Wilmer Flores

[ashie62]

What about keeping Flores at 3B and moving Wright's contract.

Just kidding..

The scouts were correct on Wilmer's running speed.

[Edgy MD]

I'm not sure where the logjam that is becoming a joke is. If indeed the team has a surfeit of talent, that' s a darned good thing.

If there's been a conclusive portrait of Flores at top speed in his three games thus far, I've missed it.

[Edgy MD]

For what it's worth, he has been playing hobbled.

[Frayed Knot]

He's certainly not fast, but he's also not AS slow as some led me to believe.
Like I said at the beginning of this thread, I had heard '25' speed from some sources but I thought that had to be absurd and it was. With 50 representing ML average on the 20-80 scale, 60 & 40 would translate to somewhat above/below average, 70 and 30 to well above/below average, and 80 & 20 to Billy Hamilton and Mo Vaughn, Flores at worst seems like 35/40 now who could very well fall to 30/35 as he gets older. Olerud was slower than him, as is Miggy Cabrera, most catchers, a number of 1st basemen, and everyone named Molina.

[duan]

he nearly beat out an infield hit the other night, and I thought did so at a relatively spritely clip. It didn't look like one where I thought "how is he not there"

Lateral movement is something you probably don't get to see an enormous amount of quickly at third, because, so many of the plays are so quick.

[Vic Sage]

Speed and quickness are 2 entirely different talents.
Brooks Robinson was a glacier running the bases but his reaction time and first step was so quick at 3B that nothing could get by him.

Now, i don't know yet whether Mr. Flowers has either speed OR quickness, but for an infielder, quickness is the more important.

[duan]

absolutely. I just meant that even in the games he's had, it's probably hard to see the lateral movement that's necessary for 2nd while he's playing at 3rd. Suppose if we start "doing the shift" we'll get a better sense of it.

[ashie62]

Edgy MD wrote: I'm not sure where the logjam that is becoming a joke is. If indeed the team has A surfeit of talent, that' s a darned good thing. If there's been a conclusive portrait of Flores at top speed in his three games thus far, I've missed it.

You can remove Nieuwenhuis and Duda from any logjam. Their Met careers seem truly spent.

[Frayed Knot]

Flores certainly seems to have a strong enough arm for 3rd base.

[Zvon]

Kids got good hands, great arm, and is slow as shit. Lazy slow. When they took him from short they should have made him a catcher.

[metirish]

Collins is going to play Flores at 2nd sometime this week, when asked about him playing the outfield Collins said "No,no,no", on 1st base ....�We have too many guys there,� Collins said.

Hope he can play 2nd because at least for this season his options are limited.