FREE FISH

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

This weekend's games? Plenty of [crossout]good[/crossout] seats still available... which makes those of us who, y'know, paid for seats feel great about our investment.

[Ceetar]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: This weekend's games? Plenty of [crossout]good[/crossout] seats still available... which makes those of us who, y'know, paid for seats feel great about our investment.

Which is why there's a floor on dynamic pricing, because people got upset at the idea of people getting cheaper seats than them.

But it's a cold weekend in April against a Triple-A team. There's going to be like 4 people there.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Ceetar wrote: Which is why there's a floor on dynamic pricing ....

If there's a floor, then it's not true dynamic pricing, is it? I don't understand how the Mets expect to sell their excess by taking a hard line and holding to the face value in a declining, or buyer's, market? Why would I spend $100 for a ticket when I can get the same ticket for $40 on stubhub? Personally, I'm skeptical (as always) about the team's claims that they won't sell below the face value floor: they'll either openly renege due to market forces, or surreptitiously (if they aren't doing this already) sell at market on stubhub through some intermediary (next Mets scandal when they get caught).

[Ceetar]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Which is why there's a floor on dynamic pricing .... If there's a floor, then it's not true dynamic pricing, is it? I don't understand how the Mets expect to sell their excess by taking a hard line and holding to the face value in a declining, or buyer's, market? Why would I spend $100 for a ticket when I can get the same ticket for $40 on stubhub? Personally, I'm skeptical (as always) about the team's claims that they won't sell below the face value floor: they'll either openly renege due to market forces, or surreptitiously (if they aren't doing this already) sell at market on stubhub through some intermediary (next Mets scandal when they get caught).

They won't. it's computer generated and hard-coded. It won't go below what a season ticket holder paid for that section, because they did that in 2009 and season ticket holders complained.

Now, they've designated sections where they don't sell season tickets. I don't know how they break it up, since it's possible to get packages in every pricing tier, but that's presumably where they give away the free tickets to and what not. The idea being you'll never sit next to someone who's a season ticket holder and paid more for the seat than you did (of course, that's not true, Stub Hub, etc, but not from the Mets). Given that you can't reduce the price dynamically to _just_ 505 instead of the whole Prom Reserved, the dynamic pricing floor exists.

But it's sorta 'brilliant' in a way. Even with a high demand for Opening Day (it was still near capacity even if there were empty seats) for the cheaper sections buying directly from the Mets was a better deal than Stubhub in most cases. Especially with Stubhub messing with the fees and introducing a floor as well, the Mets end up selling a new ticket and letting the ones on stubhub go on used, rather than fans buying the already sold ticket on stubhub. The Mets don't care that there are empty seats and thousands unsold tickets on StubHub.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: Which is why there's a floor on dynamic pricing .... If there's a floor, then it's not true dynamic pricing, is it? I don't understand how the Mets expect to sell their excess by taking a hard line and holding to the face value in a declining, or buyer's, market? Why would I spend $100 for a ticket when I can get the same ticket for $40 on stubhub? Personally, I'm skeptical (as always) about the team's claims that they won't sell below the face value floor: they'll either openly renege due to market forces, or surreptitiously (if they aren't doing this already) sell at market on stubhub through some intermediary (next Mets scandal when they get caught). They won't. it's computer generated and hard-coded. It won't go below what a season ticket holder paid for that section, because they did that in 2009 and season ticket holders complained. Now, they've designated sections where they don't sell season tickets. I don't know how they break it up, since it's possible to get packages in every pricing tier, but that's presumably where they give away the free tickets to and what not. The idea being you'll never sit next to someone who's a season ticket holder and paid more for the seat than you did (of course, that's not true, Stub Hub, etc, but not from the Mets). Given that you can't reduce the price dynamically to _just_ 505 instead of the whole Prom Reserved, the dynamic pricing floor exists. But it's sorta 'brilliant' in a way. Even with a high demand for Opening Day (it was still near capacity even if there were empty seats) for the cheaper sections buying directly from the Mets was a better deal than Stubhub in most cases. Especially with Stubhub messing with the fees and introducing a floor as well, the Mets end up selling a new ticket and letting the ones on stubhub go on used, rather than fans buying the already sold ticket on stubhub. The Mets don't care that there are empty seats and thousands unsold tickets on StubHub.

