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Apparently Albert Pujols ducked out of the game, Sammy Sosa-style, and wasn't even available to use a PH if they wanted to.* Asshole. *Source: WFAN.

No excuse for keeping Pujols on the bench. Aaron Rowand? C'mon.

="G-Fafif"]I gave Beltran my first "6" of the year. Since I refuse to slice and dice any thinner than a half-point, I realized that would leave a lot of deserving Mets dry and I felt a little bad about that (especially considering the bonuses the players get based on our support). But dang it, I reasoned, if making the play of the year (of several years) in the fourteenth inning with everything on the line AND driving in the winning run isn't overwhelming Player of the Game stuff, then what is? But he can be player of the game without giving him 6 points, can't he? Didn't Pedro Feliciano get it done in the 9th with everything on the line, too? And Joe Smith in the 12th? If they don't get it done there, Beltran doesn't even have a chance. P.S. Before the 14th, Carlos didn't exactly have a great game, either. He's failed to get it done in the 6th, 8th, 11th, and 13th. ]Spreading the credit around because it takes a village to win an epic ballgame is a valid impulse. But I have the feeling if we had been running this exercise for the Giants on October 3, 1951, we'd have given Bobby Thomson no more than 2.5 points for his world-heard shot because how can you overlook Sal Maglie and Whitey Lockman and we have to give a point to Larry Jansen for holding the Dodgers in the ninth. I don't think a playoff for the pennant is comparable to an out-of-division game in early July.

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Check out the FanFest when it comes to New York in a couple years. It's a lot of fun. Next year, actually. I expect that it'll be at the Javits Center.

metirish wrote: Very varied voting for the 17 inning game,specifically for Beltran. No kidding. I think the problem is that in the extra-inning games, everybody's voting philosophy seems to either be tested or ignored. There certainly are some head scratchers. A game in which the bullpen tosses 10 innings of scoreless relief -- gets a total of one-half schaefer point awarded?

I voted for choice #1 (as the closest description, rather than it being accurate). I have always enjoyed the all-star game and continue to do so. I like the spectacle; I like that a player from every team is there (it certainly always gave me pleasure to root for the guy from "my team"); I like the ceremony and fanfare. Buck and McCarver are horrible, as is Berman, but I've had lots of practice on how to tune them out while still enjoying things. The Derby has probably become less fun over the past few years as it's moved from novelty to spectacle, but I still enjoy it. The game itself still holds a certain mythical attraction for me. How many hall-of-famers are playing in the same game? When the best closer and the best hitter face, what's going to happen? The homefield advantage thing is stupid, but I certainly remember how much I cared about the NL winning last year, as I thought it would be important. I've always loved the debates about who deserves to go and who doesn't. For reasons I can't entirely fathom, the All-Star game gets a lot of flak. It is an exhibition, after all.

Beltran 1.5 Sele 1 Schoeneweis 1 Newhan .75

Current scheme = perfect!

I think we're getting to the point of a split here. I agree with Edgy on the "not in a condition to play." I wonder if there's some way they can convince Valentin to just get the surgery now on the knee and start the rehab already so that he can be in good shape for the start of the season in '08. I'd have no problem with Easley and Gotay covering 2nd base (whether straight platoon or otherwise). We would need somebody else off the bench (unless keeping Alomar around is the option).

Less Valentin is also a (potentially) wise business move. His '08 option becomes guaranteed if he hits 400 PAs. (He's currently at 162).

Edgy DC wrote: Edgy to forum: I've spotted some heart. We are going to have to pick up the heart pace a little if we would like to win this game.

Reyes stealing with 5 runs down? He's now tied with HoJo for 2nd all time on the Mets steals list.

Edgy DC wrote: But show some heart and fight back a bit. A kaboom for Beltran after Newhan's second hit seems like a step in the right direction.

Kid Carsey wrote: I think Williams is gonna sac-lamb one for the team. Don't think he can -- coming back off injury, probably has a pitch count. He's up to about 100 now.

Damnit, get Williams the hell out of there.

Johnny Dickshot wrote: They also mention that Feliciano has left town early for a family-related thingy. Don't worry, Schoeneweis didn't throw all that much yesterday. Maine and Pelfrey are also available out of the 'pen.

As per Howie and Tom on the WFAN broadcast, El Duque wasn't available for the game last night. Would've been Castro pitching if they ran out of pitchers.

Ugliness. 1st and 3rd, no outs and we can't get a single run home.

bmfc1 wrote: Ledee optioned. Would indicate that another OF (Milledge) will be with the team when after the ASB.

Beltran 1.25 Delgado 1.25 Wright 1.25 Mota 1.25 Sele 1.25 Glavine 1 Smith 1 Heilman .5 Wagner .5 Gotay .5 Feliciano .25

Box Score

Mota .5 Heilman .5

="metsmarathon"]i'm so not into mcnuggets... Anyone else notice this commercial was filmed at the McDonald's across the street (N. Clark) from Wrigley Field?

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Who doesn't love Gotay at this point? Spawn of the Ty Wigginton Trade Tree: Gotay El Duque Maine Is that exactly fair, given that there was also a substantial re-signing involved for the latter two?

DocTee wrote: Sez MLB.com: "Because Fuentes was elected via the player ballot, Webb was named as his replacement because he drew the highest amount of player ballot votes (93) of any National League pitcher who was not already on the NL All-Star roster" Same thing happened with Oswalt replacing Smoltz. Just goes to show that for all the bluster about the fans not voting properly, the players also can screw up.