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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: In the right thread, probably. Congrats to the Phillies, I say. They deserve it. I figure* they get stomped on by whomever wins the AL Pennant. Maybe in 4 games. *(read: hope)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: He can get a coaching job even though he's being paid by the Mets. (Didn't Art Howe coach somewhere in 2005?) I'm not sure if it reduces the Mets obligation to pay him, as it would with a player. I'm guessing not. I believe that yes, he can get a coaching job elsewhere. That being said, I don't believe Howe worked as a coach until the 2007 season, when he was off the Mets payroll (he was paid in '05 and '06).

I'm surprised by how many people would offer arbitration to Easley. I think if the Mets offered it, he'd take it. And then we'd be stuck with him for next year, as I don't think he'd get a better offer somewhere else. Two years in a row, he's been hurt when we really needed him. I have no doubt we can find a backup middle infielder with a little pop somewhere else who's not 38 years old.

I don't think it was as bad as it was in '07. Aguayo probably got a worse rap than he deserved, mostly after that July game against the Phillies where Chavez was thrown out by a mile twice.

Frayed Knot wrote: I'd like to think that it was a common-sense decision made with weather (NE vs SoCal) and time zones (EDT v PDT) in mind, but more likely it was a pre-arranged deal where the higher paying network (FOX in this case w/the NL series) gets the prime time slot while TBS gets banished to the afternoon. Maybe it's because they aren't going to start a game at 1:30 PDT?

I thought it was a nice tribute to his childhood and memories of Shea but when he came across as uninformed it didn't help the piece.

Vince Coleman Firecracker wrote: I think Beltran's awesome, but I don't think he's untouchable the way Reyes and Wright are. I'd consider accepting a decent package for him. Cano/Kennedy/Veras is not enough, though. Cano/Hughes/Edwar Ramirez would be warmer. The Mets could sign Mike Cameron (if the Brewers turn down his option) or take a chance on Rocco Baldelli until Fartinez is ready. That said, I'm in no rush to trade an excellent center fielder that OPS+es 130. A "decent" package for Beltran would be a horrible trade. If somebody wants to trade two young top-of-the-line starting pitchers in exchange for Beltran...I'd consider it. Shane Victorino and Chase Utley for Beltran? Ok, sure. Any combination of players on the Yankees? Not a chance. I can't believe people would seriously consider this.

Not mentioned there is that Beltran is also the best defensive player in the league at his position and impossible to replace at the level he brings.

I wouldn't offer arbitration to Easley unless you want to keep him. Which I don't think we do.

I predict Warthen will be retained.

AG/DC wrote: I do also. I know why. Also the nicest ballpark in MLB.

Without having seen the contract, I'll guess it makes more sense for the Mets to not release him. If Burgos is in jail, he's not fulfilling his end of the deal, which means the Mets won't have to pay him.

I've tried to watch but I sit down and find that I can't watch more than about an inning at a time. It's not disinterest (the games certainly are entertaining). It's just that not being there bothers me so much more when the games are on.

Tampa, of course. By the widest margin possible. The team that won twice in in the last 4 years, or the team that was in last place for 9 of the past 10 years. Gee, that's tough.

Mets Walkoffs[/url:1ao0rtdq] has a list of everyone for the year. The breakdown: Former Players/Manager/Coaches: 25 Corporate Sponsors: 15 Representatives of Charities/Awareness Days: 12 Mets Employees: 9 Media: 6 Fans: 5 Includes several "lucky fans" -- (ie. we couldn't get anyone better.) Mets Cross-Promotion: 4 (ie. SNY Personalities) Mr. Met: 4 (Seriously, Mr. Met did four numbers? We love him too, but this is just more of "we couldn't get anyone better." They could've at least done more "lucky fans!" New York Jets: 1 Shea Family: 1

I'm not saying I necessarily agree with this list, but to throw into the discussion, here's the 2008 Mets ranked by Win Shares[/url:1p1gygzr] 1. Beltran 33 2t. Wright 29 2t. Reyes 29 4. Delgado 24 5. Santana 21 6. Tatis 14 7. Pelfrey 12 8t. Schneider 10 8t. Church 10 10. Wagner 8 11t. Castillo 8 11t. Perez 8 13t. Easley 7 13t. Castro 7 15t. Murphy 6 15t. Maine 6 17. Smith 5 18t. Sanchez 4 18t. Schoeneweis 4 20t. Pagan 3 20t. Stokes 3 20t. Chavez 3 20t. Feliciano 3 24t. Alou 2 24t. Evans 2 24t. Casanova 2 27t. Heilman 1 27t. Muniz 1 27t. Vargas 1 27t. Figueroa 1 27t. Martinez 1

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'm glad that a part of Shea will be in the new ballpark, but I don't think that tacky skyline is the part I would have kept. Serious question (to BG, and others): What would you have kept -- that was practical to do so? (Answers such as "a massive scoreboard in right field" or "12,000 upper deck seats" might be true but decidedly impractical).

