Jay Bruce Traded to Cleveland

[Ceetar]

I read somewhere that they were two prospects that the Mets talked to the Yankees about in July but couldn't find anything about whether it was Yankee offered, or Mets requested. And either way, that deal clearly wasn't good enough on it's own.

imo the mistake Alderson made with Bruce was trading FOR him, and then picking up the option expecting people to want him if/when Conforto proved he would play every day.

[Edgy MD]

RealityChuck wrote: OTOH, the Mets were stupid not to take on some of Bruce's salary and get someone with even more.

It depends. Money has a value in terms of competitiveness too, if and when it's re-invested.

They ate a big chunk of salary when they traded Beltran for Wheeler, for instance, and that's back when the team was operating in something like receivership, so it's not as if they won't or can't do that if the right deal (or what they see as the right deal) is available.

[Frayed Knot]

Bruce PH'd in the 7th and popped out in Cleveland's 4-1 loss to TBR

[Chad ochoseis]

And Duda specializes in two of the three true outcomes, walking twice and striking out three times. The Rays bat him 2nd. Who would've thunk?

[Edgy MD]

Manuel batted him second when he first came up. It's the craziest.

[seawolf17]

Edgy MD wrote: Manuel batted him second when he first came up. It's the craziest.

In Jerry's defense, Lucas WAS a small, banjo-hitting shortstop-type when he first came up.

[Edgy MD]

Nobody's reporting that this is what scuttled any prospective deal, but Bruce did have the Yankees on his no-trade list.

[Chad ochoseis]

The Indians too, I think.

[Ceetar]

yes the Yankees, not the Indians, but supposedly he said (5 days before the trade) that he'd likely accept a trade to a contender on the list.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Well, fair enough, Sandy.

"My responsibility is to get the best deal possible,” Alderson said. “It’s not just a function of two [players] versus one, there are other considerations, including cost. Taking all of that into account, that is the direction we decided to go.”

[Frayed Knot]

Ryan Comma Ryder in his 1st NYM system appearance: 3 runs on 4 hits and a walk in 2 innings as part of a 15-2 Columbia loss.

Oh well.

[seawolf17]

Frayed Knot wrote: Ryan Comma Ryder in his 1st NYM system appearance: 3 runs on 4 hits and a walk in 2 innings as part of a 15-2 Columbia loss. Oh well.

"Major-league-ready."

[Chad ochoseis]

Ceetar wrote: yes the Yankees, not the Indians, but supposedly he said (5 days before the trade) that he'd likely accept a trade to a contender on the list.

I got my info from Cot's, as of 12/15/16. Maybe he had changed the list since then.

From the article LWFS linked to -

Sandy wrote: Certainly dealing with the Yankees would be a factor, just as dealing with the Washington Nationals would be a factor,” Alderson said. “I think it would be foolish for us to say it doesn’t matter, but at the same time is it prohibitive? No.

He also said something similar in the SNY interview a couple of days ago. This may be the stuff of a breakout thread, but this is silly. As much fun as it is to hate the Yanquis, their effect on the Mets' playoff chances is about a micron greater than zero. There are four other teams competing for the NL East and ten others on top of that competing for the NL wild card. Why add more obstacles by worrying about an AL team?

You can make the argument that the Mets and Yankees compete for revenue, but I'd like to see actual numbers on the degree to which Yankee financial success hurts Met financial success before I buy into that. My guess without seeing the numbers is that when the Mets and Yankees are both winning, it's good for NYC area baseball in general and the pie gets much larger.

There was talk - don't remember where - that the Yankee offer wasn't as good as was hinted at by Mark Carig's tweet, which is one thing. But not wanting to deal with the Yankees just because they're the Yankees is a different story.

[Guest d'Kong76]

seawolf17 wrote: "Major-league-ready."

Who needs Montero, Comma!

[Frayed Knot]

The only thing we 'know' about the Yanx offer for Bruce is that there were two bodies instead of just the one we got from Cleveland.
Whether that makes it a better offer or not would be difficult to gauge even if we knew the names which of course we don't, but it's certainly not better simply based on the Yanx saying so.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Jay has hit five homers since he's been with Cleveland, giving him a current season total of 34, which matches his career high set in 2012 with the Reds. For a while it looked like he might make a run at 40 home runs, but with 16 games remaining he'll have to pick up the pace by quite a bit in order to get there.

[Centerfield]

Jay with the GW double last night.

Maybe the rumors that he can't handle playing in Cleveland were overblown.