Reyes Appreciation Day IGT, 9/28

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Not listening or watching.

[soupcan]

Edgy DC wrote: I really am feeling really ugly feelings toward this blowhard. How does anybody listen to this guy without going mad.

Why? What exactly - Yankees - don't you like? Yankees. The fact that he - Yankees - thinks the Mets should -Yankees - trade Wright, or that he thinks - Yankees - Reyes has played his last - Yankees - game as a Met? Or was it - Yankees - when he implied that - Yankees - the Mets will be worse than both the Marlins - Yankees - and Nationals - Yankees - and will not be near to competing with - Yankees - the Braves or the 'incredibly well-run' Phillies? Yankees.

[Guest Edgy DC]

This Batista kid looks like he has some kind of future ahead of him, huh?

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy DC wrote: metirish wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: It would also fit their usual pattern of doing something for pr reasons only to get hit with a pr shit-storm right back in their face. This , the Mets are spectacularly good at it. Which is strange. It suggests that they're not over-concerned with the fan's perception, nor under-concerned. They're just tremendously tone-deaf. (Or they have a fickle fan base, which is probably true enough also.) You'd figure it should be easy enough to fix with a some professional development in the PR department. A retreat or something.

It's the tone-deafness.
They think their fan base wants to say that one of their guys has a batting championship far more than they want to watch that guy win the batting championship.
It's wanting so much to stage the applause moment of the star being pulled from the final game that they do it too soon and step all over that moment.

[Guest Edgy DC]

They paid tribute to Pete Flynn before the game. Nice.

[metirish]

Edgy DC wrote: They paid tribute to Pete Flynn before the game. Nice.

cool, any reason why?, is he actually retiring full time?

[Frayed Knot]

metirish wrote: Edgy DC wrote: They paid tribute to Pete Flynn before the game. Nice. cool, any reason why?, is he actually retiring full time?

Apparently, yes.

[Frayed Knot]

Reds hitters determined not to miss their plane.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

I don't think this is necessarily winning it on his ass. He appeared in the last game of the season. It's not like he took the last week or even the last couple days off.

[Guest Edgy DC]

C'mon. If you're on your ass, you're on your ass. How long you've been there is another issue, but it is what is.

And he hadn't put it seemingly out of reach a couple of days ago.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Well, doing that (sitting out) could just as easily have hurt his chances as helped them. (And would have hurt his chances, he would have missed those two three-hit games.)

Meanwhile, Terry is letting Batista go for the complete game shutout. (I like those!)

[seawolf17]

Frayed Knot wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: It would also fit their usual pattern of doing something for pr reasons only to get hit with a pr shit-storm right back in their face. This , the Mets are spectacularly good at it. Which is strange. It suggests that they're not over-concerned with the fan's perception, nor under-concerned. They're just tremendously tone-deaf. (Or they have a fickle fan base, which is probably true enough also.) You'd figure it should be easy enough to fix with a some professional development in the PR department. A retreat or something. It's the tone-deafness. They think their fan base wants to say that one of their guys has a batting championship far more than they want to watch that guy win the batting championship. It's wanting so much to stage the applause moment of the star being pulled from the final game that they do it too soon and step all over that moment.

I'm with FK on this.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Great game pitched by Terry Leach.

Cool shot of the team coming through the tunnel after the game, Beato still with the pink backpack.

[Frayed Knot]

2:15 - says about all you need to know.

[Vic Sage]

Second of all, there is no victory without honor. And there's nothing honorable about winning a batting title on your ass. Third of all, you're suggesting this is Jose's initiative, which it may be, but it's Terry's move.

this, and this.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Didn't Nelson Figureora throw a complete game shutout on the last day of the season a couple years ago?

[seawolf17]

Gotta save that bullpen for April.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Didn't Nelson Figureora throw a complete game shutout on the last day of the season a couple years ago?

Yep-- 2009. If not for Ollie's... well... existence, we'd have a nice little 4-year closing streak going (and a few more commemorative t-shirts/ticket stubs).

For being kicked off with the 60-feet-of-clay switch-out, it was a pretty pleasant game for those of us who didn't have to deal with Ol' Saccharine Breath's unwelcome vocalizations. The "us" included G-Fafif, tmf, their friend Matt, and Chris Meloni of "Law and Order"/"Oz" fame, all of whom YoungerPooper and I ran into during our stadium-circling (Like any right-minded Metsian, Meloni agreed about Reyes, of course). Baxter's shot spurred a nice round of chanting/handslapping in our Prom section (and landed in the Reds pen, increasing his chances of its wrinkle-free return).

Postgame, Harris was the most gracious Met by a country mile, going back into the dugout several times to retrieve more bats/hats/sweatbands, signing a number of them... and eventually dragging out OhStay for a belated, close-up curtain call.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Come to think of it, I do remember going to the bathroom to change YoungerPooper, catching a little of the audio feed, and thinking, "Why is Ed Coleman being such a dick today?"

[HahnSolo]

I'm at the office and couldn't listen. How obnoxious was Francesa?

[metirish]

HahnSolo wrote: I'm at the office and couldn't listen. How obnoxious was Francesa?

I didn't hear him but the big fool could hardly have imagined the Mets giving such a storyline to tee off on.

[TransMonk]

Obnoxious is an understatement. I'm not sure why he was even there...all he did was shit on the Mets.

[Guest Edgy DC]

He's just awful.

[seawolf17]

Postgame he was even worse, contradicting himself mid-sentence. "You can't spend all that money on Reyes, because you need that money to address the pitching. But look at the Yankees and Red Sox; they couldn't buy pitching. So you can't buy pitching; you need to develop pitching."

Then I guess we can use that money on Jose, right? I don't get it.

[Guest Edgy DC]

seawolf17 wrote: "But look at the Yankees and Red Sox; they couldn't buy pitching. So you can't buy pitching; you need to develop pitching."

Hell, he was on about that for three innings during the game. I agree with him and I wanted to punch him in the neck.

[Vic Sage]

of course you can buy pitching.

It's just that it's expensive, because (1) good pitching is scarce, and (2) they generally don't come on the market until they're well established (i.e., older). And with the unreliability (i.e., injury rate) of pitchers, plus the inconsistency of relievers (i.e., standard variations based on small sample sizes), its a high risk/high reward investment, as compared to the relative consistency of hitters.

And while developing your own pitching is frought with that same injury and inconsistency problem, you bear those risks at minor league and non-arb pay rates, making it a more cost effective approach, especially for the Oaklands of the world. But if you're a big market team, that's only an issue for the little guys. You can do BOTH. The fact that it didn't work out well this season for Boston is not evidence of ANYTHING.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Well, the overstatement is why it drove me crazy.