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[th]Player[/th][th]Franchise[/th][th]Rank[/th] [th]WAR[/th][td]Willie Mays[/td][td]Giants[/td][td]1[/td][td]156.4[/td][td]Warren Spahn[/td][td]Braves[/td][td]3[/td][td]91.9[/td][td]Rickey Henderson[/td][td]Athletics[/td][td]2[/td][td]72.7[/td][td]Duke Snider[/td][td]Dodgers[/td][td]4[/td][td]65.4[/td][td]Eddie Murray[/td][td]Orioles[/td][td]4[/td][td]56.4[/td][td]Gary Carter[/td][td]Expos/Nationals[/td][td]1[/td][td]55.8[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]2[/td][td][/td][td]Jim Fregosi[/td][td]Angels[/td][td]3[/td][td]45.9[/td][td]Amos Otis[/td][td]Royals[/td][td]3[/td][td]44.8[/td][td]Bret Saberhagen[/td][td]Royals[/td][td]5[/td][td]40.7[/td][td]Max Scherzer[/td][td]Expos/Nationals[/td][td]5[/td][td]40.3[/td][td]Nolan Ryan[/td][td]Angels[/td][td]5[/td][td]40.0[/td][td]Jose Bautista[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]3[/td][td]38.4[/td][td]Tony Fernandez[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]4[/td][td]37.5[/td][td]Carlos Delgado[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]5[/td][td]36.8[/td][td]Luis Castillo[/td][td]Marlins[/td][td]4[/td][td]22.4[/td] Not on the list: Boyer, #6 for the Cardinals Ashburn, #7 for the Phillies Berra, #7 for the Yankees Martinez, #8 for the Red Sox (also #22 for the Expos/Nationals) Glavine, #9 for the Braves Cano, #9 for the Mariners (also #21 for the Yankees) Verlander, #9 for the Tigers (also #22 for the Astros) Randy Jones, #11 for the Padres Soto, #14 for the Expos/Nationals (also #69 for the Padres) Conine, #16 for the Marlins Sheffield, #17 for the Marlins Santana, #17 for the Twins Piazza, #28 for the Dodgers Kent, #31 for the Giants R. Alomar, #54 for the Guardians (also #16 for the Blue Jays and #33 for the Padres) Could’ve Appeared Multiple Times on a Long List: Ryan is also #20 for the Astros and #30 for the Rangers Rickey is also #38 for the Yankees Scherzer is also #42 for the Tigers

Rusty is #23 for the Expos (and #49 for the Astros).

[th]Player[/th][th]Franchise[/th][th]Rank[/th] [th]WAR[/th][td]Willie Mays[/td][td]Giants[/td][td]1[/td][td]156.4[/td][td]Warren Spahn[/td][td]Braves[/td][td]3[/td][td]91.9[/td][td]Rickey Henderson[/td][td]Athletics[/td][td]2[/td][td]72.7[/td][td]Duke Snider[/td][td]Dodgers[/td][td]4[/td][td]65.4[/td][td]Eddie Murray[/td][td]Orioles[/td][td]4[/td][td]56.4[/td][td]Gary Carter[/td][td]Expos/Nationals[/td][td]1[/td][td]55.8[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]2[/td][td][/td][td]Jim Fregosi[/td][td]Angels[/td][td]3[/td][td]45.9[/td][td]Amos Otis[/td][td]Royals[/td][td]3[/td][td]44.8[/td][td]Bret Saberhagen[/td][td]Royals[/td][td]5[/td][td]40.7[/td][td]Max Scherzer[/td][td]Expos/Nationals[/td][td]5[/td][td]40.3[/td][td]Nolan Ryan[/td][td]Angels[/td][td]5[/td][td]40.0[/td][td]Jose Bautista[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]3[/td][td]38.4[/td][td]Tony Fernandez[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]4[/td][td]37.5[/td][td]Carlos Delgado[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]5[/td][td]36.8[/td][td]Luis Castillo[/td][td]Marlins[/td][td]4[/td][td]22.4[/td] Not on the list: Ashburn, #7 for the Phillies Berra, #7 for the Yankees Martinez, #8 for the Red Sox (also #22 for the Expos/Nationals) Glavine, #9 for the Braves Cano, #9 for the Mariners (also #21 for the Yankees) Verlander, #9 for the Tigers (also #22 for the Astros) Soto, #14 for the Expos/Nationals (also #69 for the Padres) Conine, #16 for the Marlins Sheffield, #17 for the Marlins Piazza, #28 for the Dodgers Kent, #31 for the Giants R. Alomar, #54 for the Guardians (also #16 for the Blue Jays and #33 for the Padres) Could’ve Appeared Multiple Times on a Long List: Ryan is also #20 for the Astros and #30 for the Rangers Rickey is also #38 for the Yankees Scherzer is also #42 for the Tigers

