Trading Season Stuff

[batmagadanleadoff]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I buy into the idea that the Mets already have the offensive pieces to contend, and that it's just a matter of those pieces playing up to their reasonable expectations, which they clearly haven't so far for the most part.

This assumes that the starting pitching'll hold up. You know who and who and who I'm talking about.

[seawolf17]

ahem.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/batting/split/185/sort/avg/order/true

[seawolf17]

seawolf17 wrote: ahem. http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/batting/split/185/sort/avg/order/true

Hell, you can even take the "two outs" out of the equation.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/batting/split/39/sort/avg/order/true

[Guest d'Kong76]

Edgy MD wrote: Last I heard, perhaps a week ago, the 1969 San Diego Padres were the last team to struggle so mightily with RISP.

So it's at least historical in the sense that no league champion has sucked so
bad in RISP for a long long time. Gary, can you please make inquiries for us?

[Ceetar]

This is only the 5th worst, by OPS, season for the Mets batting with RISP. They're at .616

Of course, it's also the 12th worse all time (since about 1914 or so)

The record for lowest OPS with RISP in a season was the '68 Mets with .563.

.598 in '62

.602 in '81
.611 in '63

Those are different offensive eras though. If you sort by sOPS+ the Mets lose the bottom spot. '69 Padres had a 62 OPS+, '62 Mets had a 63, and third is the 2016 Mets with a 65.

[ashie62]

The Yankees prize is an OF Gleyber Torres

Torres, 19, is hitting .275/.359/.433 in High Class A. He was recently ranked the 27th best prospect by Baseball America and the 34th best prospect by Baseball Prospectus. Torres' combination of three potential plus tools -- with power being his lone substandard one -- and polish makes him an intriguing piece. It's unclear who else the Cubs might be sending to the Bronx, but Torres seems like a good start to the Yankees' rebuild.

[Ceetar]

Ashie62 wrote: The Yankees prize is an OF Gleyber Torres Torres, 19, is hitting .275/.359/.433 in High Class A. He was recently ranked the 27th best prospect by Baseball America and the 34th best prospect by Baseball Prospectus. Torres' combination of three potential plus tools -- with power being his lone substandard one -- and polish makes him an intriguing piece. It's unclear who else the Cubs might be sending to the Bronx, but Torres seems like a good start to the Yankees' rebuild.

Warren goes to the Yankees, Torres and Crawford to Single A Tampa, and McKinney to AA Trenton.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Ceetar wrote: This is only the 5th worst, by OPS, season for the Mets batting with RISP. They're at .616 Of course, it's also the 12th worse all time (since about 1914 or so) The record for lowest OPS with RISP in a season was the '68 Mets with .563. .598 in '62 .602 in '81 .611 in '63 Those are different offensive eras though. If you sort by sOPS+ the Mets lose the bottom spot. '69 Padres had a 62 OPS+, '62 Mets had a 63, and third is the 2016 Mets with a 65.

bbrdotcom, or something else?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

That does seem like a real haul for FA to be.

Somebody mentioned however that the Cardinals haven't score a single run off Chapman for something like 3 years.

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

No backlash in Chicago over Chapman's domestic violence issues?

[Ceetar]

d'Kong76 wrote: Ceetar wrote: This is only the 5th worst, by OPS, season for the Mets batting with RISP. They're at .616 Of course, it's also the 12th worse all time (since about 1914 or so) The record for lowest OPS with RISP in a season was the '68 Mets with .563. .598 in '62 .602 in '81 .611 in '63 Those are different offensive eras though. If you sort by sOPS+ the Mets lose the bottom spot. '69 Padres had a 62 OPS+, '62 Mets had a 63, and third is the 2016 Mets with a 65. bbrdotcom, or something else?

yeah, baseball reference play index.

[Frayed Knot]

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: No backlash in Chicago over Chapman's domestic violence issues?

I doubt it. He's a rental who both didn't commit the act under their watch and likely won't be around past this season.
If anything, Cubs fans might be wondering why their mgmt didn't pick up Chapman back in the beginning of the year when they would have only had to give up shit prospects to get him.



oe: And maybe Cincy fans are suddenly thinking that their mgmt acted too rashly and should have held onto him longer.

[Edgy MD]

Melvin Upton, Jr., you're a Toronto Blue Jay.

[ashie62]

Thats one big B.J. for Toronto.

[seawolf17]

More Padre ABs for Travis Jankowski. I approve of this trade.

[Edgy MD]

“I have regret, because I play 33 times a year at most in the regular season. So I put a lot of emphasis on when I play and I take a lot of pride in work that I do. When I can’t or don’t do that, yeah, I have disappointment in myself for not being there for my guys. Do I regret standing up for what I believe in? Absolutely not. Do I regret saying business should not be first before winning? Absolutely not.”

Chris Sale entering the Guinness Book of World Records for most up-your-ass non-apology ever.

[bmfc1]

Sale surpassed the typical non-apology apology "if you were offended, I apologize".

[Frayed Knot]

He also went on to put a bunch of the blame on Ventura, saying that he's the guy who should be protecting the players from these sorts of 'money over winning' schemes by mgmt.

[Edgy MD]

It's just a freakin' shirt, dude.

[TransMonk]

This incident (plus the Sox mediocrity) has intensified the whispers that Robin won't be asked to continue managing in Chicago after the end of the year.

[Edgy MD]

I guess two player revolts in a year over what should be housekeeping issues looks bad for Robin, but maybe Sale's just a jerk.

I think that's why they make pitchers run on their days off. Otherwise, they just spend four restless days imagining they know more than everybody.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

I mean, he got angry. He didn't cut A shirt. He waited until BP, then cut ALL of the shirts. Over the course of however long it takes to cut all the shirts. Whatever beef he has with management, it's pretty hefty, and likely well-aged. He's not long for Chicago (even if it waits until the offseason).

On a less fraught note, a good old fashioned Challenge TradeTM: struggling old Nat/current Jay reliever Drew Storen heads to Seattle in exchange for scuffling Joaquin Benoit.

[ashie62]

J. Giglio from what is left of the Star Ledger maintains the Mets are talking to the Brewers about Lucroy. This goes against what S.A. said but trade chatter is mostly cat and mouse anyway.

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

Would Lucroy even be much of an update over Travis? I could see, maybe, if we were getting a reliever in the deal.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Guys On The Internet think its a multiple players deal where wed also get LHRP Will Smith. Apparently Darnaud,Zimmo and a prospect going away.

[TransMonk]

Lucroy's 2016 WAR is higher than Cespedes'. And he has been consistently producing for a few years now.



I'm missing how Lucroy wouldn't be a significant upgrade over d'Arnaud.

[TransMonk]

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[Zvon]

Including what he brings behind the plate as well, very significant IMO. At least as it stands now. If Travis can start to block pitches properly and throw a few guys out we wouldn't even be considering this move. I like lil d' too, but it's crunch time and he ain't cutting' it.

[Frayed Knot]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Guys On The Internet think its a multiple players deal where wed also get LHRP Will Smith. Apparently Darnaud,Zimmo and a prospect going away.

I don't like the direction this seems to be heading.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

thinking now some of the speculation had to do with the Mets being slow to announce lineup; turns out that could have been Ruggiano related. Who knows.

btw pouring here. will be a challenge to grill fish tonite