Ottoneu

[Ceetar]

http://ottoneu.fangraphs.com/support

I favor Fangraphs points, but I'd be good with any of them.

What are the different game types? There are 3 game types for ottoneu fantasy baseball. They differ in the categories used and the scoring methods: Old School - Rotisserie-style 5x5 (AVG, HR, RBI, SB, R and W, SV, ERA, WHIP, K). For the traditionalist in you. ottoneu Classic - Rotisserie-style 4x4 sabermetric-hybrid (OBP, SLG, HR, R and ERA, WHIP, HR/9, K). This is the stat set of the original league that has been active since 2005. FanGraphs Points - Points based on Linear Weights. Based on work by Justin Merry. Read his great FAQ about the system, or read more detailed pieces behind the hitting and pitching point values. Hitting AB -1.0 H 5.6 2B 2.9 3B 5.7 HR 9.4 BB 3.0 HBP 3.0 SB 1.9 CS -2.8 Pitching IP 7.4 K 2.0 H -2.6 BB -3.0 HBP -3.0 HR -12.3 SV 5.0 HOLDS 4.0

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Classic 4x4

[Ceetar]

Okay, can we get some thoughts on which type of league, 4x4 or fangraphs points?

also, when would be best for a draft? I think you can pause the draft and pick it up another night, so maybe a couple of tuesday nights in mid-march or something?

[smg58]

Do we have a head count?

Not sure I'd want to do two nights a draft, but I'll go with it if that works better for most of us.

I'd vote for standard 5x5 for simplicity, but the other options are intriguing too and I'd be OK with whatever is voted for.

[Ceetar]

I'm going to take a 'head count' as per posting in this thread.

But I'll create a league as soon as there is a prevailing majority towards type of stats to use and we can argue about the draft after that.

[metsmarathon]

in. any format. each is appealing in its own way. points rewards player goodness over roster strategy, and i waffle on whether thats a good or a bad thing. its less challenging in some ways, but also levels the playing field for those who are not hard-core fantasizers.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I don't wanna do a system based on Linear Weights when I can't get that shit on the crawl. The 4x4 classic to me looks like a good compromise between sophisticated and easy to understand.

[Vic Sage]

5x5, or 4x4. I don't want to use a slide rule to figure out who to draft or how i'm doing.
1 nite draft; i can't dedicate 2 nights to this.

[ashie62]

4x4 5x5 1 night

[Fman99]

Ashie62 wrote: 4x4 5x5 1 night

This would be my preference also. Lean towards 4x4 as a change from my usual 5x5 action.

One night, please.

[Ceetar]

so 4x4 sounds good. I only suggested the second night thing because I wasn't sure how long these things can go for. I mean the 30+ rounds are mostly going to be us drafting AA guys we've barely heard of.

[metsmarathon]

if people don't want to hang out for the whole thing, so be it, provided it can auto draft. besides, would we really want to waste a second night just to draft those 30 rounds of AA players none of us have ever heard of?

[Vic Sage]

can't we limit draft to a 25 man roster?

[Ceetar]

Vic Sage wrote: can't we limit draft to a 25 man roster?

Not 25, since you need 23 for a valid roster. But we can probably stick to 30ish and fill out the other 10 with prospects via free agency/waiver stuff since it'd probably be a waste of time to bid against each other for the legacy/minors guys.

There is no automated part of it, you nominate the guy you want and then everyone has a chance to outbid you for him. I imagine this process will take longer than your typical Yahoo type fantasy draft, but I've never done it before So I don't know. Presumably the first couple of rounds will take a while as more people will raise the prices on the stars.

d. A team's starting lineup consists of two catcher slots, one slot at each infield position (first base, second base, third base, and shortstop), five outfielder slot, one additional middle infielder (second base or shortstop) slot, one additional hitter from any position (utility slot), five starting pitcher slots, and five relief pitcher slots.

[nymr83]

I've never done an auction online, but for a NL only league with 10 teams and 24 spots it usually takes us about 8 hours offline to do our auction.

[ashie62]

Not interested..out

[metsmarathon]

i imagine hte online auction will hasten things up a tad... maybe not a whole lot, i guess, but a bit. regardless, i'm willing to give it a try. what the fuck, right?

