What's next for Harvey?

[Guest themetfairy]

From Mets Twitter -

Harvey was seen by #Mets doctors and has been referred to Dr. Thompson in St. Louis for further examination set to take place on Thursday.

[Guest d'Kong76]

15 day DL, shoulder discomfort.

[ashie62]

Poop.

That really stretches the Starting pitching.

Can we trade Reyes for a pitcher?

[ashie62]

To be tested for arterial blockage. Same possible issue as Gee and Cone.

From the Dark Knight to this.

[soupcan]

And if it's blocked they unblock it and - PRESTO! - the Dark Knight Returns!

[Guest cooby]

Ya know, this wheeler dude is a complete intangible for me. Harvey seems a little young for these problems he's having but aren't we all.

I think wheeler should be trade bait.

[Edgy MD]

soupcan wrote: And if it's blocked they unblock it and - PRESTO! - the Dark Knight Returns!

Well, in Cone's case, it was the majority of the year missed.

[Guest d'Kong76]

G-Fafif wrote: Placed on the DL with shoulder discomfort. Lugo up.

Sorry, in my haste I missed last scoop on previous page.

[soupcan]

Edgy MD wrote: soupcan wrote: And if it's blocked they unblock it and - PRESTO! - the Dark Knight Returns! Well, in Cone's case, it was the majority of the year missed.

Cone had a 'clot', Harvey's got a 'block'. Totally different word.

[Frayed Knot]

soupcan wrote: soupcan wrote: And if it's blocked they unblock it and - PRESTO! - the Dark Knight Returns! Well, in Cone's case, it was the majority of the year missed. Cone had a 'clot', Harvey's got a 'block'. Totally different word.

Oh good, For a second there I thought he might have had an obstruction or, even worse, a clog.

[Lefty Specialist]

[Benjamin Grimm]

From this article, it looks like there's a good chance he's done for the year:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/matt-harvey-shoulder-dr-robert-thompson-article-1.2701775

The best hope, it seems, is that he has a herniated disc that's responsive to an injection.

[seawolf17]

Shoulda traded him this offseason. Oh well.

[Frayed Knot]

Elbow injuries -- and specifically TJ surgury -- have gotten all the publicity in recent years, but shoulders are a lot more complicated.

[soupcan]

Lefty Specialist wrote:

Exactly.



So I was watching and listening to sports programs and sports radio and all these goons are saying that there's 'no way' the Mets can get back to the WS without a top-notch Harvey. Because, they rationalize, that last year the Mets had the luxury of of being able to put Colon and whoever else in the bullpen while their upper echelon guys were given the starts. Without Harvey, they are now short of a top-flight starter so they won't be in that position.

Am I mistaken or is Zack Wheeler not expected back this month? And if healthy - no reason to believe he won't be - doesn't Wheeler sort of slot right in to Harvey's spot? And if so, doesn't that then allow the Mets to set up a possible postseason staff in a similar way to last year? Granted, there's a few assumptions but even so, not one of these supposed sports media 'professionals' even mentioned Wheeler.

They all seem to be harping on the doom and gloom aspect of this. On SNY they even had a doctor (may have been the actual guy that they consulted on Harv, if not the guy thats seeing him today) and this guy even said that its a distinct possibility that this could be fixed with a relatively minor proceedure. He also said that it may be a more significant proceedure invloving the removal of a rib. But again - even if its that dire, the Doc said that he performed THAT proceedure on Josh Beckett and Beckett came back just fine. Kenny Rogers too!

Why they gotta be so negative man?

I'm looking at this as a good thing. If in fact the Thoracic Outlet Syndrome is causing Harvey numbness, it probably explains everything. His velocity is fine, its his feel for the ball which he says his resulting in his problems with location. Get the Roto-Rooter truck working and Lets Go!

[Guest d'Kong76]

seawolf17 wrote: Shoulda traded him this offseason. Oh well.

Phwamo!

