IGT 5/28/2011: PHI @ NYM -- Rake Over Cole

[Guest Edgy DC]

Terry really wearing a path here.

[Gwreck]

Byrdak, you're fired.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Edgy DC wrote: Terry really wearing a path here.

The root of the word pathetic.

[Frayed Knot]

All after two out and nobody on.
At this point I'm just hoping to keep them under 11

[Fman99]

Gay.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Wishing the running game translated into scores for the Mets like it just did for Philadelphia.

[Guest themetfairy]

Dale Thayer, wearing Number 46, makes his Mets debut.

[batmagadanleadoff]

So what are the odds that Thayer gets his own Topps Mets card?

The outlook isn't brilliant.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Sounds like a real good crowd on the radio too.

[Frayed Knot]

And look, another two-out RBI !!!

[Guest Edgy DC]

Let's save some criticism for the offense, Hayne and Wowie.

[Guest Edgy DC]

We got us an old school losing streak brewing.

[bmfc1]

1 and 4 since Fred Wilpon opened his fucking mouth.

Since the high we felt last Friday, 1 and 6.

Three non-pitchers on the team right now are worth a damn and 2 might be gone in two months: Reyes, Beltran and Turner. The other 10 hitters could be waived tomorrow and I wouldn't care.

It's fucking torture being a Mets fan. Yet I'll be back tomorrow.

[Fman99]

Put this stinker in the books.

[metirish]

were there as many Phillies fans at the game as FOX were saying? , from what they were showing it was a lot.

[Fman99]

Hard to believe we're getting knocked around by a bunch of fucking Muppets.

[ashie62]

Wherethe hell is Ike Davis?

[metirish]

Ashie62 wrote: Wherethe hell is Ike Davis?

no where good

[Ceetar]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: The Ibanez one was well-struck. Like that one. (The regression to the mean for our pen continues.)

No, our pen is still good. This isn't regressing to the mean it's something else entirely.

I mean yesterday was Izzy anad K-Rod, each legtimately talented pitchers and K-Rod probably the best closer in the game right now. a lot of bad defense, bad holding runners on, caving to pressure caving to something. I don't know, but it's ridiculously frustrating. These pitchers are good pitchers. their offense is not a good offense. Both days our pitcher outpitched their 'Ace', and we lost. it's damn well insane. the Mets looked like they were clearly a better team than the Phillies for roughly 14-15 of those innings. This doesn't feel uncommon either, I feel like a lot of times the Mets are cruising along, come undone in one inning, and it blows the whole game. Why do their errors happen with no one on or with two outs, and ours all happen in the most crucial parts of the game? WHY IS THAT?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Among the errors you can look at was a lefthander like O'Connor letting the tying runner on first jog to second uncontested.

Being better for a period is nice, but leads must be padded. You can't count on a bullpen to pitch perfectly with one run leads every time. The bullpen has picked this team up, but you've gotta pick them up by taking the heat off of them also. Going oh-for-15 or so down the stretch was not helpful.

[ashie62]

Better teams seem to find a way to win.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: Among the errors you can look at was a lefthander like O'Connor letting the tying runner on first jog to second uncontested. Being better for a period is nice, but leads must be padded. You can't count on a bullpen to pitch perfectly with one run leads every time. The bullpen has picked this team up, but you've gotta pick them up by taking the heat off of them also. Going oh-for-15 or so down the stretch was not helpful.

iNdeed. wasn't try to pin it on any once aspect just that the one place the Phillies are clearly much better than the Mets is the starting pitching. If you neutralize that advantage, you should beat them. No one's perfect, Izzy and K-Rod among them, and not building a freaking lead in either game was criminal. Everything seemed to fall apart at the same time from the pitching to the fielding to the throwing. It's just frustrating to watch, from Murphy failing to put his glove down to Tejada rushing to try to get the guy at second instead of planting and throwing to first.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Ceetar wrote: The Ibanez one was well-struck. Like that one. (The regression to the mean for our pen continues.) No, our pen is still good. This isn't regressing to the mean it's something else entirely. I mean yesterday was Izzy anad K-Rod, each legtimately talented pitchers and K-Rod probably the best closer in the game right now.

Yes, but neither one of them is going scoreless for a month again. (Especially Isringhausen.)

Ceetar wrote: iNdeed. wasn't try to pin it on any once aspect just that the one place the Phillies are clearly much better than the Mets is the starting pitching. If you neutralize that advantage, you should beat them.

They're also among the best-- if not the best-- defensive team in the league, top to bottom. And they're fantastic situational hitters-- both PHs and lineup regulars. (I'd be the first to say "SSS," but it's been that way for the better part of the Manuel era.)

[Ceetar]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: The Ibanez one was well-struck. Like that one. (The regression to the mean for our pen continues.) No, our pen is still good. This isn't regressing to the mean it's something else entirely. I mean yesterday was Izzy anad K-Rod, each legtimately talented pitchers and K-Rod probably the best closer in the game right now. Yes, but neither one of them is going scoreless for a month again. (Especially Isringhausen.) iNdeed. wasn't try to pin it on any once aspect just that the one place the Phillies are clearly much better than the Mets is the starting pitching. If you neutralize that advantage, you should beat them. They're also among the best-- if not the best-- defensive team in the league, top to bottom. And they're fantastic situational hitters-- both PHs and lineup regulars. (I'd be the first to say "SSS," but it's been that way for the better part of the Manuel era.)

fair enough. Obviously they're not going scoreless for a month, which is why it sucks that their bad inning(s) coincided with a tight game against a divisional opponent. bad luck, or some 'bad team' philosophy where the pitching and hitting don't line up when you want?

Yes, they're good situational hitters, and take the bases when they need them. But we made it easy for them in that regard. 2 outs soft single up the middle for Rollins and we can't get them out? (I would've kept Pelf in, but that's hardly a given or anything) They don't make a ton of errors (although they have been this weekend) but they're not infallible either. We were good defensively for most of this year too, but suddenly we're making errors that they capitalize on and they make errors and we don't. bad timing? small sample size? we hit Oswalt a lot, but a lot of the hits were two outs. 2 two outs hits that don't score a run because they were singles with no one on.

Although I would say while I do really like our bullpen, I'm not real sold on the situational parts of it. I kinda wish Collins stopped using it like that.