[th]Player[/th][th]Franchise[/th][th]Rank[/th] [th]WAR[/th][td]Willie Mays[/td][td]Giants[/td][td]1[/td][td]156.4[/td][td]Warren Spahn[/td][td]Braves[/td][td]3[/td][td]91.9[/td][td]Rickey Henderson[/td][td]Athletics[/td][td]2[/td][td]72.7[/td][td]Duke Snider[/td][td]Dodgers[/td][td]4[/td][td]65.4[/td][td]Eddie Murray[/td][td]Orioles[/td][td]4[/td][td]56.4[/td][td]Gary Carter[/td][td]Expos/Nationals[/td][td]1[/td][td]55.8[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]2[/td][td][/td][td]Jim Fregosi[/td][td]Angels[/td][td]3[/td][td]45.9[/td][td]Amos Otis[/td][td]Royals[/td][td]3[/td][td]44.8[/td][td]Bret Saberhagen[/td][td]Royals[/td][td]5[/td][td]40.7[/td][td]Max Scherzer[/td][td]Expos/Nationals[/td][td]5[/td][td]40.3[/td][td]Nolan Ryan[/td][td]Angels[/td][td]5[/td][td]40.0[/td][td]Jose Bautista[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]3[/td][td]38.4[/td][td]Tony Fernandez[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]4[/td][td]37.5[/td][td]Carlos Delgado[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]5[/td][td]36.8[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]4[/td][td][/td] Not on the list: Ashburn, #7 for the Phillies Berra, #7 for the Yankees Martinez, #8 for the Red Sox (also #22 for the Expos/Nationals) Glavine, #9 for the Braves Cano, #9 for the Mariners (also #21 for the Yankees) Verlander, #9 for the Tigers (also #22 for the Astros) Soto, #14 for the Expos/Nationals (also #69 for the Padres) Conine, #16 for the Marlins Sheffield, #17 for the Marlins Piazza, #28 for the Dodgers Kent, #31 for the Giants R. Alomar, #54 for the Guardians (also #16 for the Blue Jays and #33 for the Padres) Could’ve Appeared Multiple Times on a Long List: Ryan is also #20 for the Astros and #30 for the Rangers Rickey is also #38 for the Yankees Scherzer is also #42 for the Tigers