="Benjamin Grimm":1rsi7ukc]My one memory of Burgos as a Met was him pitching to Ryan Howard in an early season game. In the IGT, I urged Willie to leave him in to face Howard, and Howard promptly hit a game-tying or tie-breaking home run.[/quote:1rsi7ukc] Home opener, IIRC. Benjamin Grimm Oct 03 2008 11:22 AM Probably. I only tend to IGT during weekday day games when I'm stuck in front of the computer. HahnSolo Oct 03 2008 11:26 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":31qetany]My one memory of Burgos as a Met was him pitching to Ryan Howard in an early season game. In the IGT, I urged Willie to leave him in to face Howard, and Howard promptly hit a game-tying or tie-breaking home run. It led to a Mets loss to the Phillies. And as we know, had the Mets had one additional win against the Phillies in 2007, we'd have much different memories of that year.[/quote:31qetany] It was the home opener, and I am pretty sure the Mets had a comeback to win. John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 03 2008 11:26 AM ]OlerudOwned Apr 09 2007 01:10 PM No Feliciano to face Howard, Burgos stays in. Centerfield Apr 09 2007 01:10 PM Why is Feliciano not in to face Howard? Willets Point Apr 09 2007 01:10 PM I think this is going to be one of those unintentional intentional walks for Howard. Nymr83 Apr 09 2007 01:11 PM woah. pitching to Howard, i don't agree with this. OlerudOwned Apr 09 2007 01:11 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 09 2007 01:12 PM Howard is ice cold, that splitter has him all over the place. EDIT: I'm misspelled Cory Lidle. RIP. Benjamin Grimm Apr 09 2007 01:11 PM It looks like Burgos is pitching to Howard. Good. I'm okay with that... Johnny Dickshot Apr 09 2007 01:12 PM 3-run fucking homer Nymr83 Apr 09 2007 01:13 PM HR Ryan Howard, i knew that was a dumb idea. Willets Point Apr 09 2007 01:13 PM Yancy Street Gang wrote: It looks like Burgos is pitching to Howard. Good. I'm okay with that... How do you feel about that now? OlerudOwned Apr 09 2007 01:13 PM Ok, he stopped looking cold. Centerfield Apr 09 2007 01:13 PM Willie is going to get killed for this one. No way you leave a righty in to face Howard. Bad bad move. Rotblatt Apr 09 2007 01:13 PM Retarded. Should have brought in Feliciano. Burgos sucks against lefties. It's a miracle he got Utley out. metirish Apr 09 2007 01:14 PM Willie will say Feliciano pitched the last few nights,or some such bullshit. Benjamin Grimm Apr 09 2007 01:14 PM Willets Point wrote: ="Yancy Street Gang"]It looks like Burgos is pitching to Howard. Good. I'm okay with that... How do you feel about that now? Not quite as good as I did earlier. At least now I won't be tempted to name my next child or pet "Ambiorix." themetfairy Oct 03 2008 11:26 AM The Mets lost this year's home opener. HahnSolo Oct 03 2008 12:13 PM ="themetfairy":s5rjbiet]The Mets lost this year's home opener.[/quote:s5rjbiet] Yeah, that's the 07 opener when Burgos spit the bit. themetfairy Oct 03 2008 12:21 PM Gotcha AG/DC Oct 08 2008 08:54 AM Burgos is in custody, and may be in far deeper shit than originally thought. The news comes after the mother of one of the two victims accused Burgos of intentionally running her daughter over because she refused to go out with him. Eudosia Ruane, mother of 29-year-old Angely Fana, told the AP she filed a report with police alleging homicide.There's some scoundrels in the UMDB, but no killers that I'm aware of. SteveJRogers Oct 08 2008 09:14 AM IIRC wasn't Julio Machado involved in something relating to a homicide case? AG/DC Oct 08 2008 09:25 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 08 2008 12:44 PM I think we need more nuance than "eh." Small moves can make a big difference and one more small one this year could have made all the difference. *Exercise the option on Moises Alou Tough to argue at the time but the money blown on Moises could have gone to better use. Call this one a -2, thought the big failure was not hammering into his head not to dive in a rehab game. *Acquired OF Ryan Church and C Brian Schneider from the Washington Nationals in exchange for OF Lastings Milledge. +1 for thew Mets. Could have been bigger. Still can *Acquired RHP Brian Stokes from the Tampa Bay Rays in exchange for cash considerations. +1 for the Mets. Found productivity here. *Acquired C Johnny Estrada from the Brewers in exchange for RHP Guillermo Mota. Tough to argue at the time, but backfired. -1. *Re-signed 2B Luis Castillo to a four-year contract. -3 *Re-signed C Ramon Castro to a two-year contract. Looks to be neutral, but swinging into the negative based on the first year. -1 *Release OF David Newhan and LHP Dave Williams. 0 and 0. *Signed RHP Matt Wise to a one-year contract. -1 *Non-tender C Johnny Estrada, RHP Juan Padilla and OF Ben Johnson, making them free agents. 0 and 0 and 0, but obviously the Johnson release reflects on how you score the deal which acquired him. *Selected RHP Steven Register from the Rockies in the Rule 5 Draft then gave him back. 0 *Acquired OF Angel Pagan from the Cubs for nonroster OF Corey Coles and nonroster RHP Ryan Meyers. +1 *Signed OF Brady Clark 0 *Signed OF Ben Johnson 0 *Signed free agent 1B Olmedo Saenz 0 *Signed RHP Tony Armas Jr. -1 *Signed RHP Nelson Figueroa +1 *Acquired LHP Johan Santana from the Twins for OF Carlos Gomez, RHP Deolis Guerra, RHP Philip Humber and RHP Kevin Mulvey +3. Could swing back to a more modest plus. *Acquired RHP Luis Ayala from the Nationals for Anderson Hernandez. +1 I think that adds up to a Met net negative 1. SteveJRogers Oct 08 2008 10:05 AM Quick question though, can the Mets at any point give Burgos his unconditional release? If so, what are they waiting for? Due process? Does