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, I'm trying to see this as a blessing. Who needs a glum, miserable, and ineffective Harvey hanging over the team like a tobacco-spitting storm cloud?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

NY Post's Kevin Kernan was interviewed on the FAN this morning and I thought shared a surprising amount of insight about Hovvey. Paraphrasing, he says he feels Harvey would continue to encounter issues physical or non-physical, until or unless he learns to stop taking himself so seriously and get into a frame of mind where he can enjoy the whole act of competing as a baseball player. He mentioned for instance that it isn't just a matter of communicating through the "Players Tribune" or refusing to take questions from writers, but not even saying hello to them. Kernan feels that this behavior has put Harvey in a bubble that has estranged him even from teammates, and that he is hyper sensitive to criticism and can't relax.

This all rung very true to me as an observer: His demeanor was exciting to watch when he was going well but it cannot be the only thing he has going for him when his skills slide or the going gets rough.

Anyway, I was rooting for a disabled list assignment from the start of this poll (and advocated a trade way back when but that ship sailed). I think a break is exactly what Harvey needs, and surgery to remove his head from his ass is long overdue.

[Vic Sage]

i've never seen that type of surgery work before. I think it should be at the top of medical research's "to do" list.

[Ceetar]

Personally I take nothing from Kernan's armchair psychiatrist act, especially when he mentions the media interactions. Maybe Harvey's wound too tight, wouldn't be the first guy, but plenty of guys actually thrive that way. Double-standard. I'd need to hear something beyond "I think he needs to loosen up" before I believed it was causing issues, especially in the wake of an actual medical issue that seems like it has a much larger chance of causing mental or physical harm.


Or maybe he should let loose like his idol Jeter and demand apologies for tweeting about tickets he gets.

[Guest cooby]

Vic Sage wrote: i've never seen that type of surgery work before. I think it should be at the top of medical research's "to do" list.

Yeah

[soupcan]

Ceetar wrote: Personally I take nothing from Kernan's armchair psychiatrist act, especially when he mentions the media interactions. Maybe Harvey's wound too tight, wouldn't be the first guy, but plenty of guys actually thrive that way. Double-standard. I'd need to hear something beyond "I think he needs to loosen up" before I believed it was causing issues, especially in the wake of an actual medical issue that seems like it has a much larger chance of causing mental or physical harm.

Agreed. Whats Kiernan saying? That if Harvey were nicer to him he wouldnt get hurt so much? STFU.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

No that he observes him every day and concluded that he's a tightly wound, alienated, unfriendly, unsuccessful fuckup

[ashie62]

I thought maybe this was really a lifestyle issue. I believe he smokes and drinks some.

Best wishes dude.

Red Sox breathe a sigh of relief.

[batmagadanleadoff]

He's saying that Harvey's a douchebag. Which any real Mets follower already knows.

[soupcan]

And so was Steve Carlton and a million other douchebag players.

To say thats the reason he continues to get hurt is a bit of a stretch to say the least.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Forget it. That's not what he said. He said his being a douchebag was a problem regardless of his health

[soupcan]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Forget it. That's not what he said. He said his being a douchebag was a problem regardless of his health

So clear it up. From what you wrote before it sounded like Kiernan made a connection from being a douche to being hurt. Is that wrong?

[Benjamin Grimm]

As for how this affects the Mets, it's a shame that they won't have the Matt Harvey of 2015, but they already didn't have that Matt Harvey. I don't think that whatever Logan Verrett provides will be much less than what Harvey was doing.

I looked to see who might be available at AAA, and these are the 51s who have started the most games this season:

[list:5v7chqqu]Gabriel Ynoa (17 starts, 9-3, 3.92 ERA)
Rafael Montero (16 starts, 4-6, 7.20 ERA)
Duane Below (15 starts, 4-7, 4.53 ERA)
Sean Gilmartin (13 starts, 9-3, 4.48 ERA)
Seth Lugo (13 starts, 3-4, 6.55 ERA)[/list:u:5v7chqqu]

I had forgotten about Rafael Montero! That 7.20 ERA looks something other than appealing.

[soupcan]

What's Wheeler's status? Wasn't he supposed to be good to go following the All Star break?