[th]Player[/th][th]Franchise[/th][th]Rank[/th] [th]WAR[/th][td]Willie Mays[/td][td]Giants[/td][td]1[/td][td]156.4[/td][td]Warren Spahn[/td][td]Braves[/td][td]3[/td][td]91.9[/td][td]Rickey Henderson[/td][td]Athletics[/td][td]2[/td][td]72.7[/td][td]Duke Snider[/td][td]Dodgers[/td][td]4[/td][td]65.4[/td][td]Eddie Murray[/td][td]Orioles[/td][td]4[/td][td]56.4[/td][td]Gary Carter[/td][td]Expos/Nationals[/td][td]1[/td][td]55.8[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]2[/td][td][/td][td]Jim Fregosi[/td][td]Angels[/td][td]3[/td][td]45.9[/td][td]Amos Otis[/td][td]Royals[/td][td]3[/td][td]44.8[/td][td]Bret Saberhagen[/td][td]Royals[/td][td]5[/td][td]40.7[/td][td]Max Scherzer[/td][td]Expos/Nationals[/td][td]5[/td][td]40.3[/td][td]Nolan Ryan[/td][td]Angels[/td][td]5[/td][td]40.0[/td][td]Jose Bautista[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]3[/td][td]38.4[/td][td]Tony Fernandez[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]4[/td][td]37.5[/td][td]Carlos Delgado[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]5[/td][td]36.8[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]4[/td][td][/td] Not on the list: Ashburn, #7 for the Phillies Berra, #7 for the Yankees Martinez, #8 for the Red Sox (also #22 for the Expos/Nationals) Glavine, #9 for the Braves Soto, #14 for the Expos/Nationals (also #69 for the Padres) Conine, #16 for the Marlins Sheffield, #17 for the Marlins Piazza, #28 for the Dodgers Kent, #31 for the Giants R. Alomar, #54 for the Guardians (also #16 for the Blue Jays and #33 for the Padres) Could’ve Appeared Twice on a Long List: Ryan is also #20 for the Astros Rickey is also #38 for the Yankees Scherzer is also #42 for the Tigers

[th]Player[/th][th]Franchise[/th][th]Rank[/th] [th]WAR[/th][td]Willie Mays[/td][td]Giants[/td][td]1[/td][td]156.4[/td][td]Warren Spahn[/td][td]Braves[/td][td]3[/td][td]91.9[/td][td]Rickey Henderson[/td][td]Athletics[/td][td]2[/td][td]72.7[/td][td]Duke Snider[/td][td]Dodgers[/td][td]4[/td][td]65.4[/td][td]Eddie Murray[/td][td]Orioles[/td][td]4[/td][td]56.4[/td][td]Gary Carter[/td][td]Expos/Nationals[/td][td]1[/td][td]55.8[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]2[/td][td][/td][td]Jim Fregosi[/td][td]Angels[/td][td]3[/td][td]45.9[/td][td]Amos Otis[/td][td]Royals[/td][td]3[/td][td]44.8[/td][td]Bret Saberhagen[/td][td]Royals[/td][td]5[/td][td]40.7[/td][td]Max Scherzer[/td][td]Expos/Nationals[/td][td]5[/td][td]40.3[/td][td]Nolan Ryan[/td][td]Angels[/td][td]5[/td][td]40.0[/td][td]Jose Bautista[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]3[/td][td]38.4[/td][td]Tony Fernandez[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]4[/td][td]37.5[/td][td]Carlos Delgado[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]5[/td][td]36.8[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]4[/td][td][/td] Not on the list: Ashburn, #7 for the Phillies Berra, #7 for the Yankees Martinez, #8 for the Red Sox (also #22 for the Expos/Nationals) Glavine, #9 for the Braves Soto, #14 for the Expos/Nationals (also #69 for the Padres) Conine, #16 for the Marlins Sheffield, #17 for the Marlins Kent, #31 for the Giants R. Alomar, #54 for the Guardians (also #16 for the Blue Jays and #33 for the Padres)

