Off-season FA news (non-NYM edition)

[ashie62]

We Mets are going to get coal in our stockings....

[ashie62]

metirish wrote: Elsbury to the MFY's for seven years.......wow sorry, apparently this is the case.

7/153

[metirish]

That's a wonderfully stupid contract, well done NYY......

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Curious. That's a long contract for a guy who's had a lot of trouble staying healthy and really only one good year.

Wonder what if anything this means wrt the MFYs getting Cano also.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Vic Sage wrote: BBRef says Kazmir was a 1.1 WAR guy in 2013 (not 2.5)

Fangraphs-- which goes with fielding-independent metrics to determine pitcher value, versus BBRef's actual Runs Allowed numbers, and attempts to adjust that for team defense/opponents/ballparks-- disagrees.

That he finished well last year may not end up being predictive. But that he finished well and his stat profile was shaped a lot like what it was during his early-peak years (in terms of key peripherals like K/BB, HR/9 and the like) lends the conjecture that, if healthy, he should be very effective, some credibility.

So no, I don't think it's irrational to think that investing 2yr/$22m on such a guy is high risk, to say the least. But, given his limited resources, Billy boy has to make high risk moves if he wants the As to stay competitive.

Stipulated. But I think we ALL can agree that HOLY SHIT 20 MILLION DOLLARS-PLUS BACKLOADED FOR JACOBY FUCKING ELLSBURY.

[Edgy MD]

Ashie62 wrote: We Mets are going to get coal in our stockings....

Buck up, little camper. This is a recording.

[metirish]

One of those coals might catch fire..seriously , how would we feel if the Mets had given Ellsbury that silly contract?, he's a leadoff hitter, that's some cabbage for that.

[HahnSolo]

If Ellsbury is worth 7/153, I don't see how they can possibly hold firm on 7/160 (reported) for Cano, who is way better and has way more value.

[Edgy MD]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: But I think we ALL can agree that HOLY SHIT 20 MILLION DOLLARS-PLUS BACKLOADED FOR JACOBY FUCKING ELLSBURY.

And what's the mofo deal with that guy? Hits 32 homers in 660 at bats in 2011. Hits 33 in 2,252 the rest of his career.

And what's with Cashman's little fetish? Every time the Sox win a championship, you've got to go out and make a stupid offer to steal their sweet-assed centerfielder? Really?

Both times it's been a guy with a name that actually sounds like a Boston neighborhood, too.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Jacoby Ellsbury and Darrel Ceciliani from the same hometown and high school.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Jacoby Ellsbury and Darrel Ceciliani from the same hometown and high school.

So what you're saying is, it's not something in the water.

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: But I think we ALL can agree that HOLY SHIT 20 MILLION DOLLARS-PLUS BACKLOADED FOR JACOBY FUCKING ELLSBURY. And what's the mofo deal with that guy? Hits 32 homers in 660 at bats in 2011. Hits 33 in 2,252 the rest of his career. And what's with Cashman's little fetish? Every time the Sox win a championship, you've got to go out and make a stupid offer to steal their sweet-assed centerfielder? Really? Both times it's been a guy with a name that actually sounds like a Boston neighborhood, too.

Yes, but he will go from a very good career to a Hall of Fame career because, as we all know, Jeter will make him better.
I just threw up in my mouth when I typed that.

Later

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Oh, yes.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I can't pinpoint why Doge makes me LOLOLOL so much, I think it might be the font.

[Lefty Specialist]

Wow, that's some awesomely stupid money for Ellsbury. If they get two full good years out of him I'll be surprised.

[MFS62]

Rockies signed Justin Morneau, so that could eliminate Colorado as a potential trade partner involving Ike Davis.
Saltalamacchia(sp?) to the Fish - 3 years.

Later

[Edgy MD]

I don't sweat that stuff. For every team that grows richer, at least one other grows poorer.

[Edgy MD]

Hi, I'm Pirates GM Neal Huntington. You may
remember me from... well, last year's post-season. I
just thought I'd take this moment to remind the
world that I locked up Andrew McCutchen early and
he's mine through 2018.

Take it easy.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Lefty Specialist wrote: Wow, that's some awesomely stupid money for Ellsbury. If they get two full good years out of him I'll be surprised.

If this also makes Carlos Beltran less likely to be a Yankee, that's good news too.

[MFS62]

Fangraphs, with another "rumor":
http://www.fangraphs.com/not/hot-stove-rumors-trojans-greeks-in-talks-about-hector-achilles-megatrade/#comment-310346

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[seawolf17]

MFS62 wrote: Rockies signed Justin Morneau, so that could eliminate Colorado as a potential trade partner involving Ike Davis. Saltalamacchia(sp?) to the Fish - 3 years. Later

Morneau in Colorado is going to make a fantasy owner very happy who picks him up on the cheap, and a fantasy owner very unhappy who picks him up for Todd Helton 2002 pricing.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

MFS62 wrote: Rockies signed Justin Morneau, so that could eliminate Colorado as a potential trade partner involving Ike Davis.

Potential target Dexter Fowler already boarded a figurative flight for Houston anyway, in exchange for iffy-but-young starter Jordan Lyles and old rookie Brandon Barnes.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Contrast the cost of that Fowler trade with what the MFYs are paying for Ellsbury. Its crazy.

[Lefty Specialist]

MFS62 wrote: Fangraphs, with another "rumor": http://www.fangraphs.com/not/hot-stove-rumors-trojans-greeks-in-talks-about-hector-achilles-megatrade/#comment-310346 Later

Weren't they childhood friends of yours?

[Vic Sage]

Hopefully, the Ellsbury signing costs the MFYs Cano. Man, they are an old expensive team.

CF - Ellsbury (30/$22m)
SS - Jeter (40/$12m)
2b - [Cano] (31/$20-$25m?) / [Ryan] (32/$2m)
1b - Texiera (34/$22.5m)
3b - [A-Rod] (38/$25m) / [E.Nunez] (27/?)
C - McCann (30/$17m) / Cervelli (28/$1m)
DH - Soriano (38/$5m)
RF - Ichiro (40/$6.5m) / Wells (35/$2.4m)
LF - Gardner (32/$4m) / Z.Almonte (25/?)

SP - Sabathia (33/$22m)
SP - Nova (27/$3m)
SP - [Pineda] (25/$?)
SP - [Phelps] (27/?)
SP - [Huff] (29/?)

RP - Robertson (29/$3m)
RP - shawn Kelley (30/$2m)
RP - Adam Warren (26/?)
RP - Preston Claiborne (26/?)
RP - Vidal Nuno (26/?)
RP - Cesar Cabral (25/?)

Edited December 4, 2013 by Guest

[Frayed Knot]

Plus $21 million worth of 35 y/o Vernon Wells on the bench/LF/DH/PH
Angels are paying a chunk of that ($28 of the $42 over two seasons) , but still ...

[Vic Sage]

Frayed Knot wrote: Plus $21 million worth of 35 y/o Vernon Wells on the bench/LF/DH/PH Angels are paying a chunk of that ($28 of the $42 over two seasons) , but still ...

Angels are paying Wells $18.6m of the $21m, which is more than a chunk.

[Guest d'Kong76]

The Ellsbury signing is downright funny. What do they do, print
the money underneath the stadium?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

A little Cano-fault insurance?