Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

[Edgy MD]

The 2014 accounts and travails of Matt Harvey being the most publicized Met outside of the sports pages, while not actively being a Met.

Like today, when Matt created a dustup tweeting a photo of him flipping the bird on Twitter, and deleted his Twitter account shortly after, and Generation Tweet (and barely legit sports sites like SBNation and bleacherreport) just can't shut up about it.

Maybe his goal in life is to drive Jay Horwitz over the edge.

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[Benjamin Grimm]

I think I found a clue! Now, what would Blue want to do with a hospital gown? I'd better get my handy dandy notebook�

[Ceetar]

I'm not sure why SBNation is 'barely legit'

There is no story. Mets fans (really, fans in general, and people) are bad nasty people online and say mean things and overreact.

[Edgy MD]

Ceetar wrote: I'm not sure why SBNation is 'barely legit'.

Because wildcat journalism sources have diminishing fact-finding capacity and accountability.

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: Ceetar wrote: I'm not sure why SBNation is 'barely legit'. Because wildcat journalism sources have diminishing fact-finding capacity and accountability.

For that matter, bleacher report comprises a lot of different people too.

Silly to paint broad strokes. I'm not sure what your sentence full of buzzwords even means. Amazin' Avenue is one of the better places to get Mets news/talk/analysis that's out there.

[Edgy MD]

How dis-spiriting to enter into this conversation at 4:44

Ceetar wrote: For that matter, bleacher report comprises a lot of different people too.

I spoke about the standards of the source. Not the people.

Ceetar wrote: Silly to paint broad strokes.

I mentioned two specific sources. That isn't broad.

Ceetar wrote: I'm not sure what your sentence full of buzzwords even means.

I wrote pretty plainly. Which words (not buzzwords, but real words with actual concrete meanings) would you like me to elaborate on?

Ceetar wrote: Amazin' Avenue is one of the better places to get Mets news/talk/analysis that's out there.

Again, I spoke about the standards of the these sources, not about any and all who use them as a platform. I have no doubt they have many good people doing their best trying to provide interesting and unique content, and not a few succeeding (OE: if not necessarily getting paid for further enriching Ted Turner).

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Foolish of the Mets to pick a fight with such an arrogant dumb employee.

[Ceetar]

your "two specific sources" encompass hundreds if not thousands of writers and dozens of sites.

Their standards seem to be higher than say the New York Post or the Bergen Record from where I sit.


wildcat journalism sources have diminishing fact-finding capacity and accountability.

I don't know what wildcat journalism is and I have no idea what you mean by diminishing fact-finding capacity.

accountability? why? Because they can't be fired? Well, maybe not in the traditional sense, but a lot of those sites on SB Nation have a bunch of writers and those writers can absolutely be 'let go' if they're not up to snuff. And it's all a subsidiary of Vox Media.

Whatever "Can't shut up about it" means, these people aren't the ones going up to Matt Harvey and asking him the specifics of a photo his mom took of him recovering from surgery.

[Edgy MD]

Ceetar wrote: your "two specific sources" encompass hundreds if not thousands of writers and dozens of sites.

How many times do we need to return to discussing the fallacy of the part and the whole?

Ceetar wrote: Their standards seem to be higher than say the New York Post or the Bergen Record from where I sit.

That's just fine.

Ceetar wrote: wildcat journalism sources have diminishing fact-finding capacity and accountability. I don't know what wildcat journalism is and I have no idea what you mean by diminishing fact-finding capacity.

A wildcat enterprise is generally one lacking in authority or regulation of its industry's generally established standards.

I have difficulty believing you have no idea what a diminishing fact-finding capacity might mean. But I mean that to suggest that, not having many reporters with credentials and budgets and time to devote professionally to pursuing their stories, they don't really report, but re-report the findings of more established journals. (Or each other.)

Ceetar wrote: accountability? why? Because they can't be fired? Well, maybe not in the traditional sense, but a lot of those sites on SB Nation have a bunch of writers and those writers can absolutely be 'let go' if they're not up to snuff. And it's all a subsidiary of Vox Media.

Because the operators demonstrably don't really care about maintaining journalistic standards. That doesn't mean that some writers haven't absolutely hit homeruns.

Ceetar wrote: Whatever "Can't shut up about it" means, these people aren't the ones going up to Matt Harvey and asking him the specifics of a photo his mom took of him recovering from surgery.

It means there are a lot of redundant stories to sort through, each amounting to little more than the previous one.

I'm sorry if my opinion hit personally in some way. I just meant to suggest that there was a proliferation of journalism platforms to sort through (and yes, with diminishing returns) that respond to this sort of thing and disproportionately blow it up while offering little new, helpful, or meaningful. There are.

For the record, I've enjoyed a lot of work published at SBNation, and even a little from Gawker sources.

[ashie62]

Why does Harvey have to flip the bird when he knows he is being photographed? I'm not sure if he is a jackass or an attention whore... or both...

[dgwphotography]

I'm just tired of his act.

He had a great half-season, and baseball history is littered with hundreds of players who can claim the same. Until he can show that he can sustain that greatness over an extended period of time, he should just STFU and show a little more humility and class.