Ceetar wrote: Especially with Stubhub messing with the fees and introducing a floor as well

Is there a floor on Stubhub? I didn't know this. You mean that I'm not allowed to sell my own ticket on stubhub for as low as I choose?

Ceetar wrote: But it's sorta 'brilliant' in a way

I don't get the brilliancy. Maybe yesterday. But if this Mets season unfolds like the last few, it'll make little sense for a desperately cash strapped organization like the Mets to eat unsold tickets because of an artificial floor that they're supposedly self-enforcing rather than sell at market. You're telling me that they'd rather give away, or worse -- hoard $60 tickets because they made a promise not to sell them for $40 or $20? How's that brilliant? Because of an unenforceable promise they made to season ticket holders about an artificial floor? An unenforceable promise that might carry no penalty in the event the team is caught lying about it?

Ceetar wrote: The Mets don't care that there are empty seats and thousands unsold tickets on StubHub.

I'd really like to believe so, but the adult inside of me is telling me that this is a naive thought. It won't surprise me if it turns out that the team sells on stubhub at market and below face value through wholly or mostly owned subsidiaries. Whaddya gonna do if it turns out that this is what's happening? Boycott the Mets? You're an addict. And so am I. And these baseball teams are corporate versions of chronic bullshitting sociopaths. They're corporate Tony Sopranos, but with the law on their side and a legal license to sell the equivalent of crack cocaine to hopelessly addicted fans.

[Ceetar]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Ceetar wrote: The Mets don't care that there are empty seats and thousands unsold tickets on StubHub. I'd really like to believe so, but the adult inside of me is telling me that this is a naive thought. It won't surprise me if it turns out that the team sells on stubhub at market and below face value through wholly or mostly owned subsidiaries. Whaddya gonna do if it turns out that this is what's happening? Boycott the Mets? You're an addict. And so am I. And these baseball teams are corporate versions of chronic bullshitting sociopaths. They're corporate Tony Sopranos, but with the law on their side and a legal license to sell the equivalent of crack cocaine to hopelessly addicted fans.

Maybe. Obviously I'm an addict, and that's why I don't get up in arms about the price. As much as it pains me to pay $63 (+9) for Opening Day and hell, the second they went on sale in a Dec presale despite knowing I probably didn't have to, I know that any 'fan outrage' at this price is really just bluster. Almost everyone yelling is going to go. These are the die-hards. And even the ones that end up balking, will come back when they even sense a winning streak.

Are they selling to Stubhub? It's been vehemently denied so many times. I have no idea myself. I think, at least in previous years, that this wasn't true. the huge volume was due to scalpers thinking to capitalize on a good team and a new stadium and buying packages and plans. and not 'professional' scalpers either. It's so easy to resell that I was tempted to buy one. You can probably fund it solely on Subway Series/Opening Day tickets when you're not at the bottom of popularity like the Mets are now. I think this dynamic pricing thing might be instead of trying to dump below face value seats on StubHub. They've managed to get the cheap seats to mostly match the secondary market. (And $12 is the lowest price tomorrow. walk-up and no fees. Where they might get hurt if there's no demand is the higher priced summer weekend games.) And they seem to be pushing all these deals, free tickets on your birthday, buy one get one, student rush, etc. Seems like they don't really care about not selling a $60 seat by not putting it to $40 and instead work these deals and promotions as the way to get people into the park. Worrying about about just getting them through the door than trying to upsell them on sections.

yeah, Stubhub put in a floor this year. think it's $6 or something..plus fees of course. It'll display the price you pay on the website now, which I think is hiding higher fees than in the past. I was going to try to sell an Opener ticket. I think I listed the $63 face ticket that I paid $72 for at ~75 and I think it listed for about 85 and was going to pay me 65.

[Gwreck]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: or surreptitiously (if they aren't doing this already) sell at market on stubhub through some intermediary (next Mets scandal when they get caught).

