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As far as predictions, I think TC will be back for the reasons stated above. Everyone thought Terry would be a transition guy until the team is competitive again. I think they realize the team is not there yet. So, back comes Terry.

Terry Collins is my third favorite manager since I've been watching the Mets (behind Bobby, then Davey). So chances are whoever they bring in would likely not be as good. So I'm fine with bringing back Terry. Otherwise, let's get Jim Leyland.

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What would New Era do? Sue? Sure, they'd win, but imagine the brutal backlash they'd take in the media. What if MLB fined the Mets? If I were Fred I'd make a show of writing the check and state "I hope MLB will donate this to 9/11 charities." Contracts may be what they are. If the Mets wore those hats, there is nothing anyone could do about it. And eventually no one would give it a second thought.

Fuck the Mets for not wearing the city agency hats anyway. Speaking to JCL's post in the FAN thread, there are so many things the Wilpons fucked up, but this city agency hat thing is the biggest fuckup of all. A real tradition was created. Something we Mets fans actually felt proud about, and they lacked the balls to stand up for it. Fuck the Wilpons. Fuck the manager too, for not understanding the history and insisting his players wear these hats. And fuck the players for not picking up on what Todd Zeile said and wearing the hats anyway.

He sucks now. Hopefully he won't later. Nice throw last night.

They've gone in different directions, but Yanni used to look like 80's era Keith wearing a wig.

themetfairy wrote: Can I get a fist bump here? metfairy, did you take this picture? This is one of my favorite photos ever.

I think he could be much worse. So I'm cool with Terry coming back.

Any video out there of his swing? I'd almost be ok letting him learn at the big league level just to not have to watch another ugly Ike Davis front-foot flail.

Are Preston and Mookie eligible?

But these tears don't heal right? I feel like not getting the surgery would be a time bomb ticking away. But I don't have an MD so what do I know. If given the choice, I'd much rather have him miss 2014 than 2015.

Hmm. We just lost three pitchers in the span of a few weeks. We need a guy who can eat up innings and pitch deep into games. I know, get me Matsuzaka!

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I think there was a big difference between '86 and '85. The 1985 team was a legitimate contender. There are many teams like this in a given year. The 1986 team was the favorite to win it all. There is only ever one favorite in a given year, and in most years, there is no clear cut favorite. Some win it all (like the '86 Mets). Some fall short (2001 Mariners) in the post-season. But they shred the competition during the regular season. The '86 team had it's share of bad luck. (Gooden came down to Earth, Foster flamed out) Juggernauts like that steamroll through anyway undaunted. I was hoping to have a contender in 2014, a favorite in 2015. I agree with you that the Mets don't need a watchdog or they spend foolishly. I can't see Alderson doing that. But I agree with his point that the Harvey injury doesn't derail the Mets plans to build a perennial winner.

Edgy MD wrote: Centerfield wrote: I can't imagine they move him now when there is even less of a market for him. It happens all the time. True, let me rephrase. It would be incredibly frustrating if the Mets ended up getting less for him in exchange for a month of service in a lost season.

