you said I was throwing everything into the mix, you made this about my argument, not about Molina. Go ahead and disagree with me about Molina, I don't care. But don't accuse me of throwing irrelevant shit against the wall unless you're ready to back up such a statement. And when I refute you by demonstrating my argument was supported by true and relevant facts, do me the courtesy of addressing that, rather than focusing on yet another ancillary, throw-away point.
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It's unbelievable. Do you really think that the point of that post is your sanity?
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Of course you can bring it up. But when you say: "You're throwing everything at this, regardless of the relevance. Almost every big league catcher, for instance, is slower than virtually every big league secondbaseman." Your implication is that my point is not valid, that I know it's not valid, and that I'm supporting it with irrelevant facts. If you know that the point you brought up is ancillary, then your criticism of my argument style is completely unwarranted.
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Then why bring it up? Fuck, indeed.
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Sorry. Avi.
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There continues to be buzz that the Mets are going to make a 1 or 2 year offer to Benjie Molina. I have never been in the "Omar is an Idiot" camp, but if he offers that fatass significant money (when we are supposedly strapped) I will have to give it some serious thought. His OPS is .727, which means he is older, slower, and worse than Luis Castillo, the guy who's contract we are actively trying to shed.
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Most Memorable Mets Games of the Noughties
Centerfield replied to metirish's topic in New York Mets Talk
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2. Self-promoters. "I never liked people who talked about themselves all the time, gloat," he says. "If you're accomplished and have done things, people will talk about it for you. I don't think you have to point it out. I'm not judging anybody. That's just the way I am." Jeter went on to cite to how certain athletes go as far as to launch their own cologne, their own sneaker, their own fitness centers. "That's not me. I will do anything to win. Regardless of the game. I once sold a testicle to beat the Royals in May."
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Wagner was clear that he did not want to be offered arbitration because he knew it would hurt his value. In saying so, he was making it clear that he had no plans to accept arbitration. I realize offering it to him is a risk, because he may still turn around and accept it. And if that was the downside, having a reasonably priced (given his injury) closer signed for one year wouldn't have been the worst thing. If nothing else, we could turn him around and trade him to another club. We do know that he wouldn't have accepted, since Boston offered it, Wagner walked, and now the Sox get the picks the Mets would have gotten.
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I wasn't upset at the time of the trade. I was upset when I found out who the players were. If memory serves me correct, the Red Sox waived Carter at some point. I think it was pretty obvious Billy was not going to accept arbitration. He said on the record many times he wanted to close. More importantly, when you campaign that heavily not to be offered arbitration, it's a pretty clear signal you are not going to accept it. I would have taken the picks. High draft picks instantly have value and unless they step off the bus and blow out their knee, you have a window to trade them for value.
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I'm not trying to be argumentative here. I was simply asking you to clarify if your default point is that of innocence or that of guilt.
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The reason I ask what you do with the ballplayer where there is no evidence presented, one way or the other, is because it will illustrate what presumption you are working from. Innocent until proven guilty, or guilty until proven innocent. You cannot avoid subscribing to one of those two theories.
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What do you do with players where the evidence is inconclusive? Or where there is no evidence one way or the other?
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The way I understood you (based upon the first post in this thread) was that you wanted to draw broad assumptions from his actions before Congress and conclude he used steroids. You seemed to intimate that "innocent until proven guilty" was a standard Hall of Fame voters need not adhere by. My point, this year and years before, was that if the Hall is going to have any credibility, you must have some sort of established standards. The only way I know to do that is to presume innocent until proven guilty. The only way you could go "guilty until proven innocent" is if 1. All players were put through the same, uniformly-applied background checks for performance enhancing drugs. 2. No player were eligible for the Hall until they had met some minimum standard of innocence Otherwise, as Number 6 says, the Hall becomes more and more arbitrary and meaningless.
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nothing to see here.
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Also, if you are going to have a cream-colored retro jersey, you better have cream-colored retro pants. Ones that stop just below the knee showing your glorious blue stirrups. All blue hat. No orange dot. I'm with FMan. Away jerseys should say New York. Unis in my order of preference: Home White Away Gray Home Black Away Black (with NY on the front) Pinstripe Home Pinstripe Home Retro Racing Stripes Mercury Mets On Edit: And to be clear, since there is a lot of negativity in this thread, I really like the home whites and away grays. In fact, I wouldn't change a thing about them. To me, they are the best two jerseys in baseball.
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Like I've mentioned before, I don't like the pinstripe jersey, and I really won't like it now that it's cream-colored. Retro uniforms are fun as a special event, but I don't see the point in wearing them regularly. But I do agree that if you are going to do a retro-jersey, make it look like the actual jersey. The drop shadow there is pretty dumb. And I know no one here thinks so, but the black uniforms are popular. They remain one of the best-sellers, which is why they are still around. I've said before, I don't mind them. I don't mind the drop-shadow either.