[th]Player[/th][th]Franchise[/th][th]Rank[/th] [th]WAR[/th][td]Willie Mays[/td][td]Giants[/td][td]1[/td][td]156.4[/td][td]Warren Spahn[/td][td]Braves[/td][td]3[/td][td]91.9[/td][td]Rickey Henderson[/td][td]Athletics[/td][td]2[/td][td]72.7[/td][td]Duke Snider[/td][td]Dodgers[/td][td]4[/td][td]65.4[/td][td]Eddie Murray[/td][td]Orioles[/td][td]4[/td][td]56.4[/td][td]Gary Carter[/td][td]Expos/Nationals[/td][td]1[/td][td]55.8[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]2[/td][td][/td][td]Jim Fregosi[/td][td]Angels[/td][td]3[/td][td]45.9[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]3[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]5[/td][td][/td][td]Bret Saberhagen[/td][td]Royals[/td][td]5[/td][td]40.7[/td][td]Nolan Ryan[/td][td]Angels[/td][td]5[/td][td]40.0[/td][td]Jose Bautista[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]3[/td][td]38.4[/td][td]Tony Fernandez[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]4[/td][td]37.5[/td][td]Carlos Delgado[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]5[/td][td]36.8[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]4[/td][td][/td] Not on the list: Ashburn, #7 for the Phillies Berra, #7 for the Yankees Martinez, #8 for the Red Sox (also #22 for the Expos/Nationals) Glavine, #9 for the Braves Soto, #14 for the Expos/Nationals Conine, #16 for the Marlins Sheffield, #17 for the Marlins Kent, #31 for the Giants R. Alomar, #54 for the Guardians (also #16 for the Blue Jays and #33 for the Padres)

[th]Player[/th][th]Franchise[/th][th]Rank[/th] [th]WAR[/th][td]Willie Mays[/td][td]Giants[/td][td]1[/td][td]156.4[/td][td]Warren Spahn[/td][td]Braves[/td][td]3[/td][td]91.9[/td][td]Rickey Henderson[/td][td]Athletics[/td][td]2[/td][td]72.7[/td][td]Duke Snider[/td][td]Dodgers[/td][td]4[/td][td]65.4[/td][td]Eddie Murray[/td][td]Orioles[/td][td]4[/td][td]56.4[/td][td]Gary Carter[/td][td]Expos/Nationals[/td][td]1[/td][td]55.8[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]2[/td][td][/td][td]Jim Fregosi[/td][td]Angels[/td][td]3[/td][td]45.9[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]3[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]5[/td][td][/td][td]Nolan Ryan[/td][td]Angels[/td][td]5[/td][td]40.0[/td][td]Jose Bautista[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]3[/td][td]38.4[/td][td]Tony Fernandez[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]4[/td][td]37.5[/td][td]Carlos Delgado[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]5[/td][td]36.8[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]4[/td][td][/td] Not on the list: Berra, #7 for the Yankees Glavine, #9 for the Braves Conine, #16 for the Marlins Sheffield, #17 for the Marlins Kent, #31 for the Giants

[th]Player[/th][th]Franchise[/th][th]Rank[/th] [th]WAR[/th][td]Willie Mays[/td][td]Giants[/td][td]1[/td][td]156.4[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]3[/td][td][/td][td]Rickey Henderson[/td][td]Athletics[/td][td]2[/td][td]72.7[/td][td]Duke Snider[/td][td]Dodgers[/td][td]4[/td][td]65.4[/td][td]Eddie Murray[/td][td]Orioles[/td][td]4[/td][td]56.4[/td][td]Gary Carter[/td][td]Expos/Nationals[/td][td]1[/td][td]55.8[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]2[/td][td][/td][td]Jim Fregosi[/td][td]Angels[/td][td]3[/td][td]45.9[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]3[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]5[/td][td][/td][td]Nolan Ryan[/td][td]Angels[/td][td]5[/td][td]40.0[/td][td]Jose Bautista[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]3[/td][td]38.4[/td][td]Tony Fernandez[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]4[/td][td]37.5[/td][td]Carlos Delgado[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]5[/td][td]36.8[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]4[/td][td][/td] Not on the list: Glavine, #9 for the Braves Sheffield, #17 for the Marlins Kent, #31 for the Giants

Glavine is #9 on the Braves’ leaderboard.

