You Make the Call: Jason Bay

[metirish]

Fman99 wrote: Batting .197 this spring, with no RBI's. NONE. Jesus H. Tap Dancing Fucking Christ, that's bad.

Christ is right ,yes it's ST yyybbb but still , none?

[TransMonk]

I'd trade him for a used jock strap or cut him if this continues more than a few weeks into the season. Platooning him is not going to make him any better even though it will help the team. At this point, he's never going to get back to replacement level without a little cahnfidence. The cascade of boos that he will hear during every at bat as a $16MM playoon player is going to ruin any cahnfidence he has left.

I try to hold off judging any player's season until Memorial Day, but Jason's spring has been downright awful.

[Edgy MD]

Vic Sage wrote: Edgy DC wrote: I think you understand me perfectly well. Enough goofiness. you constantly overestimate my understanding and underestimate my goofiness.

Hoping a man prospers is not the same as hoping he continues to garner playing time should he fail to prosper.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I don't imagine that they'll cut him until spring of 2013 at the earliest; they've always had a psychological barrier preventing them from releasing somebody with more than a full year remaining on the contract and I don't expect that to change. But I can see them possibly downgrading him in 2012 if things go as poorly for Bay as most of us expect.

[Ceetar]

Even if he does have an even lower career low year, I agree, they won't release him this year. They may find ways to fit Lagaras, or Baxter, or Nieuwenhuis or Den Dekker in RF for some games more and more, but if he continues to degrade he won't make it to Spring of 2013. If he doesn't surpass 2010 levels he'll probably still be here, but have to earn a job in Spring Training.

[Edgy MD]

If a psychological barrier is the issue, I imagine it is lessened due to the fact that the contract is not on this regime's ledger.

I don't think it's worth their consideration until it's clear that they have 25 guys better/more useful than him and the pattern suggests it's going to stay that way.

[Ceetar]

I know fans are going to boo and he deserves it, but the actual Bay hatred seems to be somewhat tempered as compared to say Mike Pelfrey who I'd argue probably contributed more value last year.

[Fman99]

Seriously, though, have the Mets ever gotten less on an investment of this size than Bay has delivered thus far? Kevin Appier was a $40 million toilet, he comes to mind, but still, that's less than 2/3 what Bay will make. Same with Ollie at 3/36...

[Edgy MD]

You've got to make COLA calculations, but yeah, it's been a bomb thus far.

But you've got to weigh the contracts of guys generally performing poorly also against those of guys generally performing well, but too frequently hurt --- Pedro Martinez and Johan Santana, f'rinstance --- and look at their relative return on investment.

It's a depressing exercise, I warn you. It's opening day coming, after all.

[metirish]

And Appier was flipped for Mo, who at least gave us smiles and a few moon shots....that one way up on the Bud sign on the score board was a dinger. Appier for all that is said was excellent down the stretch that year he was here.

[Vic Sage]

Edgy DC wrote: Edgy DC wrote: I think you understand me perfectly well. Enough goofiness. you constantly overestimate my understanding and underestimate my goofiness. Hoping a man prospers is not the same as hoping he continues to garner playing time should he fail to prosper.

yeah, i don't know why you waited 2 weeks to respond with this gem but whatever, dude.

hoping a man prospers is also not the same as expecting him to prosper. I hope he hit like Manny Ramirez; i don't expect him to. Given Bay's age, recent years of unproductivity and a vesting contract option, what i am "ROOTING FOR" is that, when the inevitable occurs and Bay continues to play as he has in NY to date, that instead of just trotting him out to LF every day, he goes either into a platoon or to the bench (or released outright) rather than waiting for him to play up to his contract. Even if the players we run out there instead don't match his mediocre output, they at least have the potential of exceeding it, and every AB he doesn't get inches the Mets towards a future without his bad contract strangling their limited means.

[Edgy MD]

Vic Sage wrote: hoping a man prospers is also not the same as expecting him to prosper.

Which doesn't characterize what I wrote.

[Fman99]

Why do you have to fight, why can't you GET ALONG? WHY DO I HAVE TO LISTEN TO THIS, I'M TRYING TO DO MY HOMEWORK HERE!

[Ceetar]

Fman99 wrote: Why do you have to fight, why can't you GET ALONG? WHY DO I HAVE TO LISTEN TO THIS, I'M TRYING TO DO MY HOMEWORK HERE!

I'm going to slit the cats like cheese then eat the sweet sticky things.





And that's my music reference for the year.