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Yeah, for that reason alone, that analogy doesn't work.

It's harder to be rational and it hurts quite a bit more when you're there in person.

I belive the Mets win expectancy was 99.99999999999999999% when Rodriguez got Rodriguez to pop up, and they still lost. Sorry, Luis. Castillo -2,000

I'll leave it to the Elias people to figure out what the closest to victory but then losing situation ever was but I can't imagine that this wasn't in the top 5 in Mets history. I also don't think I'm exaggerating when I say this was the worst non-playoff/playoff-determinative loss I've ever had the unfortunate nature of attending. New MFY park is actually pretty nice if not for all the pop-fly homers. It's like they kept it mostly the same but fixed a lot of what sucked about the old place, while also adding a million suites or luxury seats. Not in my top 5 parks but not bad either.

Cora SS Martinez LF Beltran CF Wright 3B Church RF Sheffield DH Murphy 1B Schneider C Castillo 2B Hernandez P Jeter SS Swisher RF Teixeira 1B Rodriguez 3B Cano 2B Posada C Matsui DH Cabrera LF Gardner CF Chamberlain P

JManuel -4

I disliked all three of the bunts. What I really disliked was Jerry's incongruent strategy. He's playing for one run when his leadoff hitter is on in innings 1, 3 and 5, but then when the Phillies are threatening to tie, he plays the infield back and just lets them tie the game instead of trying to protect that precious one run. Not many fans of the opposing team tonight, fortunately. Nachos Grande were unexpectedly good at the park and a nice alternative, especially if getting to the CF food court is a pain (like it is from my seats).

Can't forget Dan Iassagona.

I hate Jason Werth.

Alright, rally time.

I found it interesting that Jimmy and his .268 OBP got bumped to 6th in the lineup. I might've moved him to 8th, personally.

I think he'll have a tough time succeeding but I think there's some merit to the claim. I think it probably would have sufficed to have his lawyers serve an immediate cease-and-desist letter upon Twitter to have the fake page removed. (Granted, if that didn't work I think his case would be very strong).

This game is being made up on July 2nd. Off day for the Mets; they'll be on the road between Milwaukee and Philadelphia.