he have to be reinstated off the DL? Gwreck Oct 08 2008 11:42 AM Without having seen the contract, I'll guess it makes more sense for the Mets to not release him. If Burgos is in jail, he's not fulfilling his end of the deal, which means the Mets won't have to pay him. HahnSolo Oct 08 2008 12:32 PM ="AG/DC"] *Re-signed 2B Luis Castillo to a four-year contract. -3,000 Just fixed one little mistake you had there. Benjamin Grimm Oct 08 2008 12:36 PM That really was a nutty move, wasn't it? I can imagine how good Castillo's agent must have felt while driving home from that contract signing. metirish Oct 09 2008 08:03 PM Mets' Burgos jailed for 3 months ahead of trial By DIONISIO SOLDEVILA � 4 hours ago NAGUA, Dominican Republic (AP) � New York Mets pitcher Ambiorix Burgos will be jailed for three months while awaiting trial for a hit-and-run accident that killed two women. The 24-year-old reliever told The Associated Press that a Dominican judge ordered him to remain behind bars Wednesday night out of concerns for his safety. "I am going to come out of this fine because my conscience is clear, and I'm not worried this will affect my career because I haven't done anything," he said in the jailhouse interview. Burgos is accused of abandoning the victims of the Sept. 30 accident and fleeing, charges that can carry six months to two years in prison. He disappeared after the accident but turned himself in Tuesday. themetfairy Oct 09 2008 08:12 PM Why is he wearing a White Sox cap? metirish Oct 09 2008 08:14 PM Because he's a bollox. HahnSolo Oct 10 2008 08:44 AM DR cop, trying his best to look menacing. Not succeeding. AG/DC Oct 10 2008 08:49 AM Oh, I think he looks menacing, just not in the hard-assed cop sense. More like in the perverted uncle sense. Centerfield Oct 10 2008 08:52 AM Forget the Sox hat, why is he wearing the Aflac duck on his shirt? metirish Oct 10 2008 08:56 AM Sorry , I forgot to mention that this arrest was made courtesy of Aflac. I'm sure Burgos is saving at least 15% this. AG/DC Oct 10 2008 09:15 AM Shouldn't bad-ass cop have him in cuffs instead of on the phone? HahnSolo Oct 10 2008 10:20 AM On a related note, ESPN did a feature last week with Jeremy Schaap interviewing Ugie Urbina from jail. He's ready to pitch, folks! Well, assuming his appeal goes through, or, he's released early...minor inconveniences. metirish Oct 10 2008 10:23 AM Has the makings of a sweet jail house sports movie starring 'The Rock" or some other such waster. Fman99 Oct 10 2008 11:10 AM ="HahnSolo":6ljo33ad]DR cop, trying his best to look menacing. Not succeeding.[/quote:6ljo33ad] His inner monologue: "Don't mess with me or I'll rub my head spots on you!" followed by "Mr. Quentin, can I have your autograph?" metsguyinmichigan Oct 10 2008 11:54 AM ="themetfairy":s75v0yzf]Why is he wearing a White Sox cap?[/quote:s75v0yzf] Im sure the White Sox are SO thrilled that he's wearing their cap -- with the tag still on it! I'm pretty happy, too. Someone get him a Jeter jersey and I'd be even more happy. metirish Oct 10 2008 11:58 AM The style now days is to keep the tag on , at least here in NYC it is. I don't get it either but tags are the thing now. Benjamin Grimm Oct 10 2008 12:00 PM You mean that sticker that's on the brim? That, along with the flat brim, looks ridiculous. metirish Oct 10 2008 12:05 PM Yeah the sticker on the brim is all the style , that and the sticker that gives the hat size in the under side of the brim. soupcan Oct 10 2008 01:14 PM Bought my son a new Mets fitted hat a little while back. We walked out of the store and the first thing he did was remove all the stickers and start rolling the brim. I was so proud. Fman99 Oct 10 2008 06:17 PM I was reconsidering the title of this thread. Burgos is the answer... but the question should be "Which Met is most likely to mow you down as you cross the street eating churros?" Edgy DC Oct 30 2008 10:36 AM ]New York Mets pitcher Ambiorix Burgos has been released from jail following a car crash that killed two women. A judge ordered him to pay $57,000 US and appear every two weeks before a magistrate until a court date is set. Gwreck Oct 30 2008 11:46 AM He could probably sell some of the jewelery to afford it. Edgy DC Feb 05 2009 05:47 AM Adam Rubin sez: Ambiorix Burgos, who was dumped by the Mets in December, continues to throw his life away. According to Diario Libre, Burgos, who is free despite being charged with killing two women while driving a vehicle, allegedly got into a fight with another ballplayer, F�lix El Gatico Mart�nez while they played dominoes. Martinez reportedly told police that Burgos pulled out a gun and threatened to kill him. Benjamin Grimm Feb 05 2009 08:05 AM Note to self: Never play dominoes with Ambiorix Burgos. On the plus side, we like intense competitors, don't we? Centerfield Feb 05 2009 09:29 AM I don't know how to play the actual game of dominos. But if he's talking about stacking them so they can fall in a line, I can see how that would drive someone to that sort of reaction. I mean, you spend all afternoon trying to get things just right, making sure to put plenty on the curves, splitting them into parallel tracks, then some doofus comes and knocks everything down while you're still working...few things in life are that maddening. I remember when I was ten my friend Mike did that to me like twice in one day. Had I been packing heat at the time, who knows what would have gone down. John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 05 2009 09:46 AM lol Edgy DC Apr 22 2009 12:05 PM Burgos gets nine months for a September beatdown on a woman. Benjamin Grimm Apr 22 2009 12:25 PM If he had done it in March, would he have only gotten three months?

