Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball Field

[batmagadanleadoff]

The Sadecki Spot on '80's cardboard:

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[batmagadanleadoff]

Two clappers if you can name this Sadecki Spot Met.

[batmagadanleadoff]

A pre-cage Who am I by the clubhouse, water fountain in the background.

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Two clappers still my offer for the last who am I.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Before the cage:

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[batmagadanleadoff]

Who am I, posing as myself in this rare color photo (of myself) in a Padres uniform, the same style worn by Randy Jones when he lost to and then beat, former teammates of mine for the Cy Young award. And when you think of all the pitching talent the Mets were packing in their farm system when I was there, it's pretty amazin', amazin', amazin' that I'd be the one, me, myself! to give the franchise six years of major league service.

[Zvon]

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That's Casey Kasem, RIP.

Jim McAndrew- he shouldn't have posed as himself. That's was a dead give-away.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Zvon wrote: [youtube]eX2ktVn5b-c[/youtube] That's Casey Kasem, RIP. Jim McAndrew- he shouldn't have posed as himself. That's was a dead give-away.

Jim's too honest to pose as anybody else.

[Zvon]

No ones going to say anything about Kasem being an Angel?

[Zvon]

Uh-oh. I smell wood burning. That can only mean one thing. I have an idea, or the house is on fire again...TWO things!

For a possible off season project: has anyone ever done up Shea Stadium ala Gene Mack? I've always been a huge fan of Macks stadium drawings.

If no one has and I attempt to make one, what would be the details I should illustrate? Some are kinda obvious but I bet some of you guyz will come up with some lil golden nuggets of Shea history to include.

[Edgy MD]

Nice.

Obvious spots to me:
[list:1ymgow26][*:1ymgow26]Agee's home run spot.[/*:m:1ymgow26]
[*:1ymgow26]Ball-off-the-wall spot.[/*:m:1ymgow26]
[*:1ymgow26]Agee's catch spots.[/*:m:1ymgow26]
[*:1ymgow26]Swoboda's catch spot.[/*:m:1ymgow26]
[*:1ymgow26]Beatles stage spot.[/*:m:1ymgow26]
[*:1ymgow26]Sign man, seated in the position of his actual box.[/*:m:1ymgow26]
[*:1ymgow26]Piazza home run spot.[/*:m:1ymgow26][/list:u:1ymgow26]

[batmagadanleadoff]

It's been done. When I get home, I'll post the image. (But it doesn't cover Shea's entire history. )

[Zvon]

• Agee's home run spot.
• Ball-off-the-wall spot.
• Agee's catch spots.
• Swoboda's catch spot.
• Beatles stage spot.
• Sign man, seated in the position of his actual box.
• Piazza home run spot.

Edgy MD wrote: Nice. Obvious spots to me:

These are great. I didn't have the BOTW play on my list * slaps forehead (or The Beatles stage or sign-man, two must haves)

Also on my list: Spot in the infield where Pratt picked up Ventura (as opposed to spot where the ball went out of the park)

batmagadanleadoff wrote: It's been done. When I get home, I'll post the image. (But it doesn't cover Shea's entire history. )

We'll have to decide if it's worth updating. I'm doing a diagram worthy graphic drawing of Shea- if we don't use it here I'll find another use for it.

[Edgy MD]

[list:2hrg4mak][*:2hrg4mak]Spot where Melvin and Roger met mid-air.
[fimg=300:2hrg4mak]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-f1AAcKl1v6Q/TxzI4XQqZ3I/AAAAAAAAEUY/y_KA3h7jj6U/s1600/roger+cedeno+osw3.jpg[/fimg:2hrg4mak][/*:m:2hrg4mak]
[*:2hrg4mak]Spot where Ventura was halted from completing his lap.[/*:m:2hrg4mak]
[*:2hrg4mak]Spot where Endy robbed history, for a few outs, at least.[/*:m:2hrg4mak]
[*:2hrg4mak]Tomato patch.[/*:m:2hrg4mak]
[*:2hrg4mak]The Manufacturerer's Hanover sign that flashed H and E for hit and error.[/*:m:2hrg4mak]
[*:2hrg4mak]The bullpen cart.[/*:m:2hrg4mak]
[*:2hrg4mak]Mr. Met.[/*:m:2hrg4mak]
[*:2hrg4mak]Bill Shea's horseshoe of flowers.[/*:m:2hrg4mak]
[*:2hrg4mak]The two different facades on the inset external illustrations.[/*:m:2hrg4mak]
[*:2hrg4mak]Planes.[/*:m:2hrg4mak][/list:u:2hrg4mak]

[Zvon]

Shea will be laid out like this. I'm already considering a side insert that shows the TV booth with a nod to Murph and Kiner. I think that's the only thing we lose in this view.

