Post-Season Awards

[Edgy MD]

David Wright and Eric Young are nominated as Gold Glove finalists.

I don't know that these awards will ever fulfill their mandate with a comfortable degree of accuracy or meaning. Young certainly did an acceptable job in left, but it's hard to think of anybody watching the Mets more than twice and not thinking his positioning left the overall impact of his defense closer to the mean than you'd want to see from a Gold Glove candidate.

More importantly, whither Lagares?

[seawolf17]

Moved to the baseball forum.

And yes, Lagares has got to be a "finalist," whatever the fuck that means.


Range Factor/9Inn as CF
1. Lagares (NYM) 2.98
2. Gomez (MIL) 2.92
3. Revere (PHI) 2.87
4. Amarista (SDP) 2.73
5. Span (WSN) 2.66

Range Factor/9Inn as OF
1. Lagares (NYM) 2.95
2. Gomez (MIL) 2.92
3. Revere (PHI) 2.87
4. Amarista (SDP) 2.67
5. Span (WSN) 2.66

Assists as CF
1. Lagares (NYM) 14
2. Gomez (MIL) 12
3. McCutchen (PIT) 11
4. Pollock (ARI) 8
Choo (CIN) 8

Assists as OF
1. Parra (ARI) 17
2. Lagares (NYM) 15
3. Denorfia (SDP) 13
Harper (WSN) 13
Bruce (CIN) 13

[Edgy MD]

BB-Ref Defensive WAR:
Laggy: 3.5
Young: -1.3 (-1.3 all with the Roxx, 0.0 with the Mets)

Fangraphs has Lagares 25.4 units (runs?) above average on defense, and Young -6.3 (-6.6 with the Rockies and +0.3 with the Mets).

Congratulations to Young. You've got to nominate some guys just to lose, I guess. But I'm guessing he earned at least some of his defensive reputation by stealing a lot of bases.

[metirish]

Edgy MD wrote: David Wright and Eric Young are nominated as Gold Glove finalists. I don't know that these awards will ever fulfill their mandate with a comfortable degree of accuracy or meaning. Young certainly did an acceptable job in left, but it's hard to think of anybody watching the Mets more than twice and not thinking his positioning left the overall impact of his defense closer to the mean than you'd want to see from a Gold Glove candidate. More importantly, whither Lagares?

Bad positioning and bad routes make for some spectacular catches, was that a factor here I wonder?

It's like the old 'Arry Redknapp line about one of his players, covers every blade of grass on the field...because his first touch is so bad.

[Benjamin Grimm]

He hasn't been around long enough. A big part of the Gold Glove is name recognition.

[Zvon]

Gratz to Wright and Young. Wright was Wright. Young was very good. Lags was ripped off.

[metirish]

Justin Turner ?@redturn2 6m
Look for @juanlagares2 to be on this list next year, thought he got snubbed! #bestCFintheShow

[seawolf17]

It's not like @MLB doesn't know that, too. Very odd.

* Shin-Soo Choo discovers what most of us already knew � it�s not wise to run on Juan Lagares:

(September 24, 2013)

* Behold Juan Lagares� right arm:

(August 21, 2013)

* Juan Lagares plays a tremendous center field. Watch this thievery here on Twitter from your computer:

(August 20, 2013)

* Sprinting, leaping, wall-colliding perfection by Juan Lagares:

(August 19, 2013)

* Juan Lagares didn't juggle this ball. He was just setting himself up for an unbelievable circus catch:

(May 12, 2013)

[Frayed Knot]

I don't understand how this "finalist" thing works.
The GGs are an award voted on by managers and coaches. Did MLB narrow the roster of candidates first and only allow the Mgrs to vote on those, or were the votes already cast and counted and the only reason for this finalist list is to build anticipation by leaking the top finishers?


It's kind of funny that with all the complaining about the job that the writers do with MVP, RoY, CY, etc., the one vote that's done essentially in house is the one that's a virtual certainty to be the worst of the lot.

[Edgy MD]

That strange Simmons peg is the best example of his throwing prowess, in that it demonstrates him taking an infielder's approach into the outfield. A shortstop knows instinctively that it doesn't matter how strong or accurate your throw is if you don't get to the ball and release it in a timely manner, giving the receiver a chance to make adjustments and finish the play or come off the bag to stop a wild throw, as needed.

While others might have set themselves and aired the ball out better, the thrown would arrive be two beats later. That ball had double all over it.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

There are better metrics, more eyes on every game, and better general knowledge of relative defensive prowess, even among non-professionals... and we still get this.

Why get upset at this point? These days, it's like arguing over who deserved that Oscar.

