CitiField Dimensions

[Frayed Knot]

Not much to get all in a twist about in other words.
At the same time, it's also not enough to think it's going to have a positive effect on Wright & Grandy, the supposed reason for the move in the first place.

[Zvon]

This is what I was hoping they'd do.

Looks like they wont fill in the cutout there and the grey wall will be the way it goes in 2015 in that area. That's if I'm following this correctly.

[Edgy MD]

Frayed Knot wrote: Not much to get all in a twist about in other words. At the same time, it's also not enough to think it's going to have a positive effect on Wright & Grandy, the supposed reason for the move in the first place.

I think the Mets have a lot of belief that, if not the difference-maker going forward, it would have made a lot of difference for Granderson in 2014.

I tried superimposing the spray charts over the Citifield surface, but it didn't quite work (one of them isn't a perfectly perpendicular view), but you can see a line of demarcation that seems to represent the maximum distance Granderson's topspin shots reach, and the management likely hopes t bring the wall within that distance.

[Frayed Knot]

I think the Mets have a lot of belief that, if not the difference-maker going forward, it would have made a lot of difference for Granderson in 2014.

One report I read talked about the Mets figuring that the proposed new fences would have netted the team an extra 7 HRs in 2014. Maybe a chunk of those were Granderson's but you wouldn't think it would be all of them.
The same report and them calculating that it would have cost the pitching staff an addition 4 HRs allowed.

As the basketball player once famously said: 'Whoop-de-damn-doo'

[Edgy MD]

I'd appreciate seeing that report, but I'd be happy if it turns out that way.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Zvon wrote: This is what I was hoping they'd do.

That is what they're doing according to Mex's first plot plan.
Sort of. The two walls and the change in direction are in
slightly different spots but the quirky cutout will be gone.

Where did that original plot plan come from?

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy MD wrote: I'd appreciate seeing that report, but I'd be happy if it turns out that way.

It was just a line from one of the recent stories about the wall (I forget exactly where) citing those 7 & 4 figures as coming from NYM sources.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I'd appreciate seeing that report, but I'd be happy if it turns out that way. It was just a line from one of the recent stories about the wall (I forget exactly where) citing those 7 & 4 figures as coming from NYM sources.

just reaching back into my brain, I think I read that on Metsblog and attributed to Mark Simon.

Landing spots of 2014 HR have little relevance of 2015 HR anyway. particularly in random tiny stretches of track.

Also, Granderson wasn't really bad last year, in fact, he was better than average. People are forgetting to adjust for park and offensive era since 2013-2014 seems to be a new low. Of course, now he's switching hitting coaches again (And he wasn't real great in 2013 with the new guy)

[Zvon]

d'Kong76 wrote: Zvon wrote: This is what I was hoping they'd do. That is what they're doing according to Mex's first plot plan. Sort of. The two walls and the change in direction are in slightly different spots but the quirky cutout will be gone. Where did that original plot plan come from?

If you mean the diagram heading the thread, I think Mex made that. I used to like quirky cutouts in stadiums, and I still like them, only not at home.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Oh, when I read 'if I did it right' I thought he meant
if he attached an image correctly.

[Zvon]

d'Kong76 wrote: Oh, when I read 'if I did it right' I thought he meant if he attached an image correctly.

I think that is what he meant, as far as the "doing it right" part goes.

I think he's got the left field wall coming in a bit too, and if they bring it in, only a foot, to get that guard rail out of play, I'm all for that.
Or just bring the railing back a foot-get it off the wall.

[Edgy MD]

Two feet, if you please, Mets. Some outfielders have a long reach.

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: Two feet, if you please, Mets. Some outfielders have a long reach.

how big are Cuddyer's arms? asking for a friend.

[Edgy MD]

Make sure this catch is again possible. That would be pleasing.

[Zvon]

Wow. I've never seen that photo. Freakin' awesome.