="bmfc1":cgtu7p68]That means that Johan faces the Phillies on Tuesday (and it also means that he goes a week between starts). I have tickets for Sunday so I'm pissed.?[/quote:cgtu7p68] Sorry that you miss Johan. (I'll miss him too as a result of this -- would have seen him either against Philly or the MFYs). For the Mets, however, this is good. He'll get extra rest, and he'll pitch against both the Phillies and the MFYs, two teams we could really use him against. Frayed Knot Jun 03 2009 05:25 PM Bringing back Glavine was sort of a fail-safe for the Braves this year. But seeing as how their question-mark guys are working out decently (Jurrgens - Kamakami), and their main minor league guy (Tommy Hansen) is thriving and probably due for a call-up soon, there was no pressing need to try to work Glavine in. What that team really needs is hitting outfielders. Suxx for him that he's not going to go out on his own terms but thems the breaks. And, no, I don't expect Omar to give him a call. I'd sooner bring back Pedro at this point. G-Fafif Jun 03 2009 05:45 PM ="Frayed Knot":2lxsz438]What that team really needs is hitting outfielders.[/quote:2lxsz438] And they got one, according to Adam Rubin[/url:2lxsz438], in the person of Nate McLouth. MFS62 Jun 03 2009 06:00 PM ="G-Fafif":3byrmusv]="Frayed Knot":3byrmusv]What that team really needs is hitting outfielders.[/quote:3byrmusv] And they got one, according to Adam Rubin[/url:3byrmusv], in the person of Nate McLouth.[/quote:3byrmusv] Insert Joe Shultz epithet here. Later LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 03 2009 06:09 PM Balls. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 03 2009 06:17 PM Geez. I shutter to think about the Braves with McLouth. PS -- Got tixx Tuesday and going with some Philly fans. Heh. Kong76 Jun 03 2009 06:20 PM MFS: Insert Joe Shultz epithet here <<< I don't get it, google no help. MFS62 Jun 03 2009 06:23 PM ="Kong76"]MFS: Insert Joe Shultz epithet here <<< I don't get it, google no help. In Ball Four, Bouton's manager in Seattle was Joe Schultz. Joe's favorite epithet, quoted many times in the book, was "shitfuck". Later Kong76 Jun 03 2009 06:34 PM Lol, go google "Joe S(c)hultz epithet." I need rest. G-Fafif Jun 03 2009 06:37 PM How's your ol' tomato? John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 03 2009 06:38 PM Lets' throw some El Strikos out there. MFS62 Jun 03 2009 06:49 PM "Guys, this has been a long road trip. There are a lot of wives and girl friends waiting for you. Try to look horny." Later Willets Point Jun 03 2009 07:17 PM Re: Pitching News ="bmfc1":1i826oj4]Second, the Braves released Glavine. In one of the stranger comments I've read of late, Cerrone writes: "� i shutter to say this, but, the Mets need a starting pitcher, and he always had a strong relationship with Omar Minaya and Jeff Wilpon�"[/quote:1i826oj4] ::twitch:: ::twitch:: Fman99 Jun 03 2009 07:37 PM Re: Pitching News ="Willets Point":aq2lajma]="bmfc1":aq2lajma]Second, the Braves released Glavine. In one of the stranger comments I've read of late, Cerrone writes: "� i shutter to say this, but, the Mets need a starting pitcher, and he always had a strong relationship with Omar Minaya and Jeff Wilpon�"[/quote:aq2lajma] ::twitch:: ::twitch::[/quote:aq2lajma] Let's see if Armando Benitez wants to join him on the pitching staff. There's a reason these guys are ex-Mets. Frayed Knot Jun 03 2009 07:42 PM ="G-Fafif":pjxua9lt]="Frayed Knot":pjxua9lt]What that team really needs is hitting outfielders.[/quote:pjxua9lt] And they got one, according to Adam Rubin[/url:pjxua9lt], in the person of Nate McLouth.[/quote:pjxua9lt] Holy Shite ... I didn't mean THAT quickly!! It kind of helps us out for tomorrow but that's a major pickup for los Bravos. I can't believe Pitt dealt him. He just turned 27 and, unlike last year with Nady & Bay, is still a couple years away from FA-gency. I hope they got themselves a good return. If nothing else it'll piss off Francesa who declared McLouth to be "the perfect Yanqui" on numerous occasions last year. IOW, he's a young, under control All-Star who plays the one place the MFYs don't have a star so I suppose he figured it was inevitable that he be picking up his mail in the Bronx before long. Frayed Knot Jun 03 2009 08:20 PM ESPN: Atlanta gave up outfielder Gorkys Hernandez, one of their top prospects, along with pitchers Charlie Morton and Jeff Locke. Maybe those guys are good, but they have better prospects in both the OF & pitching. [to replace Glavine], the Braves called up highly touted prospect Tommy Hanson, who has dominated at Triple-A Gwinnett and will make his first major league appearance Saturday against the Milwaukee Brewers. The minor league blogosphere has been saying that Hanson has been