[ashie62]

Gold Gloves are like the Oscars..You usually have to be around awhile to get one.

Lagares did not play a full season...

Eric Young? Seriously???

[metirish]

Conor ?@ConorCoen
@msimonespn hi Mark, any thoughts on Juan Lagares not making the cut in CF in the Gold Glove awards? #Mets #GoldGlove


Mark Simon ?@msimonespn
@ConorCoen he should have been a finalist --- span and mccutchen had good yrs, but not to level of lagares

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: I don't understand how this "finalist" thing works. The GGs are an award voted on by managers and coaches. Did MLB narrow the roster of candidates first and only allow the Mgrs to vote on those, or were the votes already cast and counted and the only reason for this finalist list is to build anticipation by leaking the top finishers? It's kind of funny that with all the complaining about the job that the writers do with MVP, RoY, CY, etc., the one vote that's done essentially in house is the one that's a virtual certainty to be the worst of the lot.

I think they're just "releasing" the top three names or something. slow reveal.

[MFS62]

metirish wrote: Conor ?@ConorCoen @msimonespn hi Mark, any thoughts on Juan Lagares not making the cut in CF in the Gold Glove awards? #Mets #GoldGlove Mark Simon ?@msimonespn @ConorCoen he should have been a finalist --- span and mccutchen had good yrs, but not to level of lagares

Exactly.
As they might say in Boston, "He got scrod".

Later

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Ashie62 wrote: Gold Gloves are like the Oscars..You usually have to be around awhile to get one.

And it's got to be the right, showy kind of good to win one.

And usually, by the time you do get one, it's not for your best work, and often for one of your lesser works.

And when you do win that one, it's more of a lifetime-achievement thing/makeup for not getting one than it is a reward for your actual field achievement.

[Frayed Knot]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Gold Gloves are like the Oscars..You usually have to be around awhile to get one. And it's got to be the right, showy kind of good to win one. And usually, by the time you do get one, it's not for your best work, and often for one of your lesser works. And when you do win that one, it's more of a lifetime-achievement thing/makeup for not getting one than it is a reward for your actual field achievement.

And your offense matters.
It shouldn't, but it does.

[MFS62]

Frayed Knot wrote: And your offense matters. It shouldn't, but it does.

Somewhere, in a parallel Universe, "Derek Jeter" and "Gold Glove" are hopefully never mentioned in the same sentence.

Later

[Edgy MD]

Hatefully selfish and soft Carlos Beltran wins the Roberto Clemente Award.

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: Hatefully selfish and soft Carlos Beltran wins the Roberto Clemente Award.

Good for him.
Don't know whether I have mentioned this before, but several years ago, I had to go San Juan for a business project. When the person from the local office picked me up at the airport, he asked whether I would like to go directly to the office, or have lunch first. I told him that the first thing I'd like to do would be to drive past Hiram Bithorn Stadium to see the Roberto Clemente statue. He became my best buddy during my stay there.

Roberto was respected for his contributions beyond the playing field. Glad to see Carlos has been similarly recognized.

Later

[Edgy MD]

Gold Glove winners and chicken dinners to be announced tonight at 8:00 PM.

[Edgy MD]

Mets are foiled by the Rockies as Carlos Gonzalez wins the left field Gold Glove and rookie Nolan Arenado wins at third.

A quick check suggests they made the right choice (unlike last season) at third, as Arenado's metrics are Ordonezesque, worth three wins or more on defense, while he's barely a blip on offense.

But... who is he? Was he in the lineup when they played the Mets?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

I don't know about the glove... but when it comes to stealing hearts, he's a Recking ball.



Also, hey-- Dickey won one.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Arendado or whatever was supposed to be a hot prospect who'd fallen in esteem due to attitude issues, as I'd read anyway.

[Frayed Knot]

Silver Sluggers - Nov 6
RoY(s) - Nov 11
MoY - Nov 12
CY - Nov 13
MVP - Nov 14

[Benjamin Grimm]

Do we have any shot at a Silver Slugger? Murphy maybe? (Disclosure: I have no idea what any other second basemen in the league have done this season.)

[Gwreck]

Nope. Matt Carpenter of the Cardinals (55 Doubles, .873 OPS, 6.6 WAR) will win for second base.

[Ceetar]

David Wright has more fWAR than any other NL 3B.

[Gwreck]

I don't actually know if you have to qualify for the batting title to be eligible for a silver slugger. As noted, Wright should win for third base regardless.

[MFS62]

Mariano Rivera - AL Comeback Player of the Year.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/9928270/mariano-rivera-new-york-yankees-named-al-comeback-player-year
Will he will visit every major league ballpark to show it off?

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