Carlos Redux?

[Frayed Knot]

Rather than have this buried in the game thread, let's follow the progress (or not) of the rumored big deal, Carlos Gomez for Wilmer Flores & Zack Wheeler, here.

My immediate reaction is that I like it.
I have limited hopes for Flores. He turns on a pitch as well as anyone but I've yet to see him drive anything the other way (he'll direct the ball to RF but rarely if ever hard) and with almost no walks and still questionable power I don't know how high is his upside.
As far as Wheeler goes, I sense that it's become fashion to knock him down a few pegs partly because of his injury but also because he didn't round into an All-Star as quickly as our other precocious youngsters. But this is still one we could look back on as the one who got away a few years from now.

But you have to give up to get and I'll take the hit to our strongest part right now to get 220 or so games out of Gomez while we're in this position sitting just out of a division & WC

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[Centerfield]

I don't know much about Gomez. I see he was pretty good the last few years. OPS is down nearly 100 points this year. Has he been hurt? And is he healthy now?

Still pretty young I think. It seems like another lifetime ago that we sent him away.

[Guest themetfairy]

I like the deal too. I love Wheeler, but he won't be back until the middle of next season at the very, very earliest. If CarGo can help us now, I'm good with the trade.

[Frayed Knot]

Gomez = 30 in December
Yes he's been injured (Syndergaard hit him in the head among other things) only 73 of 100 games played this year but I think he's OK now - most of his missed games were in April.

[Edgy MD]

Then I'll move this question to this thread.

Help me out. When did it become OK to trade a guy on the DL? Openly and explicitly and stuff?

It seems that as recently as the last year or two that if such a guy was included in a deal, he would be officially designated as a PtBNL.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I can remember arguing against wasting him in the Santana deal. Obviously he was too young when he was here but his eventual stardom not a shocker. Has speed power can go get it bats RH ... all we need.

[Zvon]

Edgy MD wrote: Then I'll move this question to this thread. Help me out. When did it become OK to trade a guy on the DL? Openly and explicitly and stuff? It seems that as recently as the last year or two that if such a guy was included in a deal, he would be officially designated as a PtBNL.

I really don't know but I'd say it's not official yet, so no need to call it that yet.

[Centerfield]

Frayed Knot wrote: Gomez = 30 in December Yes he's been injured (Syndergaard hit him in the head among other things) only 73 of 100 games played this year but I think he's OK now - most of his missed games were in April.

Good. So he's healthy now. Hopefully he will bounce back into form.

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy MD wrote: Help me out. When did it become OK to trade a guy on the DL? Openly and explicitly and stuff?

I don't know, but it certainly seems as if the attitude towards trading DL'd players has changed in recent years and maybe some written rules as well.

[RealityChuck]

Yes. I thought the rule was you can't trade a DLed player, for obvious reasons. Maybe that video of Wheeler was bait.

In any case, Milwaukee is evidently confident the TJ surgery is successful.

It would have been nice to have Wheeler in the rotation next year, but with Harvey, deGrom, Syndergaard, Matz, and Niese coming back (and Montero and Verret in the wings, with Fulmer around in a few years), they won't miss them.

Flores has no place to play now that Uribe and Johnson are here.

For the first time in ages, the Mets are making a "win now" move.

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

I 'm pretty sure I saw Gomez' first home, at Comerica Park in Detroit.

I liked Wilmer and wish him well. I hope he develops into a solid everyday player in Milwaukee, which is a nice place.

[Guest themetfairy]

Welcome Back CarGo!

[Edgy MD]

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: I 'm pretty sure I saw Gomez' first home, at Comerica Park in Detroit.

Wow, what a coincidence that his first home was a big league ballpark.

[nymr83]

ESPN..

Terry Collins said that he did not remove Wilmer Flores from the game against the Padres because he had no idea about a pending trade. "There was nothing I knew about. Why would I take him out of the game?" Collins said. Flores was seen with tears in his eyes on the field in the 8th inning.

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: Then I'll move this question to this thread. Help me out. When did it become OK to trade a guy on the DL? Openly and explicitly and stuff? It seems that as recently as the last year or two that if such a guy was included in a deal, he would be officially designated as a PtBNL.

That's how I remember the rule,too. Unless its something about the wording of the rule. The 60 days of DL have expired. Maybe he's officially on a "rehab assignment" as a way to get around the rule.
I dunno.
The devil is in the details.

Later

[nymr83]

Sandy Alderson says the trade "HAS NOT AND WILL NOT TRANSPIRE"

Was a bullshit rumor on social media the real cause Flores was crying?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

WTF

[nymr83]

all the Collins bashers can eat some dick tonight, there was no trade, maybe next they can say he is responsible for monitoring twitter [u:3d4fuylj]during games[/u:3d4fuylj] and comforting his players over rumors?

[Edgy MD]

That's a lot of dick.

[Frayed Knot]

MLB.com: In addition to Wheeler and Flores, the Brewers had also asked for Triple-A IF Dilson Herrera, but the Mets refused, according to the NY Post�s Joel Sherman (July 29, 9:38 pm).

So the fault of Flores not being pulled wasn't on Terry (because he was never told) or on Sandy (because he never agreed to it) but on the reporters who grossly jumped the gun on this one announcing it as all but official when it apparently was nothing of the sort.

[nymr83]

MLB.com: In addition to Wheeler and Flores, the Brewers had also asked for Triple-A IF Dilson Herrera, but the Mets refused, according to the NY Post�s Joel Sherman (July 29, 9:38 pm). So the fault of Flores not being pulled wasn't on Terry (because he was never told) or on Sandy (because he never agreed to it) but on the reporters who grossly jumped the gun on this one announcing it as all but official when it apparently was nothing of the sort.

a certain segment of the media have always been the biggest villain in the Mets saga of losing over the past 10 years

[Edgy MD]

Oh, they'll find a way to hang the Mets for it.

[Valadius]

Joel Sherman, please call your office.

[Frayed Knot]

The earlier link to the report on MLB.com has totally disappeared as if they think this is a way for them to pretend that they didn't report this thing as a done deal hours ago.


Yeah, and Sherman too.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Sounds as though the Brewers got cold feet when they saw Wheeler's health report. Somebody in the front offices must have said the deal was agreed to.

[Zvon]

Even Gomez and his team mates tweeted about it on the plane.

[Frayed Knot]

Zvon wrote: Even Gomez and his team mates tweeted about it on the plane.

Sure, because they were all reading and hearing the same stuff as we are and assumed it was a done deal.

[Edgy MD]

Some reports say that Gomez was notified by the team. Maybe he's the source of the premature leak.

There's a lot of "only the Mets!!" out there.

Of course, it happened the day before to the Dodgers and Marlins.

[TransMonk]

I'm against trading Wheeler and, like Edgy, I missed the memo on how a DL'd dude can be openly traded.

That said, this trade would have been fleecing the Brewers, IMO. I don't know how much better Flores is over the Gennett/Segura combo the Brewers already have in the middle infield...and Wheeler won't even be ready until mid-next season. Gomez bats cleanup for them and is one of their most marketable players since the Braun debacle happened a few years ago.

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[Zvon]

So am I correct in thinking that Joel Sherman threw the rock in the pond and the rest was just ripples that extended to 30,000 feet.