I can't remember where I read it, but my recollection is similar to that of metirish, that Valentine is making boatloads in Japan, and that a paycut to return to the US wasn't in the cards.

Thoughts: 1. Thanks BG! Very nicely done. Hard work is much appreciated. 2. Surprised at the big dropoff between Delgado and Reyes. 3. Heilman makes sense when you consider how many times he pitched multiple innings in relief (my quick count was 16 of his outings went over 1 inning). Of those 16, he was charged with runs in only 3 of those outings. Plus, one of those 3 outings was the 15-inning game against the Cardinals where he pitched 3 scoreless before giving up the HR in the 4th inning, pitching as the last man out of the 'pen -- hence Aaron got beer in that game, too. I figure that those > 1 inning outings certainly added up the points for him.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: The Mets defeated the Angels 9-6 on June 16. This was one of my personal favorites because it would turn out to be the last game Willie Randolph would ever manage (mismanage?) for this franchise. The Wilpons gave Willie a Ferrari, but it turned out that Willie couldn't drive a stick shift. Lost in your eagerness to needlessly bash Willie again was that this game was already mentioned several posts ago.

I didn't mean to exclude anyone's nomination. I'll update the list tonight. I'm sure there's a way to do some sort of poll to get a consensus top 10.

="metsguyinmichigan":3s4uep6x]That off-season between 2006 and 2007 was just disastrous for Omar. Did any of those deals work out? Am I missing one?[/quote:3s4uep6x] Nope. Nothing Omar did that winter worked out, except for Easley and Alou (mostly). From the worst to the best, the offseason resulted in: [u:3s4uep6x]Lost to Free-Agency[/u:3s4uep6x] 1. Failed to re-sign Bradford 2. Failed to re-sign Oliver 3. Allowed Floyd to leave [u:3s4uep6x]Trades[/u:3s4uep6x] 1. Traded Bell/Ring for Johnson/Adkins 2. Traded Lindstrom/Owens for J. Vargas/Bostick 3. Traded Bannister for Burgos [u:3s4uep6x]Free Agents[/u:3s4uep6x] 1. Re-signed Mota 2. Signed Schoeneweis 3. Signed Sele 4. Signed Newhan 5. Signed Easley 6. Signed Alou smg58 Oct 02 2008 06:08 AM Bradford, Oliver, Bell, and Lindstrom would have been the four best relievers on this year's club once Wagner went down. OlerudOwned Oct 02 2008 08:02 AM ="smg58":3j9o7huv]Bradford, Oliver, Bell, and Lindstrom would have been the four best relievers on this year's club once Wagner went down.[/quote:3j9o7huv] Bell and Lindstrom would have completely changed our season. Centerfield Oct 02 2008 08:37 AM ="Gwreck":1fbusn75]="metsguyinmichigan":1fbusn75]That off-season between 2006 and 2007 was just disastrous for Omar. Did any of those deals work out? Am I missing one?[/quote:1fbusn75] Nope. Nothing Omar did that winter worked out, except for Easley and Alou (mostly). From the worst to the best, the offseason resulted in: [u:1fbusn75]Lost to Free-Agency[/u:1fbusn75] 1. Failed to re-sign Bradford 2. Failed to re-sign Oliver 3. Allowed Floyd to leave [u:1fbusn75]Trades[/u:1fbusn75] 1. Traded Bell/Ring for Johnson/Adkins 2. Traded Lindstrom/Owens for J. Vargas/Bostick 3. Traded Bannister for Burgos [u:1fbusn75]Free Agents[/u:1fbusn75] 1. Re-signed Mota 2. Signed Schoeneweis 3. Signed Sele 4. Signed Newhan 5. Signed Easley 6. Signed Alou[/quote:1fbusn75] That's amazing. There isn't a single move on that list, except Easley, that I would do again if I had the chance. John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 02 2008 08:43 AM And Easley while a success for what we got from him, encountered an unfortunate, but wholly predictable finish to that year considering his age. Who knows what was possible had he stayed healthy. metirish Oct 02 2008 08:45 AM What a list , funny that Minaya used to promote a strong bullpen as the key to winning teams. Frayed Knot Oct 02 2008 09:00 AM My thoughts as I remember them at the time: 1. Failed to re-sign Bradford -- I didn't mind this move based on not liking 3-year deals for relievers and his similarity with the younger/cheaper upcoming Smith. Only problem was then turning around and giving similar money to Schoeneweis 2. Failed to re-sign Oliver -- I thought nothing of this at the time. He was ready to retire and I'm shocked he's still pitching. 3. Allowed Floyd to leave -- Right move then and now 1. Traded Bell/Ring for Johnson/Adkins -- It's easy to lament Bell now, but unfortunately he was lousy during his last season here. Maybe this was a Peterson issue. The problem was what was brought back. 2. Traded Lindstrom/Owens for J. Vargas/Bostick -- Lindstrom had stuff but was wild and not all that young. Owens was more a novelty (catcher turned pitcher). Again, the problem was that the imports weren't good enough to be 4th OF/5th starter types as hoped. 3. Traded Bannister for Burgos -- I liked this at the time. Fans keep saying they want power arms for the pen and Burgos was exactly that plus younger w/more upside. Just didn't know he was going to turn into injury-prone criminal. 