overdue for weeks now. Another plus: McLouth is under contract through at least 2011, having signed a three-year, $15.75 contract in spring training. The deal includes a team option for a fourth year at $10.65 million, with a $1.25 million buyout. So if Pittsburgh can't afford him who can they afford? By trading McLouth, Pittsburgh cleared a spot for one of its best prospects, 2005 first-round pick Andrew McCutchen. The 22-year-old outfielder was called up from Triple-A Indianapolis, where he was hitting .303 with four homers, 20 RBIs and 10 stolen bases. So why not him AND McLouth? "When we signed Nate to a long-term contract, we did so with the intent on having him remain part of our core of homegrown talent. said GM Huntington -- But the quality and quantity of talent we are receiving in this trade moves us closer to our goal of building that sustainable championship-caliber club." I hope they're right. If so it'll be the first time in a long while. metsguyinmichigan Jun 03 2009 08:35 PM If we signed Glavine, I'd be devastated, not disappointed. Edgy DC Jun 03 2009 09:40 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 04 2009 05:33 AM I think we're buying into Cerrone's foolery by even reacting to his speculation. As for McLouth, I don't think it was a lack of money so much as the right trade at the right time. Somewhere on your block is a dork getting his ass kicked in fantasy baseball but certain that his day will come because he has Gorkys Hernandez down on his virtual farm. Morton can step into a rotation now (the Braves had him filling a spot) and has done well at AAA. I can't telll you anything to get excited about Locke, but he was a second rounder. Obviously I want this trade to break for the Buccos, but I think it has a good chance of doing that. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 04 2009 04:55 AM ="Frayed Knot":37edpb1t]="G-Fafif":37edpb1t]="Frayed Knot":37edpb1t]What that team really needs is hitting outfielders.[/quote:37edpb1t] And they got one, according to Adam Rubin[/url:37edpb1t], in the person of Nate McLouth.[/quote:37edpb1t] Holy Shite ... I didn't mean THAT quickly!! It kind of helps us out for tomorrow but that's a major pickup for los Bravos. I can't believe Pitt dealt him. He just turned 27 and, unlike last year with Nady & Bay, is still a couple years away from FA-gency. I hope they got themselves a good return. If nothing else it'll piss off Francesa who declared McLouth to be "the perfect Yanqui" on numerous occasions last year. IOW, he's a young, under control All-Star who plays the one place the MFYs don't have a star so I suppose he figured it was inevitable that he be picking up his mail in the Bronx before long.[/quote:37edpb1t] That's the thing with McLouth -- he's a bit overrated. He's good, but not really great. Rotblatt Jun 04 2009 06:49 AM Re: Pitching News ="Willets Point":1znihsau]="bmfc1":1znihsau]Second, the Braves released Glavine. In one of the stranger comments I've read of late, Cerrone writes: "� i shutter to say this, but, the Mets need a starting pitcher, and he always had a strong relationship with Omar Minaya and Jeff Wilpon�"[/quote:1znihsau] ::twitch:: ::twitch::[/quote:1znihsau] Indeed. If we're going to bring on aged superstars, I'd rather sign Petey. Benjamin Grimm Jun 04 2009 06:58 AM Yes, but I think the Mets should sign Glavine just to aggravate everyone. HahnSolo Jun 04 2009 07:30 AM Has anyone seen, or commented on this, from Adam Rubin: ]After struggles in 8th inning continue, Mets drop J.J. Putz 7th inning BY Adam Rubin DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER Thursday, June 4th 2009, 4:00 AM PITTSBURGH - Jerry Manuel met with J.J. Putz Wednesday and informed the ex-Mariners closer that he was being moved from an eighth-inning to seventh-inning role until he can rediscover his form. Putz was the primary culprit in a five-run eighth inning Monday night that resulted in the Mets' second loss in 22 games in which they led with sixouts to go. He will be replaced by rookie Bobby Parnell as the primary set-up man. Manuel described the move as temporary. "I watched some film today, and we think we've found a pretty big, glaring mechanical flaw that's kind of slowly progressed, maybe even through last year," Putz said. "I think we're going in the right direction." As for a lesser role, Putz added: "When you get into those pressure-packed situations, you really don't have a chance to work on anything. All you're really trying to do is figure a way to get somebody out. Maybe, by taking a step back, you're allowed to kind of pitch with a clear head and really think about what you're doing as opposed to just trying to think about getting a guy out." I like it in concept. I just dislike how they continue to try