[smg58]

Maybe instead of an auction, each owner has two minutes to place one bid on a player, and whoever bids the highest gets him?

[metsmarathon]

i think the auction is tied to the league. while that's a novel concept, it would only work with either a custom application, or an offline draft.

[Ceetar]

metsmarathon wrote: i think the auction is tied to the league. while that's a novel concept, it would only work with either a custom application, or an offline draft.

yeah, tied to the league. We can pick a time and if people need to bail we can always suspend and pick it up another day. We do all have to get legal rosters through the draft I believe, but we can fill out the ends via free agency bidding, which is basically the same auction/bidding logic just drawn out over 2 days allowing other owners to outbid you.

I'll set up the 4x4 tonight/tomorrow, and we can see if we need to add a couple of teams and pick a draft date.

[metsmarathon]

maybe what we could do is block off an evening early in spring training, see how far we get, and suspend it for a few weeks to pick up the rest of our rosters if the draft takes too long. it runs the risk of not having a full spring's worth of knowledge and scouting and what not on those early rounds, and of having a high pick felled by early injury, but it might make it much more manageable. it also will help with the later rounds as we'll have a better picture of who's on what teams.

[nymr83]

Prefer 5x5 over 4x4... No thanks on the more complicated system mentioned above. If I can see how my players did by looking at the box score on my phone I'm likely to be less interested as the year goes on.

I'm firmly a "maybe" at this point... Waiting to see what the draft situation (logistics) will be and the keeper rules. If no keepers we should just go back for another season of yahoo instead of everyone creating an account and having a new website to check

[Ceetar]

Nymr83 wrote: Prefer 5x5 over 4x4... No thanks on the more complicated system mentioned above. If I can see how my players did by looking at the box score on my phone I'm likely to be less interested as the year goes on. I'm firmly a "maybe" at this point... Waiting to see what the draft situation (logistics) will be and the keeper rules. If no keepers we should just go back for another season of yahoo instead of everyone creating an account and having a new website to check

Can keep as many guys as you want. Can cut guys for free in the offseason. I believe you also lose one player that gets voted off your team by the other owners.

[nymr83]

Can that "feature" be turned off? I don't like the idea of the league forcing you to drop your best player

[Ceetar]

Can that "feature" be turned off? I don't like the idea of the league forcing you to drop your best player

No, unless we trusted all owners to vote 'no one'. It's supposed to maintain competitive balance. You do get a $5 discount on this player though, a hometown discount. If you successfully re-win the player at auction, you get him for $5 less than you paid.

This is a post about the auction draft: http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/ottoneu-how-to-the-auction-draft/

Basically take turns nominating a guy, 15 seconds for everyone else to change the bid and reset the 15 seconds.

[metsmarathon]

i think the point of that is not necessarily to give the boot to your best player, but perhaps your most underpaid player. if you have albert pujols for $1, we're probably gonna vote him off. but if you have him for $100, well, if that's how you wanna spend your cap space, who are we to argue?

i like it, especially for the first year as we try to figure things out. besides, maybe we'll all be gentlemanly, and vote for noone, or agree in advance to vote for noone, and if anybody violates it, then we shun them and give 'em the stinkeye.

[Ceetar]

metsmarathon wrote: i think the point of that is not necessarily to give the boot to your best player, but perhaps your most underpaid player. if you have albert pujols for $1, we're probably gonna vote him off. but if you have him for $100, well, if that's how you wanna spend your cap space, who are we to argue? i like it, especially for the first year as we try to figure things out. besides, maybe we'll all be gentlemanly, and vote for noone, or agree in advance to vote for noone, and if anybody violates it, then we shun them and give 'em the stinkeye.

We certainly have like 11 months to decide on that.

[nymr83]

ok, i'm as long as its on a night where i can make it to the auction.

[Ceetar]

Nymr83 wrote: ok, i'm as long as its on a night where i can make it to the auction.

We all do have to make it, otherwise it doesn't quite work. So that should be no problem.

[Ceetar]

http://ottoneu.fangraphs.com/209/home

is the league home page.

the password is

Hietpas http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hietpjo01.shtml