1. Re-signed Mota -- showed promise in a brief trial. But too brief + steroids shouldn't equal a 2-year deal 2. Signed Schoeneweis -- See Bradford 3. Signed Sele -- Essentially a meaningless back of the pen move 4. Signed Newhan -- Essentially a meaningless end of the bench move 5. Signed Easley -- Decnet to good bench player 6. Signed Alou -- Good singing Centerfield Oct 02 2008 09:04 AM It's not like Omar has done a bang-up job since that 06-07 winter either. The Santana trade was great. Other than that, his track record hasn't been spectacular. Maybe extensions are easier to come by these days: *Exercise the option on Moises Alou *Acquired OF Ryan Church and C Brian Schneider from the Washington Nationals in exchange for OF Lastings Milledge. *Acquired RHP Brian Stokes from the Tampa Bay Rays in exchange for cash considerations. *Acquired C Johnny Estrada from the Brewers in exchange for RHP Guillermo Mota. *Re-signed 2B Luis Castillo to a four-year contract. *Re-signed C Ramon Castro to a two-year contract. *Release OF David Newhan and LHP Dave Williams. *Signed RHP Matt Wise to a one-year contract. *Non-tender C Johnny Estrada, RHP Juan Padilla and OF Ben Johnson, making them free agents. *Selected RHP Steven Register from the Rockies in the Rule 5 Draft then gave him back. *Acquired OF Angel Pagan from the Cubs for nonroster OF Corey Coles and nonroster RHP Ryan Meyers. *Signed OF Brady Clark *Signed OF Ben Johnson *Signed free agent 1B Olmedo Saenz *Signed RHP Tony Armas Jr. *Signed RHP Nelson Figueroa *Acquired LHP Johan Santana from the Twins for OF Carlos Gomez, RHP Deolis Guerra, RHP Philip Humber and RHP Kevin Mulvey *Acquired RHP Luis Ayala from the Nationals for Anderson Hernandez. In hindsight, I'd say the Church trade was good, the Santana trade was great, and everything else ranges from "eh" to "makes me want to vomit". AG/DC Oct 02 2008 09:31 AM Back to the main subject of the thread: Burgos is innocent until proven guilty and all, but can we release him for driving a Hummer? AG/DC Oct 02 2008 12:39 PM Here's a strange turn: Although a relative of the right-hander, Edwin Silvestre Sanchez, told police investigators he was the driver at fault, Taveras indicated Sanchez likely will be considered an accomplice. HahnSolo Oct 02 2008 12:46 PM A sycophant trying to protect his gravy train, maybe? Benjamin Grimm Oct 03 2008 06:54 AM I just realized that Burgos got no surge of hits on the UMDB from this. If you rob a jewelry store (Jeff Reardon) or fly a plane into a building (Cory Lidle) your numbers go through the roof. But you kill two people in the Dominican Republic: nothing! He's had fewer lookups this week than guys like Shaun Fitzmaurice and Tito Navarro. I wonder if it's the Dominican Republic angle? If he had killed two women on the Jersey Turnpike this probably would have gotten a lot more attention. AG/DC Oct 03 2008 06:58 AM I had forgotten he ever played for the big team. Rockin' Doc Oct 03 2008 11:11 AM AG/DC - "I had forgotten he ever played for the big team." Lucky you. In all fairness, his 2007 stats with the Mets would have looked pretty good compared to this year's bullpen staff. Fman99 Oct 03 2008 11:14 AM ="Rockin' Doc":60b5v6ml]AG/DC - "I had forgotten he ever played for the big team." Lucky you. In all fairness, his 2007 stats with the Mets would have looked pretty good compared to this year's bullpen staff.[/quote:60b5v6ml] I can think of one appearance he made... he got the win, IIRC, in the weekday matinee game where the Mets made up a five run deficit in the 9th against erstwhile closer Ryan Dempster and the Cubbies. Delgado RBI single to win it... Benjamin Grimm Oct 03 2008 11:17 AM My one memory of Burgos as a Met was him pitching to Ryan Howard in an early season game. In the IGT, I urged Willie to leave him in to face Howard, and Howard promptly hit a game-tying or tie-breaking home run. It led to a Mets loss to the Phillies. And as we know, had the Mets had one additional win against the Phillies in 2007, we'd have much different memories of that year. Gwreck Oct 03 2008 11:21 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":1rsi7ukc]My one memory of Burgos as a Met was him pitching to Ryan Howard in an early season game. In the IGT, I urged Willie to leave him in to face Howard, and Howard promptly hit a game-tying or tie-breaking home run.[/quote:1rsi7ukc] Home opener, IIRC. Benjamin Grimm Oct 03 2008 11:22 AM Probably. I only tend to IGT during weekday day games when I'm stuck in front of the computer. HahnSolo Oct 03 2008 11:26 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":31qetany]My one memory of Burgos as a Met was him pitching to Ryan Howard in an early season game. In the IGT, I urged Willie to leave him in to face Howard, and Howard promptly hit a game-tying or tie-breaking home run. It led to a Mets loss to the Phillies. And as we know, had the Mets had one additional win against the Phillies in 2007, we'd have much different memories of that year.