IGT 07/17/11: Phillies @ Mets

[ashie62]

Halladay Hamels Lee

v.

Pelfrey Niese Dickey

Jesus, Joseph and Mary I'm gonna puke.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: No, I think the difference is pitching. The Mets are actually scoring 0.2 R/G higher than the Phils this season which, when you consider the home park differential and the injuries, is fucking stunning.

clearly the difference is pitching, but that lineup looks like it should be near the bottom in runs scored

[Guest Edgy DC]

It may look like that, but kudos to them for grinding it out anyhoow.

I think maybe the reconciliation between perception and reality may be in the all-or-nothing-ness of the lineup. When they've got it working, they open up the spigot and score double digits in runs. When they don't, they struggle to score two. But they can't seem to settle themsleves into that 5-8-run range.

Plefrey has certainly had a crap year. Too many hits and too many one-disastrous-inning starts. Nobody's quite pitching themselves out of the rotation, but we could use someone who excels. We've a team of 3.80-4.30 ERA starters, with a bullpen that's been capable until we ask too much of it.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: It may look like that, but kudos to them for grinding it out anyhoow. I think maybe the reconciliation between perception and reality may be in the all-or-nothing-ness of the lineup. When they've got it working, they open up the spigot and score double digits in runs. When they don't, they struggle to score two. But they can't seem to settle themsleves into that 5-8-run range. Plefrey has certainly had a crap year. Too many hits and too many one-disastrous-inning starts. Nobody's quite pitching themselves out of the rotation, but we could use someone who excels. We've a team of 3.80-4.30 ERA starters, with a bullpen that's been capable until we ask too much of it.

That's kinda what I was referring to in the all-or-nothing-ness, and it's probably a fair example of how poor a tool for analysis batting average actually is. I mean, Ibanez is hitting .243 and yet when he does hit the ball it's over the fence AND with runners on. The same for Howard who has 87 hits and 72 RBI which seems like a pretty high rate. You'd think some of this would be unsustainable, but it just doesn't seem to fall off. Carlos Ruiz has a higher OBP than SLG, hitting .255. How do you walk a guy like that? (I often wondered this with Castillo too.)

[Guest Edgy DC]

Yeah, but we're using runs/game here as a standard.

I have no doubt that low average and high power is a more-or-less sustainable way to build an offense. I certainly prefer ours, but I'd prefer it more with our infield back in the lineup.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: Yeah, but we're using runs/game here as a standard. I have no doubt that low average and high power is a more-or-less sustainable way to build an offense. I certainly prefer ours, but I'd prefer it more with our infield back in the lineup.

Well yeah, that'd be nice.

Offense was already pushing it without Reyes, and then add in Beltran?

Pitching wasn't great this weekend, but it was the offense that did the Mets in. And it's not like you tip your hat to cy young winners, it was Worley and Kendrick, both of who the Mets have hit, and should hit.

[Gwreck]

Ceetar wrote: Pitching wasn't great this weekend, but it was the offense that did the Mets in. And it's not like you tip your hat to cy young winners, it was Worley and Kendrick, both of who the Mets have hit, and should hit.

I totally disagree. They scored 5 runs Sunday (enough to win most games) and of course there were no offense problems on Saturday.

Yes, the Mets should have scored more runs off Worley but they would have needed 8 to win on Friday and 9 to win on Sunday. That's because the pitching is the problem.

[Ceetar]

Gwreck wrote: Ceetar wrote: Pitching wasn't great this weekend, but it was the offense that did the Mets in. And it's not like you tip your hat to cy young winners, it was Worley and Kendrick, both of who the Mets have hit, and should hit. I totally disagree. They scored 5 runs Sunday (enough to win most games) and of course there were no offense problems on Saturday. Yes, the Mets should have scored more runs off Worley but they would have needed 8 to win on Friday and 9 to win on Sunday. That's because the pitching is the problem.

If they actually score off Worley or Kendrick, the entire landscape of the game is different. different pitchers are used, with different amounts of leash.

Probably would've helped if this makeshift infield actually fielded the ball once in a while too.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Yeah, maybe we're overlooking the obvious on this.

[list:1g4unljk][*:1g4unljk]Three unearned runs on Friday (Tejada).[/*:m:1g4unljk]
[*:1g4unljk]One unearned run on Saturday (Tejada).[/*:m:1g4unljk]
[*:1g4unljk]Three unearned runs on Sunday (Bay).[/*:m:1g4unljk][/list:u:1g4unljk]

[Ceetar]

• Three unearned runs on Friday (Tejada).
• One unearned run on Saturday (Tejada).
• Three unearned runs on Sunday (Bay).

Edgy DC wrote: Yeah, maybe we're overlooking the obvious on this.

I try not to get on Tejada because he's young and overmatched, but I think he needs to head to Buffalo tomorrow.

It's not just him, some of these guys seem to be letting the pressure get to them. Turner was alternating between really nice play and stupid play on Friday too.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Sort of why I was wonderin' about searching the waiver wires for someone who could give him a blow, though don't ask me, please, to directly connect his errors to a lack of time off.

[seawolf17]

Edgy DC wrote: Sort of why I was wonderin' about searching the waiver wires for someone who could give him a blow, though don't ask me, please, to directly connect his errors to a lack of time off.

Didn't he just have four days off?

[Guest Edgy DC]

But no blows. A man needs blows.

[metsmarathon]

Edgy DC wrote: But no blows. A man needs blows.

yes. yes he does.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: But no blows. A man needs blows.

They're cheaper in Buffalo.

[Ceetar]

Jason Bay is slugging .160 in "high leverage" situations this season.

Give me a month of Spring Training (or an actual healthy 29 year old) and I'd take the over..