The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

[metirish]

Rodriguez looking at a lifetime ban according to sources

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/07/23/report-yankees-alex-rodriguez-is-looking-to-make-a-deal-with-mlb/

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

metirish wrote: Rodriguez looking at a lifetime ban according to sources http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/07/23/report-yankees-alex-rodriguez-is-looking-to-make-a-deal-with-mlb/

Seems excessive and unlikely.

[Frayed Knot]

Mets � Willets Point wrote: Rodriguez looking at a lifetime ban according to sources http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/07/23/report-yankees-alex-rodriguez-is-looking-to-make-a-deal-with-mlb/ Seems excessive and unlikely.

I agree. I suspect MLB will threaten along those lines before settling for something significant, but ultimately less.

[metirish]

as long as the Yankees have to keep paying him .So yeah a lifetime ban would not be good.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: Rodriguez looking at a lifetime ban according to sources http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/07/23/report-yankees-alex-rodriguez-is-looking-to-make-a-deal-with-mlb/ Seems excessive and unlikely. I agree. I suspect MLB will threaten along those lines before settling for something significant, but ultimately less.

A-Rod strikes me as the type of guy that will fight it tooth and nail to the last inch.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

The Yankees oh so carefully pile up a three run lead, and the Rangers swat it away like a fly. 4-3 Texas, top 7th,

[Frayed Knot]

Rodriguez looking at a lifetime ban according to sources http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/07/23/report-yankees-alex-rodriguez-is-looking-to-make-a-deal-with-mlb/ Seems excessive and unlikely. I agree. I suspect MLB will threaten along those lines before settling for something significant, but ultimately less. A-Rod strikes me as the type of guy that will fight it tooth and nail to the last inch.

Maybe. But I think what's becoming apparent with the Braun case is that MLB has the goods here and accepting their terms of punishment, or some negotiated version of it, could be the wiser move here. The union will back the players of course but they don't sound whole-heartedly into it and could very well recommend against. Plus a hearing runs the risk of getting the details out in public. Better to accept the medicine and keep the specifics private.

Stories were leaking out today that what they've got on ARod is "well beyond" what they had on Braun and Braun is technically only a first-time offender. Also reports about ARod actively trying to hinder MLB's investigation (lying?, bribing? hiding evidence?) which won't sit well with the league office.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Swan Swan H wrote: The Yankees oh so carefully pile up a three run lead, and the Rangers swat it away like a fly. 4-3 Texas, top 7th,

Blew a lead with 2 out in the 9th, MFYs win 5-4.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

I guess what makes it plausible is that the commissioner's office may want to make a big Kennesaw Mountain Landis statement against PED by banning one of the best (and highest paid) players in the game. That Arod is generally disliked even by the fans of the team he plays on means that they could do it without too much blowback from the fans.

I still think a lifetime ban would be extreme for PED use. I'm not aware of any player ever being banned for life for anything other than throwing or betting on games (Or, you know, being black).

[Edgy MD]

Basketball used to have a lifetime ban for recidivist drug abusers, but it was in name only, as they were still allowed to apply for reinstatement after a year. I guess a similar case is the lifetime ban George Steinbrenner got.

[metirish]

Heard on 1010 WINS thins morning that Rodriguez is not seeking a deal and will as posted above fight this to the end....MLB apparently have a mountain of evidence against him.

If he is banned for life what does that do to his contract?, probably be a fight over that too.

[Frayed Knot]

Players do NOT get paid while on suspension so a suspension (ban) for life would kill his contract.

But that's exactly why (one of several reasons really) it's not going to happen.
The union is saying that they're not going to pretend that someone isn't guilty if the evidence shows that they are, but that doesn't mean they'll just sit back while MLB runs one of their guys out of the business. With the 'Basic Agreement' spelling out the specific penalties: 50 games for first offense -- then 100 games -- then lifetime, it would be real tough for MLB to make a case that Alex deserves third offender status when his only real previous "crime" was inclusion on that initial round of testing back in 2003 before anyone was even subject to penalties and was supposed to remain anonymous.

MLB is supposedly going to try and argue that taking the drugs, then lying about it to investigators, and possibly throwing up other roadblocks to the investigations are all separate acts and therefore he's a multiple offender but you want to try and make that case in front of an arbitrator? The one thing MLB does NOT want to do here is swing for the fences but miss and wind up getting less than they would have had they stuck more to the book punishments.

So MLB will threaten something harsh, ARod will make noises that he's going to fight for his innocence, and they'll eventually compromise on something in between; that's my guess anyhow. He'll play again but it'll be sometime in 2014 and probably not for opening day.

[seawolf17]

metirish wrote: as long as the Yankees have to keep paying him .So yeah a lifetime ban would not be good.

Totally agree.

[Centerfield]

ARod is obviously being set up here.

5 game suspension. Community service. MFY's forfeit 2009 WS Championship.