[/quote:31qetany] It was the home opener, and I am pretty sure the Mets had a comeback to win. John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 03 2008 11:26 AM ]OlerudOwned Apr 09 2007 01:10 PM No Feliciano to face Howard, Burgos stays in. Centerfield Apr 09 2007 01:10 PM Why is Feliciano not in to face Howard? Willets Point Apr 09 2007 01:10 PM I think this is going to be one of those unintentional intentional walks for Howard. Nymr83 Apr 09 2007 01:11 PM woah. pitching to Howard, i don't agree with this. OlerudOwned Apr 09 2007 01:11 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 09 2007 01:12 PM Howard is ice cold, that splitter has him all over the place. EDIT: I'm misspelled Cory Lidle. RIP. Benjamin Grimm Apr 09 2007 01:11 PM It looks like Burgos is pitching to Howard. Good. I'm okay with that... Johnny Dickshot Apr 09 2007 01:12 PM 3-run fucking homer Nymr83 Apr 09 2007 01:13 PM HR Ryan Howard, i knew that was a dumb idea. Willets Point Apr 09 2007 01:13 PM Yancy Street Gang wrote: It looks like Burgos is pitching to Howard. Good. I'm okay with that... How do you feel about that now? OlerudOwned Apr 09 2007 01:13 PM Ok, he stopped looking cold. Centerfield Apr 09 2007 01:13 PM Willie is going to get killed for this one. No way you leave a righty in to face Howard. Bad bad move. Rotblatt Apr 09 2007 01:13 PM Retarded. Should have brought in Feliciano. Burgos sucks against lefties. It's a miracle he got Utley out. metirish Apr 09 2007 01:14 PM Willie will say Feliciano pitched the last few nights,or some such bullshit. Benjamin Grimm Apr 09 2007 01:14 PM Willets Point wrote: ="Yancy Street Gang"]It looks like Burgos is pitching to Howard. Good. I'm okay with that... How do you feel about that now? Not quite as good as I did earlier. At least now I won't be tempted to name my next child or pet "Ambiorix." themetfairy Oct 03 2008 11:26 AM The Mets lost this year's home opener. HahnSolo Oct 03 2008 12:13 PM ="themetfairy":s5rjbiet]The Mets lost this year's home opener.[/quote:s5rjbiet] Yeah, that's the 07 opener when Burgos spit the bit. themetfairy Oct 03 2008 12:21 PM Gotcha AG/DC Oct 08 2008 08:54 AM Burgos is in custody, and may be in far deeper shit than originally thought. The news comes after the mother of one of the two victims accused Burgos of intentionally running her daughter over because she refused to go out with him. Eudosia Ruane, mother of 29-year-old Angely Fana, told the AP she filed a report with police alleging homicide.There's some scoundrels in the UMDB, but no killers that I'm aware of. SteveJRogers Oct 08 2008 09:14 AM IIRC wasn't Julio Machado involved in something relating to a homicide case? AG/DC Oct 08 2008 09:25 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 08 2008 12:44 PM I think we need more nuance than "eh." Small moves can make a big difference and one more small one this year could have made all the difference. *Exercise the option on Moises Alou Tough to argue at the time but the money blown on Moises could have gone to better use. Call this one a -2, thought the big failure was not hammering into his head not to dive in a rehab game. *Acquired OF Ryan Church and C Brian Schneider from the Washington Nationals in exchange for OF Lastings Milledge. +1 for thew Mets. Could have been bigger. Still can *Acquired RHP Brian Stokes from the Tampa Bay Rays in exchange for cash considerations. +1 for the Mets. Found productivity here. *Acquired C Johnny Estrada from the Brewers in exchange for RHP Guillermo Mota. Tough to argue at the time, but backfired. -1. *Re-signed 2B Luis Castillo to a four-year contract. -3 *Re-signed C Ramon Castro to a two-year contract. Looks to be neutral, but swinging into the negative based on the first year. -1 *Release OF David Newhan and LHP Dave Williams. 0 and 0. *Signed RHP Matt Wise to a one-year contract. -1 *Non-tender C Johnny Estrada, RHP Juan Padilla and OF Ben Johnson, making them free agents. 0 and 0 and 0, but obviously the Johnson release reflects on how you score the deal which acquired him. *Selected RHP Steven Register from the Rockies in the Rule 5 Draft then gave him back. 0 *Acquired OF Angel Pagan from the Cubs for nonroster OF Corey Coles and nonroster RHP Ryan Meyers. +1 *Signed OF Brady Clark 0 *Signed OF Ben Johnson 0 *Signed free agent 1B Olmedo Saenz 0 *Signed RHP Tony Armas Jr. -1 *Signed RHP Nelson Figueroa +1 *Acquired LHP Johan Santana from the Twins for OF Carlos Gomez, RHP Deolis Guerra, RHP Philip Humber and RHP Kevin Mulvey +3. Could swing back to a more modest plus. *Acquired RHP Luis Ayala from the Nationals for Anderson Hernandez. +1 I think that adds up to a Met net negative 1. SteveJRogers Oct 08 2008 10:05 AM Quick question though, can the Mets at any point give Burgos his unconditional release? If so, what are they waiting for? Due process? Does he have to be reinstated off the DL? Gwreck Oct 08 2008 11:42 AM Without having seen the contract, I'll guess it makes more sense for the Mets to not release him. If Burgos is in jail, he's not fulfilling his end of the deal, which means the Mets won't have to pay him. HahnSolo Oct 08 2008 12:32 PM ="AG/DC"] *Re-signed 2B Luis Castillo to a four-year contract. -3,000 Just fixed one little mistake you had there. Benjamin Grimm Oct 08 2008 12:36 PM That really was a nutty move, wasn't it? I can imagine how good Castillo's agent must have felt while driving