ALCS/NCLS: Who Are You Rooting For?

[bmfc1]

Obviously, pick one team from the AL and one from the NL. This is your heart and not your head.

[ashie62]

St. Louis, they are perpertually decent and sac up.

[Guest Kong76]

Took Giants and Tigers

[Guest Swan Swan H]

Cardinals and Tigers. Still wish ill to the Giants fans for gaming the All-Star vote.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

We need to expel the traitors rooting for the Cardinals from this forum.

(j/k - mostly).

[Ceetar]

Mets � Willets Point wrote: We need to expel the traitors rooting for the Cardinals from this forum. (j/k - mostly).

I don't harbor much animosity for them. I figure if we balance 2006 against 2000 we're even in the postseasons that I've watched.

But really it's just Beltran. I don't hate the Giants, but I'm hoping for Beltran to break his streak of having really awesome NLCSs and losing anyway. It was the Cardinals that advanced both times, so maybe that bodes well for him.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

Whippersnappers don't remember '85, '87, the White Rat, corked-bat accusations, Coleman stealing bases at will, and Pond Scum (among other things).

[Frayed Knot]

I'm still pissed about 2006

[batmagadanleadoff]

Go Cards Go! Because I think that Selig and the baseball heads are rooting against the Wild Card teams. And if Selig's against the Cards, I'm all for them.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

Mets � Willets Point wrote: Whippersnappers don't remember '85, '87, the White Rat, corked-bat accusations, Coleman stealing bases at will, and Pond Scum (among other things).

I'm old enough to have used the term whippersnapper unironically, but the Giants are the more recent antagonist to me. Plus, Beltran deserves a ring.

[Ceetar]

Swan Swan H wrote: Mets � Willets Point wrote: Whippersnappers don't remember '85, '87, the White Rat, corked-bat accusations, Coleman stealing bases at will, and Pond Scum (among other things). I'm old enough to have used the term whippersnapper unironically, but the Giants are the more recent antagonist to me. Plus, Beltran deserves a ring.

I'm the whippersnapper i suppose, but that last thing is what I'm rooting for most.

However minutely, it strengthens the likelihood of another Met in the Hall of Fame, and of anything that could happen in the postseason this year, that one's the one that has the potential to create pleasant moments for me in the future.

Provided of course that the Mets don't drop the ball on the Alumni relations bit of it, which I'm not confident in.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

Carlos Beltran plays for the enemy now. Whatever he does helps the Cards' legacy not the Mets. And their legacy is a dumptruck full of World Series championships, pennants, and Mets humiliations so I really don't want to see them add to that.

[Ceetar]

Mets � Willets Point wrote: Carlos Beltran plays for the enemy now. Whatever he does helps the Cards' legacy not the Mets. And their legacy is a dumptruck full of World Series championships, pennants, and Mets humiliations so I really don't want to see them add to that.

Yes, but it also helps _his_ legacy. I don't get any enjoyment/dislike out of a Cardinals WS, or a Giants, or a Tigers. Nothing about this particular team has anything to do with Mets humiliation. But one day down the road I'll hopefully get to enjoy a couple of days of celebrating Carlos Beltran as a Met and a Hall of Famer. I'll get to go to Citi Field and see them retire Val Pascucci's 15. I'll try to drive up to Cooperstown to see him inducted.

The Cardinals aren't division rivals or city rivals. I'm not going to have to watch them 18 times next year against the Mets or scoreboard watch hoping they lose so the Mets can win the division. (Maybe in September, maybe, if they're both competing for the second Wild Card) I'm not going to have to hear Cardinals fans gloating at work or in my life anywhere. So if another championship for them helps in some small way for me to enjoy a couple of days in 2020? Go Cards.

[MFS62]

Tigers - d'oh.
Cards - so that Tony LaRussa can see that it wasn't just him.

Later

[Vic Sage]

The Giants spawned the mets: the orange in our uniform is THEIR orange, their Willie Mays was our city's Willie Mays, we PLAYED in the polo grounds, for crissakes.
And Whitey Herzog, tony larussa, Mark McGwire, terry pendleton, willie mcgee, tommie herr, Vince Coleman, Adam Wainwright, playing in that astroturf pinball park --- they can blow me.
And Beltran? His vaunted post-season production included only 2 series for the Mets, in `06: he was crap against the Dodgers (but we won anyway) and he played well against the Cards, until he watched the Wainwright curveball. so she can blow me too. and don't worry Ceetar, he aint going into the HOF with a Mets hat, so you won't be betraying the Blue & Orange.

[Ceetar]

sure he is.

[Vic Sage]

well, we don't know how his career is going to end up, but as of now, KC was the team with whom he came up, won a ROY and was an All-Star, and he played roughly about the same (a little less) of games for them as he did for NYC. Yes, his peak years were in NY, but so were his injury-plagued years and notorious post-season.

I figure its about a 50/50 shot, but given his druthers, I think he'd pick a KC hat, and I'd be happy to see him in it. I think if a player comes up with a team and significantly contributes to his HOF credentials with that team, that's the hat he should wear, unless his career for a subsequent team is substantially longer and better. Carter should be an Expos, Piazza should be a Dodger, Winfield should be a Padre. The hometown team should always get any close call in this area, rather than the team a player later gets bought by. Of course, that can be outweighed if the hometeam career was relatively insignificant compared to his later team, but i don't think that's the case for Beltran. Maybe if he'd contributed to a WS championship, that would've tipped the balance, but he didn't.

[Ceetar]

He played more in NY, if slightly, went to the postseason as a Met and played very well, and was a better player in NY. By OPS+ (so as compared to the rest of the league) were (mostly) in NY and you add in two more before you get a second Royals year. It was in NY he made his Hall of Fame case, I don't care who happened to draft him. And he doesn't get to pick.

[metirish]

Giants and Tigers

[metsmarathon]

based on beltran's war - that thing which is everything and the only thing forever and ever - per team:

team - bwar / fwar
kcr - 23.4 / 25.5
hou - 4.4 / 4.0
nym - 30.2 / 30.9
sfg - 1.0 / 1.3
stl - 3.6 / 3.6

beltran's best years were with the mets. is it a big enough difference to begin to say that he is best remembered as a met, or most notably a met? it may be too early to say. he may be most notably an astro...

[Frayed Knot]

Beltran's post-season stats extrapolated to 600 ABs:

.370 / .481 / .824
222 Hits; 211 Runs; 39 2Bs; 78 HRs; 139 RBIs; 83 Ks; 128 BBs; 50 SBs/0 CS

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

Frayed Knot wrote: Beltran's post-season stats extrapolated to 600 ABs: .370 / .481 / .824 222 Hits; 211 Runs; 39 2Bs; 78 HRs; 139 RBIs; 83 Ks; 128 BBs; 50 SBs/0 CS

He's Clutch�.

[Gwreck]

Is this a parody twitter account set up shame the bigoted wing of the Cardinals fanbase...or something worse? I just can't quite tell.

https://twitter.com/BestFansStLouis/