to define undefinable roles like "7th inning guy" or "8th inning guy". Benjamin Grimm Jun 04 2009 07:39 AM I agree. I approve of the demotion but not of the distinction. Hopefully more Mets starters will be completing the 7th inning. Frayed Knot Jun 04 2009 07:43 AM ]That's the thing with McLouth -- he's a bit overrated. He's good, but not really great. But legitimately good especially when you factor in 27 y/o and under team control for a while. Yeah, he's not really a superstar and ideally shouldn't be playing CF (despite his gold glove last year) - but compared to what Atlanta's been trotting out in CF this season: .198/.298/.271 with 2 HRs & 8 RBIs!! it's a huge upgrade (ditto when compared to Melky/Gardener). I mean, jeez, Atlanta pitchers have knocked in 6 in barely half the ABs. Braves, meanwhile, have re-demoted Jordan Schaefer and his 2 Ks/game bat. ]As for McLouth, I don't think it was a lack of money so much as the right trade at the right time ... I want this trade to break for the Buccos, but I think it has a good chance of doing that. I dunno. I'd opt for fair chance at best. Morton's already 25 and crashed in his not-so-brief trial last season. Doesn't mean he's destined to failure but I don't think he's a real high-upside guy. Hernandez is supposedly your classic speedy/slappy CF-type w/lots of speed and a real good glove but almost no power. Sounds like a guy who'll live or die on his OBP. He also sounds like a lesser version of their own prospect Andrew McCutcheon who the trade supposedly cleared room for. Locke is in Low-A ball. ]I think the Mets should sign Glavine just to aggravate everyone. That's the front office's main goal right? John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 04 2009 07:55 AM I predict PNC will soon be known as Gorkys Park. MFS62 Jun 04 2009 08:11 AM When I heard "Morton" I immediately thought it was this guy: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mortoca01.shtml And wondered how the Braves were still able to trade him. Later LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 04 2009 08:39 AM ="Frayed Knot"]]That's the thing with McLouth -- he's a bit overrated. He's good, but not really great. But legitimately good especially when you factor in 27 y/o and under team control for a while. Yeah, he's not really a superstar and ideally shouldn't be playing CF (despite his gold glove last year) - but compared to what Atlanta's been trotting out in CF this season: .198/.298/.271 with 2 HRs & 8 RBIs!! it's a huge upgrade (ditto when compared to Melky/Gardener). I mean, jeez, Atlanta pitchers have knocked in 6 in barely half the ABs. Braves, meanwhile, have re-demoted Jordan Schaefer and his 2 Ks/game bat. He's got significant power (ISOs of .210-.220 the last two years) that's just starting to develop. He's got decent plate awareness and patience (a rising walk rate that's just a shade above 11 percent). He plays a credible-- if not "Gold Glove"-quality-- outfield. And he runs a bit, with good baserunning instincts (20 steals each of the past two years, with a lifetime 93 percent rate). In essence, he'll be a poor man's-- maybe "homeless man's" would be more accurate-- Beltran for them. I'm with FK on the odds of this working out for Pittsburgh. But hell, if you're going nowhere, might as well pan for gold, right? Edgy DC Jun 04 2009 08:41 AM Well, in cases like Aramis Ramirez, sometimes the Pirates haven't known that the pan itself was golden, but I'm still hopeful. metirish Jun 04 2009 08:50 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":3c1ay6lb]I predict PNC will soon be known as Gorkys Park.[/quote:3c1ay6lb] Love it....his at bat music should be the whistling from "Winds of Change" G-Fafif Jun 04 2009 12:48 PM ="metirish":2oy3itk5]="John Cougar Lunchbucket":2oy3itk5]I predict PNC will soon be known as Gorkys Park.[/quote:2oy3itk5] Love it....his at bat music should be the whistling from "Winds of Change"[/quote:2oy3itk5] But will he rock Pittsburgh like a hurricane? Frayed Knot Jun 04 2009 01:22 PM ]I'm with FK on the odds of this working out for Pittsburgh. But hell, if you're going nowhere, might as well pan for gold, right? That's essentially what they've been doing for the last year or so; going for decent up-side, though hardly guaranteed prospects - Jose Tabata as the main bait for Nady - Andy LaRoche for Bay - and now Gorkys Hernandez for McLouth plus some spare pitching parts thrown in on the side. If they all live up to their potential things could work out real nice for them. If not ... One thing they will have if/when Gorkys comes up is a nice relay team in their outfield: McCutchon, Morgan & Hernandez They might have a HR total for the season that's in single digits but they'll probably save a bunch of runs.