home from that contract signing. metirish Oct 09 2008 08:03 PM Mets' Burgos jailed for 3 months ahead of trial By DIONISIO SOLDEVILA � 4 hours ago NAGUA, Dominican Republic (AP) � New York Mets pitcher Ambiorix Burgos will be jailed for three months while awaiting trial for a hit-and-run accident that killed two women. The 24-year-old reliever told The Associated Press that a Dominican judge ordered him to remain behind bars Wednesday night out of concerns for his safety. "I am going to come out of this fine because my conscience is clear, and I'm not worried this will affect my career because I haven't done anything," he said in the jailhouse interview. Burgos is accused of abandoning the victims of the Sept. 30 accident and fleeing, charges that can carry six months to two years in prison. He disappeared after the accident but turned himself in Tuesday. themetfairy Oct 09 2008 08:12 PM Why is he wearing a White Sox cap? metirish Oct 09 2008 08:14 PM Because he's a bollox. HahnSolo Oct 10 2008 08:44 AM DR cop, trying his best to look menacing. Not succeeding. AG/DC Oct 10 2008 08:49 AM Oh, I think he looks menacing, just not in the hard-assed cop sense. More like in the perverted uncle sense. Centerfield Oct 10 2008 08:52 AM Forget the Sox hat, why is he wearing the Aflac duck on his shirt? metirish Oct 10 2008 08:56 AM Sorry , I forgot to mention that this arrest was made courtesy of Aflac. I'm sure Burgos is saving at least 15% this. AG/DC Oct 10 2008 09:15 AM Shouldn't bad-ass cop have him in cuffs instead of on the phone? HahnSolo Oct 10 2008 10:20 AM On a related note, ESPN did a feature last week with Jeremy Schaap interviewing Ugie Urbina from jail. He's ready to pitch, folks! Well, assuming his appeal goes through, or, he's released early...minor inconveniences. metirish Oct 10 2008 10:23 AM Has the makings of a sweet jail house sports movie starring 'The Rock" or some other such waster. Fman99 Oct 10 2008 11:10 AM ="HahnSolo":6ljo33ad]DR cop, trying his best to look menacing. Not succeeding.[/quote:6ljo33ad] His inner monologue: "Don't mess with me or I'll rub my head spots on you!" followed by "Mr. Quentin, can I have your autograph?" metsguyinmichigan Oct 10 2008 11:54 AM ="themetfairy":s75v0yzf]Why is he wearing a White Sox cap?[/quote:s75v0yzf] Im sure the White Sox are SO thrilled that he's wearing their cap -- with the tag still on it! I'm pretty happy, too. Someone get him a Jeter jersey and I'd be even more happy. metirish Oct 10 2008 11:58 AM The style now days is to keep the tag on , at least here in NYC it is. I don't get it either but tags are the thing now. Benjamin Grimm Oct 10 2008 12:00 PM You mean that sticker that's on the brim? That, along with the flat brim, looks ridiculous. metirish Oct 10 2008 12:05 PM Yeah the sticker on the brim is all the style , that and the sticker that gives the hat size in the under side of the brim. soupcan Oct 10 2008 01:14 PM Bought my son a new Mets fitted hat a little while back. We walked out of the store and the first thing he did was remove all the stickers and start rolling the brim. I was so proud. Fman99 Oct 10 2008 06:17 PM I was reconsidering the title of this thread. Burgos is the answer... but the question should be "Which Met is most likely to mow you down as you cross the street eating churros?" Edgy DC Oct 30 2008 10:36 AM ]New York Mets pitcher Ambiorix Burgos has been released from jail following a car crash that killed two women. A judge ordered him to pay $57,000 US and appear every two weeks before a magistrate until a court date is set. Gwreck Oct 30 2008 11:46 AM He could probably sell some of the jewelery to afford it. Edgy DC Feb 05 2009 05:47 AM Adam Rubin sez: Ambiorix Burgos, who was dumped by the Mets in December, continues to throw his life away. According to Diario Libre, Burgos, who is free despite being charged with killing two women while driving a vehicle, allegedly got into a fight with another ballplayer, F�lix El Gatico Mart�nez while they played dominoes. Martinez reportedly told police that Burgos pulled out a gun and threatened to kill him. Benjamin Grimm Feb 05 2009 08:05 AM Note to self: Never play dominoes with Ambiorix Burgos. On the plus side, we like intense competitors, don't we? Centerfield Feb 05 2009 09:29 AM I don't know how to play the actual game of dominos. But if he's talking about stacking them so they can fall in a line, I can see how that would drive someone to that sort of reaction. I mean, you spend all afternoon trying to get things just right, making sure to put plenty on the curves, splitting them into parallel tracks, then some doofus comes and knocks everything down while you're still working...few things in life are that maddening. I remember when I was ten my friend Mike did that to me like twice in one day. Had I been packing heat at the time, who knows what would have gone down. John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 05 2009 09:46 AM lol Edgy DC Apr 22 2009 12:05 PM Burgos gets nine months for a September beatdown on a woman. Benjamin Grimm Apr 22 2009 12:25 PM If he had done it in March, would he have only gotten three months?

