Bullpen Help?

[Edgy MD]

Maybe what we need is a veteran catcher who has been around the league and caught a few all-stars.

[ashie62]

Don't know that it matters much. Feels like the window of opportunity for help is closing quickly.

He who hesitates has lost.

[Edgy MD]

"He who hesitates is lost" goes the expression. It's not so much a general universally applicable principle as all that. Is there an actual opportunity that a person is hesitating to take advantage of? An advantageous one?

Initiative is a virtue, but there's a clashing virtue that is prudence, and there is wisdom in knowing which virtue to yield to.

Edgy DC wrote: DIS-POS-A-BLE LOOGEEE! DIS-POS-A-BLE LOOGEEE!

Is that a photo of the Marlins behind him?

[Ceetar]

well, barring a sudden change in heart on Harvey, we're down to 6 relievers as I can't imagine they'll use Batista again now before his start. So someone will join the club.

A MI (probably) is going to get the axe.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

I think what would really help the bullpen is if the Mets had a 6 or 7 run lead going into the late innings.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

Mets � Willets Point wrote: I think what would really help the bullpen is if the Mets had a 6 or 7 run lead going into the late innings.

Yup.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

Swan Swan H wrote: Mets � Willets Point wrote: I think what would really help the bullpen is if the Mets had a 6 or 7 run lead going into the late innings. Yup.

I should ask for such things more often.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

Romero signs a minor-league deal with the Indians, per Jon Heyman. He will go to AAA, but can ask for his release if he is not called up by August 15, which would give him a couple of weeks to hook on with a potential playoff team..

[MFS62]

CJ Nitkowski is in the Mets system and struck out the side in his one inning of work at Binghamton last night. I'm just waiting for the WFAN-droids to start calling for him to be brought up.

When the idea surfaced earlier in the year that CJ, a player who had failed miserably everywhere he has been, might be on the Mets, I predicted the end of civilization as we know it. But that was before I saw the current bullpen.
The main problem is that he's a local guy (St.John's) and I fear he would become the darling of the local media. Then, if he's as terrible as I think he would be, He'd be as hard to get rid of as a condo in Florida.
I look at the current bullpen I don't see how it could get worse. Then CJ's name is mentioned, and I know it could.

Later

[Edgy MD]

That post is just filled with the silliest assertions. Please. Stop wasting your fingers and your mind on such nonsense.

[MFS62]

Well then, how do you feel about the possibility of the Mets bringing him up?
Would you predict positive results?
Later

[Benjamin Grimm]

He certainly wouldn't be so beloved that he'd be impossible to get rid of. Is there a history of fans loving and cherishing local guys with ERA's of 8 or above? That's pretty much what you're predicting.

[Ceetar]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: He certainly wouldn't be so beloved that he'd be impossible to get rid of. Is there a history of fans loving and cherishing local guys with ERA's of 8 or above? That's pretty much what you're predicting.

no, there's a media history of loving and promoting these guys. Look at Isringhausen, who was not particularly good last year. Obviously simply mediocre and 8 ERA bad is completely different too. But how many times do they tell us how nice Jason Bay is, or how cool Francoeur was?

[Edgy MD]

1) Nobody is going to clamor for CJ Nitkowski.
2) Don't listen to WFAN if you don't like it.
3) The end of civilization? Sounds great.
4) He hasn't failed everywhere he's been.
5) He won't be the darling of anything if he arrives and doesn't pitch well.
6) The media doesn't run the team.

He's in Binghamton, making soup money. If he comes up, it's because he's earned it. If he doesn't, it's because he hasn't.

Finding new, exotic, down-in-the-system reasons to hate the team is megasilly. Please don't start a new Corey Ragsdale campaign. I don't think my heart could take it.

[Edgy MD]

Ceetar wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: He certainly wouldn't be so beloved that he'd be impossible to get rid of. Is there a history of fans loving and cherishing local guys with ERA's of 8 or above? That's pretty much what you're predicting. no, there's a media history of loving and promoting these guys. Look at Isringhausen, who was not particularly good last year. Obviously simply mediocre and 8 ERA bad is completely different too. But how many times do they tell us how nice Jason Bay is, or how cool Francoeur was?

Oh, Mama, don't you start. How much unearned time did the media's passion for Jason Isringhausen buy him?