Filling in here a bit. Yes, as noted, this does not include the Mets’ own leaders. [th]Player[/th][th]Franchise[/th][th]Rank[/th] [th]WAR[/th][td]Willie Mays[/td][td]Giants[/td][td]1[/td][td]156.4[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]3[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]2[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]4[/td][td][/td][td]Eddie Murray[/td][td]Orioles[/td][td]4[/td][td]56.4[/td][td]Gary Carter[/td][td]Expos/Nationals[/td][td]1[/td][td]55.8[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]2[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]3[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]3[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]5[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]5[/td][td][/td][td]Jose Bautista[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]3[/td][td]38.4[/td][td]Tony Fernandez[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]4[/td][td]37.5[/td][td]Carlos Delgado[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]5[/td][td]36.8[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]4[/td][td][/td]

Bold choice going with the guy already listed on the leaderboard as the example.

Something I came across recently and seems like an enjoyable [CROSSOUT]CPF[/CROSSOUT] GCM/WPM quiz: Can you name the players who are (a) in the top 5 of a franchise’s all-time WAR leaderboard; and ( also played for the Mets at some point in their career? Example: Willie Mays is #1 on the Giants all-time WAR leaderboard. He also played a few games for the Mets. Note: -Franchises (not teams), so Pilots/Brewers, Senators vs. 1/Twins, etc. are a collective unit. No distinction for city moves either. [th]Player[/th][th]Franchise[/th][th]Rank[/th] [th]WAR[/th][td]Willie Mays[/td][td]Giants[/td][td]1[/td][td]156.4[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]3[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]2[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]4[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]4[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]1[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]2[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]3[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]3[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]5[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]5[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]3[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]4[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]5[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]4[/td][td][/td]

Stearns is optimistic that Lindor will be back for Opening Day. Mets haven’t made a right field decision yet. Not much groundbreaking here.

They do not. But this suspension conveniently occured after all the good free agents signed elsewhere. Others Busted twice for PEDs: Manny Ramirez Robinson Cano Guillermo Mota Marlon Byrd Neifi Perez Eliezer Alfonzo Francis Martes Jean Carlos Mejia Jennry Mejia (3x, lifetime ban)

Of course. Perhaps that was imprecise wording on my part. The majority of his career was with that team and that’s the team reflected on his HOF plaque. My number retirement stance is the only persons eligible are (1) HOF player, by the primary team; (2) entire career with team with a reasonable level of excellence.

Sabathia was elected to the Hall of Fame as a Yankee so I don’t see the issue. As for Roger Maris or Paul O’Neill or Andy Pettitte…a bit of a different story.

Vogelbach was actually quite good for the Mets in 2022: .255/.393/.436. Better OPS than Lindor, Marte, or Nimmo.

Oh let’s not forget how bad Tyler Naquin was too.

I don’t really agree with this, and I don’t think the data supports it. Starling missed the last 26 games of the regular season during which the Mets went 16-10 (.615), compared to 85-51 previously (.625). And the Braves had already caught the Mets in the standings at the time of the injury. Could have have made the difference of one more win in that stretch? Sure. But that 2022 team is far better than it gets credit for.

I didn’t recall being unhappy about the Marte signing nor being concerned about the money…although perhaps that is clouded now because the Mets had contemporaneously dumped the contents of a Brinks truck on Scherzer.

There it is. Nicely done everyone.

Correct: Tom Glavine, 2003 Mike Hampton, 2000 Pedro Martinez, 2005 Roger Craig, 1962 Johan Santana, 2008 Clay Holmes, 2025 Incorrect: Max Scherzer Kevin Appier Mark Clark Bret Saberhagen

All of these answers are correct except Scherzer. He was hurt (?)/delayed in starting his season in 2022 and Megill had the opening day start. 2 names left on the board. Correct: Tom Glavine, 2003 Mike Hampton, 2000 Pedro Martinez, 2005 Roger Craig, 1962 Johan Santana, 2008 Incorrect: Max Scherzer