I added the 7/13, 8/27 and 9/3 games to get us to 10. Am I missing any? 3/31: Mets 7, Marlins 2 (Opening day; first Johan win) 5/31: Mets 3, Dodgers 2 (Mets rally; Pelfrey starts string of great starts; also CPF gathering day) 6/16: Mets 9, Angels 6 (Mets out hit best team in baseball; 'pen bends but doesn't break; Beltran 2 HR) 6/27 (game 1): Mets 15, MFYs 6 (Delgado 9 RBI, sweep games at MFY stadium for '08) 7/13: Mets 7, Rockies 0 (9th win in a row going into the ASB; another great Pelfrey start - 8 shutout innings) 7/27: Mets 9, Cardinals 1 (Johan CG after tough loss, 3 Mets HRs) 8/27: Mets 6, Phillies 3 (Mets get 4 off Philly 'pen in the 8th; Murphy pinch-hit double and Schneider single off Lidge) 9/3: Mets 9, Brewers 2 (Church grand slam seals road sweep) 9/7 (game 2) Mets 6, Phillies 3 (Mets hold first place/avoid sweep; Delgado 2 HR; Johan is stopper again) 9/27: Mets 2, Marlins 0 (the Johan shutout) Cutting room floor: 4/11: Mets 4, Brewers 2 (Figueroa retires first 14 in front of family en route to first Mets win) 5/18: Mets 11, MFYs 2 (Despite robbed of Delgado HR, Mets crush MFYs)

Well, I didn't really have very many big games in September (1-2 with a Homer and a Walk in Atlanta on the 19th was as big as it got for me), so I'm going to have to go with my May 24 performance against the Rockies at Coors Field. I had three doubles and two RBIs. It was also my major league debut. Pedro Feliciano, we know about some of your bad days. What was your best?