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: Ceetar wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: He certainly wouldn't be so beloved that he'd be impossible to get rid of. Is there a history of fans loving and cherishing local guys with ERA's of 8 or above? That's pretty much what you're predicting. no, there's a media history of loving and promoting these guys. Look at Isringhausen, who was not particularly good last year. Obviously simply mediocre and 8 ERA bad is completely different too. But how many times do they tell us how nice Jason Bay is, or how cool Francoeur was? Oh, dear, don't you start. How much unearned time did the media's passion for Jason Isringhausen buy him?

I was just citing examples, he said media not fans loving/cherishing local guys.

Considering the second half was meaningless last year, he didn't get any unearned time. And we're crediting him with teaching Parnell that curve, so that's a net win anyway. And neither Omar or Sandy was stupid enough to give Frenchy the 3/15 contract that was rumored in the media for a bit near the end of 2010.

But who knows? Sandy's mentioned clubhouse chemistry before, despite saying he doesn't think too much could be made of it. Often clubhouse chemistry/the media likes you means the same thing. Justin Turner hasn't exactly done anything worthwhile this year. Willie Harris wasn't very good last year and they rode it out all year. (He was a really nice guy in case you haven't heard)

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

This whole thread is stupid

[MFS62]

Edgy DC wrote: Finding new, exotic, down-in-the-system reasons to hate the team is megasilly. Please don't start a new Corey Ragsdale campaign. I don't think my heart could take it.

Edgy, I don't hate this team.
I love this team.
When the season started, I looked at all the off season moves that were made to strengthen the bullpen and had a pretty good feeling. My comment about "end of civilization" (part hyperbolic, part comedic) meant that many of those moves would have to have failed if CJ were to have made the team. He's not my whipping buy nor is he symbolic of anything.
As for his record, here it is:


http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/n/nitkoc.01.shtml
Later

[metsmarathon]

sweet jeebus! he's got a 0.00 era and an 18.00 k/9ip, what the hell are we waiting for? bring him up now! i don't care if it's only two innings, those are two better innings than anybody else has thrown in our pen!

[Edgy MD]

This is bionically stupid.

Ceetar wrote: I was just citing examples,

Of what? Guys who at some point had nice things written about them? Big whoop. Writers have jobs to do.

he said media not fans loving/cherishing local guys.

This doesn't mean anything.

Considering the second half was meaningless last year, he didn't get any unearned time.

So, we have nothing further to discuss. His scenario is batshit insane.

And we're crediting him with teaching Parnell that curve, so that's a net win anyway. And neither Omar or Sandy was stupid enough to give Frenchy the 3/15 contract that was rumored in the media for a bit near the end of 2010.

And yet, we do. For God's sake, stop dignifying his nonsense.

Ceetar wrote: But who knows?

MFS62 does!

Ceetar wrote: Sandy's mentioned clubhouse chemistry before, despite saying he doesn't think too much could be made of it. Often clubhouse chemistry/the media likes you means the same thing. Justin Turner hasn't exactly done anything worthwhile this year. Willie Harris wasn't very good last year and they rode it out all year. (He was a really nice guy in case you haven't heard)

Yes, poorer players sometimes continue to get opportunities. It's not because they all went to St. Johns. You're gonna break the internet with this.

62, thank you, but I don't kneed to be shown where to find C.J. Nitkowski's record. Nor do I need clarification on your meaning.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

metsmarathon wrote: sweet jeebus! he's got a 0.00 era and an 18.00 k/9ip, what the hell are we waiting for? bring him up now! i don't care if it's only two innings, those are two better innings than anybody else has thrown in our pen!

HAHAHAHAH THEY SHULD FIRE THATPSSY SANDY AND HIRE YOU INSTEAD MAN!!!1111!!

[Vic Sage]

[Manny Acosta flies into CitiField, landing on the dugout roof and sings]

Bullpen trouble never hangs around
When you hear this mighty sound.

"Here I come to save the day"

That means that Manny A is on his way.
Yes sir, when there is an out to get
Manny A will be that Met.
At CitiField or on the road,
He turns the situation into a hold!

[ashie62]

Speaking of Bullpens Francisco will not be ready Monday.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/52804/setback-for-frank-francisco?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[Edgy MD]

So here's a question: Going back 30 years or so, maybe to the time Bruce Sutter become a Cardinal, how often has a team gone big on buying a free agent closer and walked away, saying, "Yup, we got every penny out of that deal."

I can't imagine it's over maybe 25%. I'd guess it's closer to 20.