Sounds about right to me.

FREE AROD!!!!

[Edgy MD]

I'd like to see teams remain responsible for the salaries of suspended players --- it can go toward a general fund or toward charity --- rather than be relieved of the burden and suddenly have all this money freed up to invest in some other bum. It would give them a real incentive into doing due diligence and keeping their own standards in their own clubhouse, rather than claiming they were duped. And that would give the players increase incentive also.

Right now, the team's incentive with A-Rod is to give him enough rope to hang himself.

[Centerfield]

I'd like that rule only to apply to the Yankees.

And I'd like the forfeited salary to be donated to me.

[Vic Sage]

CF is, as almost always, entirely correct. Except the salary should be donated to the Vic Sage offspring college fund.

IN addition, A-Rod should get a 2nd opinion on his injury. When it's demonstrated that the injury has already healed and the Yankees are just jerking him around because they don't want to see his pretty face anymore, A-Rod should be immediately reinstated to the active roster by MLB, forcing the MFYs to release him outright, owing him the balance of his contract. Then, he should go play for the Red Sox and hit a 7th game/9th inning HR that wins the WS for the Sox...while the Yanks are still paying him.

[Centerfield]

Have you seen his salary?

You better get working on some more offspring.

[Vic Sage]

well, i'm going to have to donate a building or two to some ivy league schools just to get them admitted, so that might run into money.

[Frayed Knot]

In addition to his ongoing problems with the league, it's ARod & the Yanx who are squabbling at the moment. He claims he's healthy and to prove it he went and got a 2nd opinion on the MRI on his quad. His doc claims he's good to play and ARod wants to play by Friday.
Cashman though is saying Alex is going against policy by getting a 2nd opinion without first obtaining club permission and that he'll play when they tell him he's ready to play and not a minute sooner.

As Irish would say: handbags at twenty paces.

[Vic Sage]

and of course the dr he chose has been reprimanded by NJ board for his involvement with steroids.

it just keeps getting better.

[Frayed Knot]

A story I heard earlier today (not sure of the accuracy) says that ARod wants to hear what he wants to hear and if he doesn't he simply fires the guys telling him otherwise. Supposedly he's gone through three lawyers and at least two pr flacks in the last six months for just these reasons.
I suppose if you do that it's only a matter of time until you find a guy who says; "Sure, fighting this to your last breath is a good idea ... there's no way they have proof you did anything"

[metirish]

It really is fascinating....would love if he showed up for the game tomorrow.

[Ceetar]

metirish wrote: It really is fascinating....would love if he showed up for the game tomorrow.

Show up in uniform and if they tell him he can't stay, buy the best ticket he can and tweet from the seats in full uniform.

[Frayed Knot]

Among ARod's complaints, apparently, is that Jeter gets to be in uniform and in the dugout while on the DL for the same supposed injury but yet he's being treated as if he's got leprosy.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: Among ARod's complaints, apparently, is that Jeter gets to be in uniform and in the dugout while on the DL for the same supposed injury but yet he's being treated as if he's got leprosy.

15day versus 60day, not sure that's hard-coded into the CBA (not that A-Rod cares) though.

Let's say A-Rod walked away. he won't, obviously, but do you think the Yankees retire his number? I mean, he's going into the Hall of Fame when the writers get over their bias, and he's mostly a Yankee and they retire just about everyone's numbers..

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

Frayed Knot wrote: Among ARod's complaints, apparently, is that Jeter gets to be in uniform and in the dugout while on the DL for the same supposed injury but yet he's being treated as if he's got leprosy.

That's because Jeter, at this point, is pretty much a mascot, but without the dugout roof dances and t-shirt-shooting guns.

[Ceetar]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Among ARod's complaints, apparently, is that Jeter gets to be in uniform and in the dugout while on the DL for the same supposed injury but yet he's being treated as if he's got leprosy. That's because Jeter, at this point, is pretty much a mascot, but without the dugout roof dances and t-shirt-shooting guns.

he does hand out gift baskets though.

[MFS62]

Ceetar wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Among ARod's complaints, apparently, is that Jeter gets to be in uniform and in the dugout while on the DL for the same supposed injury but yet he's being treated as if he's got leprosy. That's because Jeter, at this point, is pretty much a mascot, but without the dugout roof dances and t-shirt-shooting guns. he does hand out gift baskets though.

Jeter's a stallion. ARod is just a horse's ass.
Later

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

MFS62 wrote: Ceetar wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Among ARod's complaints, apparently, is that Jeter gets to be in uniform and in the dugout while on the DL for the same supposed injury but yet he's being treated as if he's got leprosy. That's because Jeter, at this point, is pretty much a mascot, but without the dugout roof dances and t-shirt-shooting guns. he does hand out gift baskets though. Jeter's a stallion. ARod is just a horse's ass. Later

Then he needs a better costume!