Re-Sign Cespedes

[batmagadanleadoff]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: But now it appears that he'll fit quite nicely so long as the Mets don't have to commit as much money as they thought they would've had to. It may be more about committing the years than the money. I don't discount that money is an issue, but it's one thing to have Cespedes jamming up center field for one season than for five. I would try to structure the three-year contract as something like 25-16-16, if he'll go for it, of course. Yoenis would then be guaranteed $57 million if he sticks around, but will have incentive to opt out, if that's what the Mets are not-so-secretly hoping he'll do.

I definitely see your point. Me, personally, I'd prefer Cespedes for three rather than five years, too -- something that I would've never imagined was possible before the recent reports.

But if Cespedes (allegedly) doesn't fit, then he doesn't fit. Whether it's one year or five or anything in between. Anyway, it's not worth killing this point to death. We all have the Mets number and know what's really going on.

[Centerfield]

Correct. It's about the money. It's always been about the money, and nothing but the money.

If it wasn't about the money, they would have pursued Heyward, or Upton, or any of the other front-line players available this winter. And if it were about the "right fit", whatever that means, they never would have signed De Aza.

You know what I hate about this winter? I found myself rooting for a four year deal for Zobrist and a four year deal for Cespedes even though I think these are not great deals, because the Mets give the impression that if they don't do this, they won't do anything to improve the club. There were a ton of great options available this winter, but there was zero chance that the Mets would even think about them.

And for the record, even if they sign Cespedes, they will still be woefully short in terms of payroll.

[TransMonk]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: It may be more about committing the years than the money.

Bingo.

[batmagadanleadoff]

TransMonk wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: It may be more about committing the years than the money. Bingo.

Because more years costs more money.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Fine, but in this case more years more foolish too.

[TransMonk]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: TransMonk wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: It may be more about committing the years than the money. Bingo. Because more years costs more money.

Yes, but it's "dumb" money. I don't want Cespedes in four years at that price.

[Mex17]

TransMonk wrote: Yes, but it's "dumb" money. I don't want Cespedes in four years at that price.

He will be 33 in the fourth year, that's "over the hill" now?

[TransMonk]

Mex17 wrote: TransMonk wrote: Yes, but it's "dumb" money. I don't want Cespedes in four years at that price. He will be 33 in the fourth year, that's "over the hill" now?

That's not what I said. I just don't want HIM at 33 at $20M+. I'm not 100% sold on Cespedes...certainly not long term. He'll be blocking up the payroll and a roster spot at a time when I believe there could be better (and cheaper) options available.

I'm all in on him for next year. Even three years wouldn't bug me. After that, I believe he would be be a liability rather than an asset.

[batmagadanleadoff]

TransMonk wrote: TransMonk wrote: Yes, but it's "dumb" money. I don't want Cespedes in four years at that price. He will be 33 in the fourth year, that's "over the hill" now? That's not what I said. I just don't want HIM at 33 at $20M+. I'm not 100% sold on Cespedes...certainly not long term. He'll be blocking up the payroll and a roster spot at a time when I believe there could be better (and cheaper) options available. I'm all in on him for next year. Even three years wouldn't bug me. After that, I believe he would be be a liability rather than an asset.

$20M is chump change to the Dodgers. And New York's a better market. If these Wilpons knew a third as much about the business of baseball as they know about real estate, these problems wouldn't exist. Anyone who thinks that a NY team with a bottom tier payroll can't hack a $20M outlay four years from now, well that's their lowered expectations doing the thinking. Jeez, I wouldn't be surprised if, four years from now, $20M wouldn't even buy a Jon Niese type pitcher.

[batmagadanleadoff]

d'Kong76 wrote: Fine, but in this case more years more foolish too.

Maybe. But that should be a problem for the Pittsburghs and Kansas Cities of baseball. A big team market that can't hack what Cespedes wants for five years? The payroll should be double what it is, but instead everyone's been so bullied and worn down into submission that they think that it's all the money in the world if the Mets increase payroll by another ten or fifteen million.