His contract was $1M base plus $3.5M in incentives, all based on time on active roster, starting with a $1M incentive just for making the active roster. Hence the release. They save a lot of dough.

Fuck you, Nyjer Morgan.

Edgy DC wrote: We get one cockpunch-of-a-fumble loss in Pittsburgh every year, right? Sometimes at Shea instead of Pittsburgh, but yes. There was a thread about it where I documented them but I can't find it. Seems to me it happened during the offseason but it's gotta be in the archives somewhere.

Every year, a fucking Pirates game...

He does have 7 homers, more than anyone on the Mets has.

Castillo 2B Martinez RF Beltran CF Sheffield LF Wright 3B Murphy 1B Valdez SS Schneider C Hernandez P

Alex Cora is coming back on Tuesday as well, so that's one roster spot there.

="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":6yn42k0u]The Maine trade aside, this team has very rarely received max value for its resources in trade.[/quote:6yn42k0u] I think they traded high on Jae Seo; Mulvey/Humber/Gomez; Mike Jacobs and possibly Yusmerio Petit as well. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 31 2009 07:04 PM ="Gwreck":8dyaa9rn]="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":8dyaa9rn]The Maine trade aside, this team has very rarely received max value for its resources in trade.[/quote:8dyaa9rn] I think they traded high on Jae Seo; Mulvey/Humber/Gomez; Mike Jacobs and possibly Yusmerio Petit as well.[/quote:8dyaa9rn] Forgot about those. Those were pretty big. (For whatever reason, Santana and Delgado have stuck in the quick-sorting portion of my Met brain as FA signings.) PiggiesTomatoes May 31 2009 09:08 PM It's not just the Mets that have a weak foundation, look through the minors. Aside from a Fartinez and a couple of arms, there's no pipeline for talent either, unless you think you can poach it from other organizations. Hell, what a colossal scramble to find an adequate replacement at SS while Jose heals. I don't think there's a set of metrics you could define in which Omar rates well. I sure have no love lost for Willie R., but the way his departure was handled was also an incredible cluster f. These are all reflections on Omar and Prince Jeff. If he didn't look so much like his dad, I'd sware he was a Dolan. Edgy DC May 31 2009 10:01 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 01 2009 11:24 AM This is getting desperately silly. On the Mets system --- where do they rank? What does "There's no pipeline for talent" mean? Aren't they all pipelines for talent? A "couple of arms"? Arms are valuable things. And many observers didn't have Martinez as the top hitting prospect in the Mets system, so I don't think that "aside from a Fartinez and a couple of arms" comment is true. No more true than of many other systems. As for decrying the scarcity of talent in the Mets system, that's a strange thing to call a GM out for in thread about a trade that adds minor league talent. "Collosal scramble to find talent at shortstop." How many teams kick back happily when their top two shortstops go down with injuries? What's the collosal scramble? They promoted one guy and acquired another. What "metrics" are you using to define Omar Minaya's rating? Are you really aware of several different metrics to rate general managers? There was nothing wrong with the way Willie Randolph was fired. A game ended and he was fired after it. I don't know why this keeps coming up. It's such a non-issue apart from your agenda. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 01 2009 06:01 AM They went 19-9 in May (there's a metric) while missing almost half the roster wtih injuries and getting valuable contributions from guys Omar picked up on the cheap such as Cora, Reed, Hernandez, Sheffield, Parnell, Santos, etc. I'm no Omariphile, but the only duds the guy's set off since last year are Ollie (who's been hurt) and I suppose, Green. Thole looks like he just might hit enough to be next year's catcher. Benjamin Grimm Jun 01 2009 09:12 AM http://www.omirsantos.com/ metsmarathon Jun 01 2009 09:20 AM um, yeah, i clicked on that link and got this message: ]The site you have requested has been blocked by the CONUS TNOSC due to hostile content. metsmarathon Jun 01 2009 09:21 AM that's the CONtinental US Theater Network Operations and Security Center... i don't know what's on that website, really, but now i'm very curious. also wary. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 01 2009 09:24 AM It's one of those sites supported 90% by ticket broker and gambling ads Benjamin Grimm Jun 01 2009 09:28 AM Yeah, it's packed with ads. It opens with this big fat paragraph: (I tend not to read big fat paragraphs.) I found out about it from an e-mail requesting a link exchange. ]OMIR GOODNESS! HE DOES IT AGAIN!! HOW CAN YOU SEND HIM DOWN WITH HIM PLAYING LIKE A ROCKSTAR?...SIMPLE, YOU CAN'T! NEW YORK -- Omir Santos was supposed to go back to the minors once Brian Schneider came off the disabled list. The catcher played so well that he forced the New York Mets to change their plans. Santos hit a game-ending single in the 11th inning and also homered in the fifth, leading New York to a 2-1 victory over the Florida Marlins on Friday night. Santos was rewarded after the game when the Mets traded backup catcher Ramon Castro and about $1.4 million to the Chicago White Sox for right-hander Lance Broadway, ensuring the rookie will stay with the club when Schneider is activated Saturday. � Mets trade Castro to White Sox "On a night like tonight, when Omir Santos plays the way he has, it makes the decision easy for us," said general manager Omar Minaya, who acknowledged being surprised by Santos' speedy progress. Gary Sheffield led off the 11th with a single to left off Brian Sanches (1-1), who threw over to first several times to check on the aging slugger with David Wright up. After Wright struck out -- smashing his bat when he reached the dugout -- Sheffield stole second and went to third when Ronny Paulino's errant throw went into center field. "We knew that he was trying to inch off and take a bag there," Marlins manager Fredi Gonzalez said. "He still has that capability in him. We just threw the ball away. We threw the ball out of the infield, and got ourselves in a situation nobody wants to be in." Edgy DC Jun 01 2009 09:36 AM ="metsmarathon":3gno5t9q]that's the CONtinental US Theater Network Operations and Security Center... i don't know what's on that website, really, but now i'm very curious. also wary.[/quote:3gno5t9q] I saw this in a Matthew Broderick movie. The codeword JOSHUA should get you around their security. Benjamin Grimm Jun 01 2009 09:39 AM Before shutting down the page, I scrolled down and found this: ] We are big fans of Omir Santos and purchased the rights to this domain in the instance that Mr. Santos would like his own website for fans to enjoy. We would be thrilled if Mr. Santos would contact us in regards to acquiring this domain. Given his contract amount, we did not want a corporate conglomerate to take advantage of Mr. Santos. We await your contact, in the meantime, "Let's Go Mets!!" themetfairy Jun 01 2009 09:49 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":q4spi60n]http://www.omirsantos.com/[/quote:q4spi60n] Don't click the link unless you've already consumed plenty of coffee.... PiggiesTomatoes Jun 01 2009 05:51 PM ="Edgy DC"]What "metrics" are you using to define Omar Minaya's rating? Are you really aware of several different metrics to rate general managers? Wins, losses, trophies organizational talent rankings (last item is surely subjective). Measured against the above criteria, Omar has underperformed. He, along with Bernazard and Johnson, has failed to create a sound organizational foundation. I love the Mets, though, and have for going on 40 years. We can agree to disagree. I appreciate your perspective and have no intention into getting into a point-for-point back and forth. You know what they say about arguing on the Internet. ;-) Edgy DC Jun 01 2009 06:01 PM OK, so you claim wins as a metric in your first sentence and then close with a graphic claiming wins are irrelevant. I'm no Minaya cheerleader. But I do want to deal in facts. What organziational rankings are we referring to? It just seems clearly from this transaction that he's set up to lose no matter (a) which transaction he chose, ( which catcher he moved, and (c) how it shakes out. The guy is being called ugly shit like idiot and moron and the logic is set up so there's no way out of it for him. PiggiesTomatoes Jun 01 2009 06:39 PM No mas. You win.

Apparently they were playing Sweet Caroline in the 5th inning on Saturday.

Maine 3.25 Feliciano 1.25 Rodriguez 1 Pagan 1 FMartinez 1 Santos 1 Valdez .5 Castillo .5 Parnell .5

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