A-Rod poll

[metirish]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Um, Wow, Arod for Heath Bell. http://keitholbermann.mlblogs.com/2012/10/17/exclusive-yanks-marlins-talk-a-rod-trade/

damn, and then they would need a 3rd baseman


lock up DW now!

[Frayed Knot]

Long-shot trade rumors aside, good on Olberman for:
- referring to Trump as a "TV game show host"
- noting that he was sitting in a box provided for free by the team
- saying how the team has normally been ""aggressively retaliatory" towards those spreading bad pub from insiders or those getting free seats

That what Trump said is both stupid and mostly inaccurate goes without saying, but many will simply spread his words for the fun of it while pretending to be reporting news without noting the contradictions and personal bias behind them.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

Is there a special word in German for the pleasant feeling you get from watching the Yankees implode? Schadenfreude is just not strong enough.

[Frayed Knot]

Cashman is apparently denying that there have been trade talks between them and Miami and specifically dismissed the Olberman story.

But just the fact that this is all 'out there' while ARod sits during the most important week of the season makes it too delicious to ignore.

[metsmarathon]

not that we have anywhere to necessarily play him, but if the deal were on the table to trade jason bay for alex rodriguez with the yankees covering the difference in the two salaries, would you take it?

[Ceetar]

metsmarathon wrote: not that we have anywhere to necessarily play him, but if the deal were on the table to trade jason bay for alex rodriguez with the yankees covering the difference in the two salaries, would you take it?

Meaning we owe the same amount of money we do now, we just have A-Rod instead of Bay? In a heartbeat. For 1, the money coming with the contract would allow Alderson to spend a bit more this season knowing more comes off the books next year, or we have basically a free player that the Yankees are paying that we can release whenever. Make A-Rod play second. He won't be worse than Murphy defensively and he's still going to have some good years ahead of him if he stays healthy.

[MFS62]

As the title of the thread says, any way you look at it, A-Rod is definitely getting poll-ed.

Later

[seawolf17]

Ceetar wrote: metsmarathon wrote: not that we have anywhere to necessarily play him, but if the deal were on the table to trade jason bay for alex rodriguez with the yankees covering the difference in the two salaries, would you take it? Meaning we owe the same amount of money we do now, we just have A-Rod instead of Bay? In a heartbeat. For 1, the money coming with the contract would allow Alderson to spend a bit more this season knowing more comes off the books next year, or we have basically a free player that the Yankees are paying that we can release whenever. Make A-Rod play second. He won't be worse than Murphy defensively and he's still going to have some good years ahead of him if he stays healthy.

I had a Yankee fan friend offer me that same deal. Five years is a long time, but for virtually nothing? I'd be tempted to take that too.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Well, sure, if you're not paying him then you're not really locked in for five years. You can always flip him to another team or release him.

[Ceetar]

hell, I'd do that even if it meant including Daniel Murphy to play third.

[Frayed Knot]

The thing about any potential trade, over and above the myriad of other obstacles his age/contract/drama would bring that is, is that the Yanx' actions of these past few days make him that much tougher to deal and worth a whole lot lot less than he theoretically would have been just weeks ago.

[seawolf17]

Ceetar wrote: hell, I'd do that even if it meant including Daniel Murphy to play third.

Um, Ceets? WE HAVE A GODDAMN THIRD BASEMAN. #paytheman

[Ceetar]

seawolf17 wrote: Ceetar wrote: hell, I'd do that even if it meant including Daniel Murphy to play third. Um, Ceets? WE HAVE A GODDAMN THIRD BASEMAN. #paytheman

oh, I'm making A-Rod play second.

At least, I assume A-Rod at second is better than him at short and Tejada at second.

[Frayed Knot]

Just to play along with this silly speculation game here:

- It's been, what, 8 years since he played SS? Guys about to turn 38 who have been off that position for so long aren't good bets to go back to it

- Lord I can't see him handling 2nd base. Too big and too late in the game to learn the subtleties of that position

- at 3B we of course have someone there (at least for now) although ARod played the position fairly well whenever I saw him this year. But then there's the problem of how often he can play it. He missed just over 1/4 of this past season to injuries and then DH'd more than 30% of the time when he was in the lineup. Now not all of those I'm sure were days that he had to DH or would have been unable to play at all, but shirley some of them were making him an even worse bet for an NL team.