If the Mets get Cespedes on their terms, it'd be great. But if they lose out on Cespedes because they didn't match some other team's five year offer, look out below.

[Edgy MD]

Speaking for myself, I am not worn down into submission.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: Speaking for myself, I am not worn down into submission.

I know.

[TransMonk]

Pissing on $20M is stupid no matter what city you live in.

[Zvon]

It's not official yet but, ugh, shit.

[Zvon]

I was only going by an Olney tweet. I would REALLY like to be wrong.

[Centerfield]

Zvon wrote: I was only going by an Olney tweet. I would REALLY like to be wrong.

Which one?

[Zvon]

Nats, 83 mill, 3 yrs. He said it's not official. Haven't heard a thing since.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

NYC, DE BLASIO BATTENING DOWN HATCHES
About Battening, Though... What Does This Mean For Mets-Cespedes Talks?

Here's the thing... who's leaking the Mets-talk talk? I feel like if it's more than a two-team race for his services, Roc Nation doesn't leak the willing-to-go-shorter thing intentionally, because it only weakens his position, if anything. ("Well, if he'll consider three-with-an-opt-out... what about our FOUR with an opt-out?") A leak from Roc Nation only makes sense if he's leveraging it to get more money or an opt-out from the Nats.
If the leak comes from the Mets, well... it's the usual "See, Here's Proof We're Trying (But Are Kinda Sabotaging Our 'Negotiation' By Telling You This)" messaging that #MetsTwitter and their ilk are always seeing on the wall, isn't it?

Edited January 23, 2016 by Guest

[Guest d'Kong76]

That's a lot of money over three years!

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Zvon wrote: Nats, 83 mill, 3 yrs. He said it's not official. Haven't heard a thing since.

Where are you seeing this? He hasn't Tweeted a thing about it since he reported the Mets-talk shebang.

[Zvon]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Zvon wrote: Nats, 83 mill, 3 yrs. He said it's not official. Haven't heard a thing since. Where are you seeing this? He hasn't Tweeted a thing about it since he reported the Mets-talk shebang.

I saw two reports on fb. One showed his tweet. I don't think Onley quoted the $. He just said it was a done deal to be announced tonight.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Zvon wrote: Zvon wrote: Nats, 83 mill, 3 yrs. He said it's not official. Haven't heard a thing since. Where are you seeing this? He hasn't Tweeted a thing about it since he reported the Mets-talk shebang. I saw two reports on fb. One showed his tweet. I don't think Onley quoted the $. He just said it was a done deal to be announced tonight.

You may have been had, bud. Not ANYWHERE on his feed, and I've seen a few references from verified baseball-press-types to fake Cespedes and Olney feeds.

[Zvon]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Nats, 83 mill, 3 yrs. He said it's not official. Haven't heard a thing since. Where are you seeing this? He hasn't Tweeted a thing about it since he reported the Mets-talk shebang. I saw two reports on fb. One showed his tweet. I don't think Onley quoted the $. He just said it was a done deal to be announced tonight. You may have been had, bud. Not ANYWHERE on his feed, and I've seen a few references from verified baseball-press-types to fake Cespedes and Olney feeds.

Really! I did click on the tweet and it didn't take me to twitter, just to an image of the tweet, which I thought unusual. Hey, I'm glad. I'd rather this not be my very first CPF scoop.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

I mean, I have a feeling that something like that might be what he's driving for (if he's got a REALLY outsized estimation of his worth and/or next year's market) if his team leaked the Mets news-- either more money on the five-year OR a higher-AAV version of the Met offer... from the Nats.

[Edgy MD]

Be cautioned. There's been a LOT of reports out there of guys tweeting from fake accounts, pretending to beat writers.

[Guest d'Kong76]

#hashbagged

[Centerfield]

Edgy MD wrote: Be cautioned. There's been a LOT of reports out there of guys tweeting from fake accounts, pretending to beat writers.

Talk about losers. When I pretend to be someone I'm not, I'm going for movie stars. The bassist for Loverboy. The guy who voiced Jabba. I'm like way, way down my list before I reach Andy Martino.