The lil cartoon is an example of a historic arrow/point. I can take some of Macks original stuff and rework it, or draw the cartoon myself and scan it if I can't find one to fit.


There are a bunch of other stadiums done up here by Mack. I love his stuff. Look at Wrigley
http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?84778-1946-47-Sporting-News-Sketches-of-Major-League-Parks-by-Gene-Mack-Full-Set-of-14

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: It's been done. When I get home, I'll post the image. (But it doesn't cover Shea's entire history. )

Yup! I have that one, too. I don't think it gets out of the 1980s.

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

The spot where Willie, Yogi, Tom and Rusty walked out to the fans in fair territory in left field after the Rose/Harrelson brawl and asked them to stop pelting Pete with stuff.

I don't think I've ever seen anything like that again!


The route of the black cat in front of the Cubs dugout!

[batmagadanleadoff]

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: It's been done. When I get home, I'll post the image. (But it doesn't cover Shea's entire history. ) Yup! I have that one, too. I don't think it gets out of the 1980s.

Could you post it? I can't find that image on my PC.

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

This is NOT a great version of it, but I might be able to scan one tonight. it's by Amadee and was in a Sporting News stadium book.

[Edgy MD]

I didn't know Richard Kiel ever played for the Mets.

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

Edgy MD wrote: I didn't know Richard Kiel ever played for the Mets.

George Washington, too!

[Edgy MD]

Interestingly, they describe how Buckner "boots" the ball. But he of course booted nothing. As the illustration suggests, he just missed it.

[G-Fafif]

That same Sporting News book is the first place I ever saw MFYS II completely conflated with MFYS I (Ruth, DiMaggio, et al, portrayed as playing in the 1976 version), which is when I sensed the world was going to hell.

[Zvon]

Wow, that's excellent. Thanks for posting that. Do you know if that's done by Gene Mack? I figure he probably was long gone by the time the Shea one was done. What does the scoreboard say?
Is that one in left about Rose, and is the bottle actually hitting him? If I had a clearer copy I'd use the 69/86 pennants right off that one (easy to remake tho).


Ed said:The two different facades on the inset external illustrations.
Are you referring to the OF wall & Scoreboard? If you are referring to something else lemme know Ed.
I am using the old classic scoreboard and OF wall. The one above uses a mix of the classic and final -a midway version. I do want to find a way to work in the more recent SB/OF look. I think an external would be the only way to go. I'm going to need more blank space around the stadium.

I could make this an animated .gif where the scoreboard changes thru it's different looks, but we'll lose clarity and I'm afraid the text might end up unreadable (hey, maybe a future project-the evolution of the scoreboard).

I think all of the things chosen in that 80's one will be included. Any suggested cuts? There might end up being an issue with space. First to cut for me would be the Dykstra homer.

I'd rather not give the mound to Bunning, although his perfecto was the best completed work on that hill. His classic game does deserve mention...and maybe even the mound. I think Seavers 10 in a row trump that. I mean, that has not been repeated, no? Who gets it, Bunning or Seaver?

There could be room for up to 5 portrait sketches. 4 for sure (corners). 3 minimum. Unfortunately Gooden will not be one of these (at least using up that much real estate-he'll get a few mentions, maybe a small portrait-I can use any/all of the portraits done in that old 86Mets drawing of mine)
Casey, Seaver, Gil? (should Gil be one? Who else should get an insert tribute sketch?)

Here's a thought- small to medium size portrait sketches of the top 8 all time position Mets, and r/l/pen pitchers.