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, it's fab. That's the furthest I've seen the extension captured in a single shot. But I think it went further. Look at the apparent cleat markings in the B, seemingly going three inches above where his cleats currently are.

[Ceetar]

[Farmer Ted]

Sandy says the dimensions are nearly identical to Shea, blah, blah blah. Shea was an open air horseshoe. I'm not a meteorologist or a wind expert (insert pun here, folks) but I'd be willing to bet $1 that the winds blew in more than out (more pun opportunities, ladies and gentlemen) and the shape of Shea and location probably created more swirling conditions. That's not as big a factor with the enclosed Citi. Suckers are going to pop out of there this year, yessir.

[Ceetar]

Farmer Ted wrote: Sandy says the dimensions are nearly identical to Shea, blah, blah blah. Shea was an open air horseshoe. I'm not a meteorologist or a wind expert (insert pun here, folks) but I'd be willing to bet $1 that the winds blew in more than out (more pun opportunities, ladies and gentlemen) and the shape of Shea and location probably created more swirling conditions. That's not as big a factor with the enclosed Citi. Suckers are going to pop out of there this year, yessir.

a handful more homeruns. whatever.

Citi swirls like crazy. worse than Shea, particularly in April.

[Zvon]

Walls schmalls. They should listen to me and install some wind tunnels behind home.

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

My good friend John Munson is a photographer for the Newark paper and snapped the photos for today's event.

http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2014/11/mets_move_in_citi_field_fences_so_everyone_can_stop_talking_about_it.html

[Edgy MD]

That Times article was... highly disappointing, frankly.

[Zvon]

My dimensions were more based on sentimental #'s regarding the team.

Who's got their old ballpark? Imagine if a ball caught that curve in the wall the right way (for a Met, wrong for the opposition). The ball would get whipped around all the way to left.




OE: File says 2005. Was the stadium mock ups that long ago?

[metsmarathon]

min actually had a number of features that made it into citi field. expansive field, big bouncy wall in left, room for rattling around in right.

yes. i'm to blame.

[Centerfield]

I think this is a great move. I like how Sandy Alderson stresses that this makes the field a "fair" ballpark, and compares it to Shea Stadium. I think this will have some impact on the results, but I think this will make more of an impact on the mindset of our hitters.

Hopefully this move, which I don't view to be drastic, will finally put all talk of the Citi dimensions to bed.

[Edgy MD]

Still have to adjust the position of the left field wall relative to the party city railing. Fair means fair for the left fielder, too, man!

But I tend to agree.

[Centerfield]

Yes, agreed on that. But I view that as more about having to move the railing than having to move the wall. In a perfect world, I'd also get rid of that notch in the RF.

Maybe I'm boring but my idea of an ideal outfield wall is one that is 8 ft. tall (no railings), fair distances (such as Shea) and symmetrical all around.

Has anyone taken a look at the original dimensions recently? I had forgotten about that high wall in the Modell's cutout. Those were just such stupid dimensions. I can't believe Jeff Wilpon would take the position that they don't need to be moved.

[Ceetar]

I wonder if they expected a little more carry from the ball with the original dimensions and the orientation of the park. I remember reading they factored in the ability to move the walls originally. Maybe they figured the ball would carry better and often carry over those walls? So power guys would blast it and it'd go, but the line drive hitters (Admittedly, David Wright) would be more of the guys wracking up doubles and triples (Reyes). Everyone forgets the benefits to Reyes in the park design, like tailoring a park to one or two guys that will get maybe 10% of the total (home) AB at the place is a good idea anyway.

Plus it was almost impossible to get the ball over the Mo's Zone fence anyway, high or low, because of the porch. Either the drive was higher and hit the porch, or lower and wouldn't clear any fence.

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

The fences in those photos. They're temporary, right? Just there to illustrate the changes?

[Ceetar]

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: The fences in those photos. They're temporary, right? Just there to illustrate the changes?

I assume they're getting padding.