I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

[G-Fafif]

No connection between biceps tendinitis and lat tear, says Alderson, re non-MRI before yesterday's start.

[G-Fafif]

No similarities to be drawn from Matz lat injury, sez GM.

[G-Fafif]

"I'm not a doctor," Alderson confirms.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I was hospitalized for a few days back in 2004. I remember, each time that the doctor came to talk to me, I would think that I was glad that I didn't have a baseball General Manager explaining what was going on.

[Frayed Knot]

"More a matter of weeks than days" -- Yeah, but are we talking two weeks or fifteen?

"No connection between biceps tendinitis and lat tear" -- Agreed

"No similarities to be drawn from Matz lat injury" -- Meaning this is much less or much worse?

"I'm not a doctor" -- Glad we got that cleared up

[Centerfield]

I know it's not possible, but I feel like I knew more before that update.

On Edit: Meant to be a comment on Sandy's nothingspeak, not FK's reporting skills. Re-read it and thought it sounded unintentionally dicky.

Edited May 1, 2017 by Guest

[G-Fafif]

Sandy being a lawyer and not a doctor chose his words so as to tell no more than he wanted to tell.

[ashie62]

Anyone heard a second opinion from Dr. Jeff Wilpon?

[Frayed Knot]

A few, somewhat more specific, answers:


"... rather than speculate when he'll be back, I think it's going to be a considerable amount of time,"


"It was my decision," [to alllow Syndergaard to pitch] "The MRI was not dismissed out of hand simply because Noah said he wouldn't do it. I sincerely believe that Noah felt that he was fine. There would be no reason for him to say otherwise."


On the idea of looking for pitching from outside the organization: "Yes, this probably accelerates that process, but we have to be realistic about what may be out there,"

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Was Sandy asked about that reality-show clown acting as a strength coach?

[Guest cooby]

That's what I'd like to know

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

No connection between biceps tightness and the lat tearing, says the avowed non-doctor?

But the lat dorsi works to adduct and rotate the upper arm, no? Seems like it would be exactly the kind of injury that outdoor result from adjusting or overcompensating for bicep weirdness. Seems like Chad's article suggests something like that, if'n ah'm reading it c'rect:

The player typically presents with acute pain in the upper arm and posterior axilla, with symptoms most severe during ball release and follow-though. Most commonly there are no pre-existing symptoms related to the latissimus dorsi, but cases of vague posterior tightness and fatigue have been reported leading up to the point of incapacitating injury, subsequently documented to be a latissimus dorsi avulsion. The latissimus dorsi and teres major muscles have been shown through electromyographic analysis to be very active in the late cocking phase of the pitch, continuing throughout acceleration, and moderately active in follow-though as well. The stresses placed on the muscles are understandably much greater in professional pitchers as compared to amateurs. Furthermore, although not yet documented, it has been speculated that pre-existing injuries in professional pitchers may place even higher stresses on latissimus dorsi and teres major muscles, which may be acting to compensate for a glenohumeral internal rotation deficit (GIRD).

[ashie62]

[Centerfield]

I think it's strange that there is no time frame given at all. Not even like a "6-12" weeks type of thing. Matter of weeks could mean 2 to 94.

Also, no other info given about the tear. I guess it's their right not to give any more info than they feel like.

Makes me wonder if he is out for the season, but playing it close to the vest so that they don't undermine their leverage even more in a potential trade.

[Benjamin Grimm]

A doctor was quoted in the Daily News as saying that it takes three to four months. Since it's still early in the season, four full months would have him back by September 1. But the same article mentioned that Steven Matz returned from a similar issue in two months, which would have Noah back in July.

The only conclusion I can draw is: Who knows? We'll have to wait and see.

[Centerfield]

Was it this article Ben?

I don't see the mention of 3-4 months.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/noah-syndergaard-headed-dl-partial-tear-lat-muscle-article-1.3123054

[Benjamin Grimm]

Yes, that's the article. I must have seen a different version. Here's the text that was in the print edition:

According to Dr. Leesa Galatz, chair of the orthopaedics department at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, the usual recovery time for these injuries is "three to four months." "There is a period of rest, followed by progressive strengthening and then a return to throwing," Galatz said Monday afternoon. "It does take some time though. The good news is that most major league pitchers return to the pitching at the same level or better when they do return."

[metirish]

I am posting this article as I think Kepner is an excellent writer but also for the nugget that Tm House( former pitching coach) was going to call David Altchek to talk about Noah.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/01/sports/baseball/new-york-mets-noah-syndergaards-injury.html?rref=collection%2Fbyline%2Ftyler-kepner&action=click&contentCollection=undefined&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection&_r=0

[A Boy Named Seo]

Who the hell knows, but a piece in the Ringer yesterday about how the Mets are a broken mess of shit reminded us that Kershaw tore a lat a couple years ago and was out about 6 weeks.

First, there are worse things for a pitcher to tear than his lat muscle. We know what Tommy John surgery looks like — the pitcher’s out of game action for 12 to 18 months and doesn’t regain full effectiveness for two years. We know that shoulder injuries frequently bring pitchers’ careers to an end. The lat injury has a few variables, not least of which is that Syndergaard’s lats must be the size of a side of beef, and “partial tear” is ambiguous. Clayton Kershaw tore a lat muscle in March 2014 and missed about six weeks before coming back to win not only his third Cy Young in four years, but the NL MVP as well. Roy Halladay tore a lat muscle in 2012 and never pitched effectively in the major leagues again.

[ashie62]

I am posting this article as I think Kepner is an excellent writer but also for the nugget that Tm House( former pitching coach) was going to call David Altchek to talk about Noah. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/01/sports/baseball/new-york-mets-noah-syndergaards-injury.html?rref=collection%2Fbyline%2Ftyler-kepner&action=click&contentCollection=undefined&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection&_r=0

I liked this. The young guns seem more interested in the radar gun than learning how to be a well rounded pitcher. A bunch of guys now hit 100 on the gun and the race is on to be the guy, or group to hit 101 and on.

That can't be healthy for the arm and body.

[Edgy MD]

Reporter: "Terry, did you spot anything in the first that suggested to you there might be something wrong with Syndergaard."

Terry: "He was hitting a hundred, so no. He was hitting a hundred."

Edgy: "Yeah, he was hitting a hundred ... and getting hammered."

[Farmer Ted]

Freaking Barwis. He's to blame!

"You can't pull a muscle if you don't have one" -- Farmer Ted

[metirish]

Ralph used to say, you can't pull fat , he may have been quoting an old manager

[Benjamin Grimm]

I thought that "pulling fat" was an Irish euphemism for masturbation.

[metirish]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I thought that "pulling fat" was an Irish euphemism for masturbation.

[Guest El Segundo Escupidor]

Edgy MD wrote: Have the Mets hired a robot to be their press officer?

m.e.t.b.o.t. finally got off welfare after Trump took office. #MAGA

[ashie62]

LMAO at m.e.t.b.o.t. joke.

From no opinions to Noah getting a second.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/noah-syndergaard-goes-for-second-opinion-and-could-reportedly-miss-three-months/

Edited May 3, 2017 by Guest

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I don't get what's so funny. Guys routinely get second opinions

[ashie62]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I don't get what's so funny. Guys routinely get second opinions

Laughing at the m.e.t.b.o.t. reference.

[Frayed Knot]

I'm sure some are going to seize upon the contradiction of Syndy (with the blond curls) suddenly going from not wanting an examination at all to now wanting an extra one, but that would skip over the
fact that this is a different injury from the one that delayed his start for two days earlier in the week.