Shea itself is looking good and I'm glad I went with this back/above view as opposed to the standard offside look. I'm adding the crowd which is monotonous work.

[Edgy MD]

Ed said:The two different facades on the inset external illustrations. Are you referring to the OF wall & Scoreboard? If you are referring to something else lemme know Ed. I am using the old classic scoreboard and OF wall. The one above uses a mix of the classic and final -a midway version. I do want to find a way to work in the more recent SB/OF look. I think an external would be the only way to go. I'm going to need more blank space around the stadium.

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These inset illustrations in the lower left and lower right corners. They are inside baselines for Polo Grounds, but they likely would be different for Shea, because the perspective would be different. But I would use those two spots for illustrations of the two Shea exteriors --- the tile-coated Payson exterior and the neon-ballplayer-adorned Doubleday exterior.

In fact, I hereby move that these two skins be forever referred to as the Payson Exterior and the Doubleday Exterior.

If this works out well, can we do a shirt?

[Zvon]

Ed said:The two different facades on the inset external illustrations. Are you referring to the OF wall & Scoreboard? If you are referring to something else lemme know Ed. I am using the old classic scoreboard and OF wall. The one above uses a mix of the classic and final -a midway version. I do want to find a way to work in the more recent SB/OF look. I think an external would be the only way to go. I'm going to need more blank space around the stadium. [fimg=400]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Q0pphRGSQX4/VDGXkuKNfYI/AAAAAAAAU-Y/wH0IwpVA22k/s1042/sn4611mackpolo.jpg[/fimg] ^ ^ These inset illustrations in the lower left and lower right corners. They are inside baselines for Polo Grounds, but they likely would be different for Shea, because the perspective would be different. But I would use those two spots for illustrations of the two Shea exteriors --- the tile-coated Payson exterior and the neon-ballplayer-adorned Doubleday exterior. In fact, I hereby move that these two skins be forever referred to as the Payson Exterior and the Doubleday Exterior. If this works out well, can we do a shirt?

I don't know how legible it will look on a shirt, but sure.

The image will end up being wider than I assumed, making for more blank space to add stuff. If I was thinking shirt I'd try to make it more square, which can be done at this point. Just add more space to the top and bottom instead of the sides. Bundle everything above and below. I am not sure if I want to adjust the layout. It might lose the look I'm going for, which is a Mack type layout. I'll give this some thought. I may do a rectangular and a square version.

Now with the external Shea's, you are referring to the differences in the Stadiums outer shell, correct? If so that's a great idea that fits right in. Keep in mind this work will be in B&W and some changes won't be as obvious as they would be/look in color. But the two different Shea outer shell looks should play well in B&W.

I also want to focus on the scoreboard/OF wall changes but I may drop that idea -or add another insert, above it.

When I get this crowd done I'll try and put up a list here (during tonights games) of all the Metly things chosen for use. So far all the things chosen are pretty main stream. I'm looking to include obscure stuff.

Like, exactly where did the black cat come from out of, or from underneath, the stands? I'd like to point to that exact spot (and maybe add a trail arrow of the cats path in front of the Cubs dugout).

Also, about the Met Walk ( '73 playoff: Rusty,Yogi,Mays,Seaver,Jones)- I already added an arrow path (all additions do not have to be permanent) showing Gils path when walking out to pull Cleon in '69.
1) Did that happen at Shea or on the road?
2) It's the same path for the "MetWalk". Should I add the "MetWalk" to it, or should it trump the "Gil to Cleon" walk and bump it? I'm thinking "MetWalk" trumps/bumps "Gil2Cleon" walk.

[seawolf17]

I'd be afraid the small print would wash out on a shirt really quickly. A poster, however...

[batmagadanleadoff]

They said I was once the fastest player in all of baseball, even faster than Lou Brock and Maury Wills. Why I was so fast, that The Man From Topps couldn't catch me in a Mets uniform, even though I played for the Amazin's. Who am I?

[G-Fafif]

Billy Cowan?

[MFS62]

Zvon, it was that book that had me drawing baseball stadia for a long while.
If you're going to add the broadcast booth, don't forget to make space in it for Lindsay Nelson next to those other two guys.

Later

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G-Fafif wrote: Billy Cowan?