You are not the first person to suspect this. There have been, at times over the past few years, large blocks of seats sold under face value, both through Stubhub and other intermediate brokers. I remember buying a pair of tickets off a Craigslist seller in April 2010 for a Sunday night game. The seats were in the "Caesar's Platinum" section, one of the first two rows behind the plate in the middle deck. I believe I paid $25/ticket.

The physical tickets I was given were on Mets box-office ticket stock and showed a "printed" date earlier in the week. Most surprisingly, had no price listed anywhere on the ticket. How they got from the Mets box office to the seller is a mystery...

[Gwreck]

Ceetar wrote: Especially with Stubhub messing with the fees and introducing a floor as well

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Is there a floor on Stubhub? I didn't know this. You mean that I'm not allowed to sell my own ticket on stubhub for as low as I choose?

There is no price floor for sellers (or if there is, it might be $1 or 50 cents).

Stubhub does charge a minimum "service" and "delivery" fee, however, so you cannot possibly buy a ticket from them for less than $6.

[Ceetar]

Gwreck wrote: Ceetar wrote: Especially with Stubhub messing with the fees and introducing a floor as well batmagadanleadoff wrote: Is there a floor on Stubhub? I didn't know this. You mean that I'm not allowed to sell my own ticket on stubhub for as low as I choose? There is no price floor for sellers (or if there is, it might be $1 or 50 cents). Stubhub does charge a minimum "service" and "delivery" fee, however, so you cannot possibly buy a ticket from them for less than $6.

I thought it was $6, but it's $3. Factor in the $1.50 MLB transfer fee there, plus fees and it says "Buyer sees $6" payout on that is $2.55 (and that's for selling two tickets at $3)

[metirish]

Am I reading this correctly?, there is also an option to "buy 1, get 1 free"?

[metirish]

Just got this in the mail

as a Sirius XM subscriber there's a buy one get one free with a good pick of games

http://mlb.mlb.com/nym/ticketing/group_offers.jsp?group=sirius


Nats game looking like a good choice, or the Pirates.....thinking one of those.

[seawolf17]

And BOOM the Wolves will be in attendance on Sunday.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: This weekend's games? Plenty of [crossout]good[/crossout] seats still available... which makes those of us who, y'know, paid for seats feel great about our investment.

Hey, you'll have more company so it won't feel so quiet and empty. That's got to be worth something, right?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

seawolf17 wrote: And BOOM the Wolves will be in attendance on Sunday.

The Buckets may drop by too. I can't miss the Laff-O-Lympics

[seawolf17]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: seawolf17 wrote: And BOOM the Wolves will be in attendance on Sunday. The Buckets may drop by too. I can't miss the Laff-O-Lympics

It'll be just me and MiniWolf; my wife and daughter are headed up for a funeral/girls' weekend, but we've got Opening Day on Saturday.

[Edgy MD]

Laff-A-Lympics.

Shows from my formative years that ran for like two weeks, had few redeeming qualities, and I can't go a week without thinking about.

[metsmarathon]

minimm will be making his 2013 citi field debut on sunday as well. he's nice enough to drag us along.

[seawolf17]

We will rendezvous somewhere and take a photo of all of us so we can compare it to the group photo they take of the three Minipoolers at the 2027 MLB Draft.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Four, if YoungerPooper takes to the knuckler like I hope she will.

(BetterHalfer has to be somewhere for work, and will either skip the game or skip early, pre-TotTrot.)

[metirish]

you guys talking about Sunday right?, was thinking saturday but sunday is looking good.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Sunday here.

[metsmarathon]

sunday

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Sunday

[seawolf17]

All the cool kids will be there on Sunday.

[metsmarathon]

and some of their parents, too.

[metirish]

Looks like Lorcan and I will be there......

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

More than ever, I wish I lived close enough to join in the fun.

[seawolf17]

Try the Fung Wah! (Oh, wait.)

When/where are we meeting, everyone? Shea Bridge, some time midgame? We're in section 415.

[metsmarathon]

minimm's keith hernandez bobblehead will be making a return trip to citi field, so he can sit in tommy's lap. "because he's a mets guy and he wants to watch them play." i don't think i can possibly say no to that logic.