Familia arrested // domestic violence

[nymr83]

its really tough because there are multiple angles to this - but lets start with the fact that 99% of us would be OVERJOYED to get 100 days off from work as the only consequence of these allegations - most people would be FIRED.

[ashie62]

Speculation is 30 games.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/6703/jeurys-familia

[Ceetar]

Nymr83 wrote: its really tough because there are multiple angles to this - but lets start with the fact that 99% of us would be OVERJOYED to get 100 days off from work as the only consequence of these allegations - most people would be FIRED.

Then again most employers wouldn't likely find out, especially if the court proceedings end in expungement.

It's tough. I don't really like the idea that MLB can or should play morality police. Especially for something as murky as this. Reyes and Chapman, yes, Chapman was a violent dangerous maniac, and Reyes' situation, while not as deadly and maybe possibly more heat of the moment than serial abuser, still resulted in a hospital visit and damage, by his own hand. We don't seem super sure what happened with Familia.

Where does it end? I mean, does a guy get a speeding ticket and get suspended? or is it only strictly criminal charges? Jason Werth got nothing for reckless driving even though he spent five days in jail. Very little happens for drunk driving arrests.

[Edgy MD]

Ceetar wrote: We don't seem super sure what happened with Familia.

I imagine MLB will have more information at their disposal than we have now.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Somewhere down the line, a big legal shitstorm is going to unfold when a professional athlete is suspended for involvement, or alleged involvement really, in an incident in which there were no criminal findings. Familia's wife is not bound by the CBA or any other MLB rule, and is not obligated to cooperate with MLB's investigation of this alleged incident. It appears that either nothing happened here, or the Familias are closing ranks to make it appear as if nothing happened so that Jeurys could either avoid or minimize a suspension and all of the negative consequences that would flow to the Familias from that suspension, including, obviously, loss of income.

[Benjamin Grimm]

So when are we going to find out if Familia is suspended, and for how long? The criminal case was dismissed a while ago. The commissioner's office really needs to get this settled so the Mets can know how their bullpen will be affected for the 2017 season.

[Ceetar]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: So when are we going to find out if Familia is suspended, and for how long? The criminal case was dismissed a while ago. The commissioner's office really needs to get this settled so the Mets can know how their bullpen will be affected for the 2017 season.

yeah, the league really needs to codify this better with better timelines. It's only a matter of time before someone actually fights the suspension (although the Union might be spineless in regards to this stuff) on the grounds that "I literally did nothing wrong it's all a misunderstanding you have no right to suspend me that violates the terms of our contract and I'm now a free agent fuck you"

[Edgy MD]

That may be part of the issue.

Aroldis Chapman and (I think) José Reyes agreed to their suspensions despite the lack of cooperation from a complainant/victim. Perhaps Familia isn't being as accommodating, which puts them in the position of wondering how much authority they have to rule outright.

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: That may be part of the issue. Aroldis Chapman and (I think) José Reyes agreed to their suspensions despite the lack of cooperation from a complainant/victim. Perhaps Familia isn't being as accommodating, which puts them in the position of wondering how much authority they have to rule outright.

I feel like we'd hear about that though. I think they dragged their feet a while on Reyes too, people just assumed it was because the policy was new and they were debating.

[Edgy MD]

We do hear about it. There's just nothing much new to note.

[Centerfield]

I think this is a very tricky subject for MLB. I understand that MLB is not bound by the burden of proof necessary for a criminal conviction (beyond a reasonable doubt). I'm fine with that. But they cannot be allowed to suspend a player and deprive them of income simply because they suspect that something happened without sufficient evidence.

The DV laws are designed to encourage arrests and be overbroad. There are many reasons behind this, all of which I support. But then a further investigation must be done. The results of that further investigation are critical to whether MLB should be allowed to suspend.

In my opinion, MLB should at least find, by a preponderance of the evidence (the non-criminal burden of proof in most cases), that DV has occurred before they can punish. I think that in both the Chapman and Reyes cases, this was the case. If they are invoking punishments without even meeting this level then I think their punishments are arbitrary.

For Familia, if the reports are true, it appeared that the Judge and prosecution came to the affirmative conclusion that no domestic violence occurred. That is a big, big difference than charges being dropped because there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute.

I don't know if MLB is able to access the Court files. But an affirmative ruling by the Court would seem to indicate that no suspension should be warranted.

I would fight like hell if I were Familia.

(Unless the reports are wrong, and he did actually hit his wife. Then MLB should suspend him and he should accept it.)

[Ceetar]

I think they should just suspend him for 'drunk and disorderly conduct' and make up some b.s. about representing the game/league/etc.

Less murky that way. Chapman fired a gun outside his house. that definitely warrants punishment. I don't know what the laws are in his neck of the woods but I'd really hope firing shots in anger in public are not acceptable things.

[Centerfield]

If you're going to suspend for drunk and disorderly conduct you are going to end up suspending half the league.

And most of the fans.

Some tipsy guy was even rumored to have run into Fran Healy while walking out of Shea Stadium and telling him, despite years of complaining about him, that he was the best announcer in the world.

[Ceetar]

Centerfield wrote: If you're going to suspend for drunk and disorderly conduct you are going to end up suspending half the league. And most of the fans. Some tipsy guy was even rumored to have run into Fran Healy while walking out of Shea Stadium and telling him, despite years of complaining about him, that he was the best announcer in the world.

well, one's that get the police called and such probably cuts that down a bunch.

[Guest cooby]

Centerfield wrote: If you're going to suspend for drunk and disorderly conduct you are going to end up suspending half the league. And most of the fans. Some tipsy guy was even rumored to have run into Fran Healy while walking out of Shea Stadium and telling him, despite years of complaining about him, that he was the best announcer in the world.

CF did you mention that you have a cyber friend that thinks he's hot as hell?

[Frayed Knot]

NYDN: "Baseball will make a decision on Jeurys Familia by Opening Day, MLB commish Rob Manfred said Friday."

Well that's helpful.

[Edgy MD]

You see, this is why Hamlet wanted to stab himself.

[Lefty Specialist]

Well, that's ridiculous. You don't wait until the last minute to suspend him (or not). The Mets have to plan their season. If they're missing Familia for a month, other people get tried out in different roles in Spring Training. If they're not, they go about things normally.

What this means is that their investigation has reached a dead end, and they're probably putting some pressure on the Mets to put pressure in turn on Familia & friends to cooperate.

[Centerfield]

Lefty Specialist wrote: Well, that's ridiculous. You don't wait until the last minute to suspend him (or not). The Mets have to plan their season. If they're missing Familia for a month, other people get tried out in different roles in Spring Training. If they're not, they go about things normally. What this means is that their investigation has reached a dead end, and they're probably putting some pressure on the Mets to put pressure in turn on Familia & friends to cooperate.

If it's hit a dead end you can't suspend. Agreed on this. Inexcusable.

[ashie62]

If he didn't hit you must acquit.

[Frayed Knot]

So the legal system has run its course, we're within two weeks of the opening of the season, the DR has been eliminated from the WBC, and we still don't have a decision from the commish's office
on what, if any, suspension JF is going to be hit with to start the year.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: So the legal system has run its course, we're within two weeks of the opening of the season, the DR has been eliminated from the WBC, and we still don't have a decision from the commish's office on what, if any, suspension JF is going to be hit with to start the year.

he reported back and had a press conference yesterday. So I expect we'll hear today, now that he's clearly just a random Mets player and not in any way representing MLB and showcasing the sport on an international stage. There's no hypocrisy there. move along.