[HahnSolo]

Probably mindless speculation on my part, but we're overlooking the likelihood that first base might be ARod's destination if in fact he ends up in the NL. And if he were here, and so was Wright, that would be where I would expect him to play. What that means for Ike, I don't know?

[MFS62]

HahnSolo wrote: Probably mindless speculation on my part, but we're overlooking the likelihood that first base might be ARod's destination if in fact he ends up in the NL. And if he were here, and so was Wright, that would be where I would expect him to play. What that means for Ike, I don't know?

I'll super-speculate. He was a pitcher in college and has an arm good enough to play the outfield. He has said he would move to the outfield. So with righthanded hitters to protect him in the lineup, I'd guess it means MVP.
We now return this thread to sanity.

Later

[seawolf17]

2014?

Tejada SS (solid OBP, runs a little)
Murphy 2B (situational hitting, bats .310)
Wright 3B (55 home runs, second consecutive MVP season)
Ike Davis LF (.240/35/110)
Rodriguez 1B (.260/22/88 in 120 games)
Duda RF (.250/30/80)
Somebody C (a little defense, a little offense)
Valdespin CF (a little defense, a little offense)
Harvey P

[metirish]

From Deadspin

A Speculative Column About A-Rod Being Traded Contains The Dumbest Sentence You�ll Read Today
Tom Ley

With Alex Rodriguez quickly falling out of favor in New York, speculation has started to fly about whether or not the Yankees would be interested in trading Rodriguez in the offseason. This morning, USA Today's Bob Nightengale got in on the action with this column, claiming that "This will be the last time you'll ever see Alex Rodriguez in a New York Yankees uniform." The piece is entirely speculative and contains nothing of substance to back up its bold claim (Nightengale talked to a "close friend" of Rodriguez's who says A-Rod would welcome a trade but will not request one. That's it. That's all the reporting he has to offer.), but that's not really what makes it so awful. What makes it so awful is a line from this passage (emphasis is mine): [brian] Cashman vehemently denied a report by Keith Olbermann for MLB.com that said the Yankees have already discussed a deal to the Miami Marlins. "I've had no discussions whatsoever with the Florida Marlins,'' Cashman said, but then again, didn't deny talks with the Miami Marlins. "I can tell you there are no discussions whatsoever, 100% false. We are not down the line on any trade talks on any of our players, including Alex.'' This is your sports journalism, America. Go fuck yourself.

USA article

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2012/10/17/alex-rodriguez-yankees-alcs-benched-trade-nightengale/1639977/

[metsmarathon]

seawolf17 wrote: 2014? Tejada SS (solid OBP, runs a little) Murphy 2B (situational hitting, bats .310) Wright 3B (55 home runs, second consecutive MVP season) Ike Davis LF (.240/35/110) Rodriguez 1B (.260/22/88 in 120 games) Duda RF (.250/30/80) Somebody C (a little defense, a little offense) Valdespin CF (a little defense, a little offense) Harvey P

i'd think arod works better in left than davis, but whatevs. we're arguing over imaginary pixie dust. also, in my imaginary hypothetical, i of course happily and readily accept a fully paid for arod for a bay.

hell, even if i've got not spot for him, i can always, i'm sure of it, flip him for something else of value, either this season or in coming seasons.

[ashie62]

seawolf17 wrote: 2014? Tejada SS (solid OBP, runs a little) Murphy 2B (situational hitting, bats .310) Wright 3B (55 home runs, second consecutive MVP season) Ike Davis LF (.240/35/110) Rodriguez 1B (.260/22/88 in 120 games) Duda RF (.250/30/80) Somebody C (a little defense, a little offense) Valdespin CF (a little defense, a little offense) Harvey P

Can Wilmer Flores catch?

[Frayed Knot]

From the game thread:

Benching A-Rod... great strategy until you realize... nobody else in your lineup will hit for you either. Girardi either has some dirt on the guy or has a chip on his shoulder the size of Texas. What a maniac.

I can't think that Girardi is doing all this without either direct orders from or with prior approval of those above him.
The first in-game PH-ing move was something I'm sure he did on his own, but the thrice benching since, no way.