Edgy MD wrote: 1985 was, by any measure, marvelous. They won 98 smashing games which is probably enough to get you a division more than half the time, and if not for one of any number of simplish breaks --- Strawberry's thumb, Sisk's bone chips, Davy Johnson vetoing Frank Cashen's deal to bring Seaver back, Chapman slumping so precipitously from the previous season it was almost comic, incredibly boneheaded plays from Larry Bowa who you thought you could at least count on to keep his head in the game --- would have gone over the top. You have a chance for a 1985, you don't ask to be dealt out. You take it and hope that you can be smart enough to stay one step ahead of that one break. It was just a great summer of baseball wire to wire and if you wanted to give me those same cards to play with, I'd sign up every time. It�s funny. Reading through the responses in this thread, I think I�m simultaneously being accused of being too optimistic and too pessimistic. I�ll try to clarify. Edgy, I think you're addressing the above post to me. I would never ask to be dealt out. 1985 was a great year. It was a big step forward in developing a championship team. But it was ultimately, a year where they needed some breaks, didn't get them, and fell short. My point was that next year, 2014, was going to be 1985 at best. (Some think it was a far cry to even think it would be that good, but opinions will vary.) Now that Harvey is injured, that changes the game. Assuming you thought that 2014 could be 1985 (which I was hoping for), we�ve just lost Gooden from the �85 squad. How much does that change the �85 season? A lot I say. Do you give up on that season? No. But you go in with the understanding that you need a hell of a lot of breaks to make up losing your top pitcher. My point is that we may have lost Gooden from the �85 squad, but we can still have him at full strength for �86, which is what I�m hoping 2015 will be. So, in the grand scheme of things, 2014 may not be as fun as we had hoped, but hopefully our plan toward building a championship team can still come to fruition. So in summary, I don�t think it was far-fetched to think next year could be a 1985 type year prior to Harvey getting hurt. Maybe not 98 wins, but progressing to a team that is a legitimate championship contender and one that is on the verge of getting even better. Now that Harvey is hurt, I think we have to be realistic about our chances next year. We certainly don�t punt on the season, but losing Harvey is a terrible blow for next year. Still, I think we have reason to be optimistic, because we can have him ready for 2015, when this team will light the world on fire.

I can't imagine they move him now when there is even less of a market for him. The mistake was not moving him a month ago.

I've thought about this, and Bowden is absolutely right. Next year was going to be, at best, 1985. Let Matt get the surgery, not rush back, and be at full strength for 2015. It is much better than finding out about this in spring training or April of next year, when it would have compromised his 2015 season. 2015 is when we are going to be ready anyway. Next year will be the year we get back into contention, take the next step forward, but we're not going to win it all next year. Next year is the year we find out about Lagares, D'Arnaud, Wilmer Flores and Jennry Mejia. Next year we have to make a final call on Davis, Duda and Murphy. Next year Wheeler will win 20 games. Syndergaard and Montero will get called up, get knocked around a bit, then figure it out toward the end of the season. Next year is the year people are going to say "Oh my god, the Mets have so much pitching. Can you believe what they'll be like next year when they get Harvey back?" The only downside is that we'll burn another year of Sugarpants' prime, but it should be a fun year anyway, even if they fall a bit short at the end. Then in the winter of 2014, the Mets will have so much money they will be able to spend at will (having not wasted bundles of money on Shin Soo Choo and Jacoby Ellsbury). They'll know who's going to work, who won't, use that money to fill in the holes. Then in 2015, we'll find out that Harvey is completely recovered, and now throws 115 with his new elbow. The new look Mets will make the National League their bitches. At the trading deadline, every other team in baseball will sell because they don't want to face the Mets in the playoffs. They'll institute a mercy rule and call the regular season in August. In September, they'll ask for volunteers to face the Mets in the post-season, but because no one wants to, they'll be forced to pull names from a hat. The Mets will take the field waiting for their opponents to show up, with Harvey pacing on the mound glaring at his opponent like the way Darth Maul glared at Obi Wan after killing Qui Gon Jin. It will be the shortest post-season ever. Series will last a game or two, after which the other team will withdraw sending a note that says "That's enough. We give up." One week after Labor Day, we'll all skip work to attend the ticker tape parade.

Aren't ligaments the type of things that don't fix themselves? I would think he has to have the surgery at some point or another. I would want him to have it sooner rather than later.

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Have it now. Be ready for the stretch drive in September next year.

That's good to hear. Where did you hear that MFS? I checked google news and didn't see any word of him getting checked out.

If this were true, wouldn't giving up other players be, you know, helping an investigation?

How much money do they expect Ike to make in arbitration? Isn't it supposed to be based on how good you are? We should make the arbitrator sit through some of his May at-bats. I have no issue with bringing him back (so long as there are options, such as Duda/Satin/Flores). I agree though that we can't count on him to be a middle of the lineup threat any longer.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: At this point, I'm thinking that handing the 2014 first base job to Ike Davis, in the hope that he'll be good, is a bigger risk than letting him go elsewhere. 2013 was supposed to be his rebound year from 2012. He's had two consecutive lengthy and horrendous starts. If he eventually gets his act together somewhere else, then [crossout]good for[/crossout] fuck him. You have a typo in your post. I corrected it.