IGT 4/19/11 - Astros at Mets

[Guest Edgy DC]

bmfc1 wrote: Terry's better PH, Murphy, and better RP, Isringhausen, didn't get in the game and the players that were used didn't come through. Sometimes you shouldn't save your "bullets" for later in the game.

Well, I have no problem with Isringhauesen staying out. I'd've like to have seen Murphy. But I think he's trying to get Hu some opportunity to get going. I just like attacking the starting pitcher until he's walking to the dugout. It's a big part of winning to me.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: bmfc1 wrote: Terry's better PH, Murphy, and better RP, Isringhausen, didn't get in the game and the players that were used didn't come through. Sometimes you shouldn't save your "bullets" for later in the game. Well, I have no problem with Isringhauesen staying out. I'd've like to have seen Murphy. But I think he's trying to get Hu some opportunity to get going. I just like attacking the starting pitcher until he's walking to the dugout. It's a big part of winning to me.

I agree with that. Was it because it was lefty-lefty? There are other opportunities to get Hu AB and playing time if need be.


I don't know what suddenly happened to all the offense.

[bmfc1]

The bases were loaded and with the Mets lack of hitting, the game was on the line. Parnell has not been good so this wasn't the opportunity to hope that he showed improvement. He gave up 3 runs and the game was over right there. Terry should have brought in Isringhausen.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I agree that the game was on the line, to the extent that to get out of it would have meant that we go to the bottom of the eighth down two runs.

One of Jerry's trademarks was using the "eighth-inning guy" in all close games, which meant at least any game down two to up three, and ninth inning ties of course --- situations which almost any decent team will find themselves in almost any game. And he absolutely ran those guys into the ground.

I'd have liked to have seen Izzy too, but after two years of seeing the Neives of the world run out to the mound until they exploded, I'd be a hypocrite if I demanded Isringhausen.

My guess, though, is that the team is trying to move in that direction, and we'll start seeing Izzy and Beato in game situations on alternate nights. And Terry will try and get some Sanchez/Heilman 06 mojo going. But he burned Beato early. Lord have mercy on me.

[Frayed Knot]

I didn't have a problem with the relief choice, though did with the PH choice.
Two-on/two-out/down-two in the 7th could be your last best chance to get some runs and opting for Hu there over Muffy wasn't the way to go IMO. That smells of either over-playing lefty/righty or because he wanted to save him for later on, a later on which turned out not to matter.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: I didn't have a problem with the relief choice, though did with the PH choice. Two-on/two-out/down-two in the 7th could be your last best chance to get some runs and opting for Hu there over Muffy wasn't the way to go IMO. That smells of either over-playing lefty/righty or because he wanted to save him for later on, a later on which turned out not to matter.

I just had this thought, what if not PHing Murphy there was a sort of punishment for the baserunning blunders? there was enough lefty/righty/getHuAB stuff to justify it I suppose, even if I don't agree.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I guess that was where I am. I don't agree with it, but I'm not ready to kill Collins for it.

Same time, that's got to be dis-spiriting for a team --- finally getting something going and sending a guy batting .100 up there, with no track record of major league success, to try and finish the job. Such are the choices of a guy with 13 pitchers on his roster (four bench players, the backup catcher and backup shortstop haven't shown any ability to hit, and the other two are lefties), but still.

If I'm a manager, I open every post-game interview with discussion on where I made a bad move, didn't put my team in the best position to win, and thus take as much heat off of them as possible. "This is what I was thinking, but in retrospect, it didn't work out and perhaps I could have done this instead."

Anyhow, that AB would be where I'd start.

[TransMonk]

The Mets now have the worst record in baseball. From what I've seen so far, I think the record fits the team.

[Ceetar]

TransMonk wrote: The Mets now have the worst record in baseball. From what I've seen so far, I think the record fits the team.

I think they're unlikely to win 48 games or be the worst team in baseball.

[TransMonk]

TransMonk wrote: The Mets now have the worst record in baseball. From what I've seen so far, I think the record fits the team.

[soupcan]

Was there last night.

I highly doubt that the announced attendance of 27,000 was anything close to the amount of people that were there. The entire triangle-shaped right centerfield section was empty. No lines for any concession stand.

The people that were there were surprisingly vocal though, doing the 'ooooh' and 'aaaah' thing for every routine flyball off the bat.

This season is not going to suck anymore, it is well in the midst of complete and utter suckitude.

[Gwreck]

FYI: Mets announced that your tickets from last night can be exchanged for a free game against the Pirates, May 30-June 2.

[metirish]

soupcan wrote: Was there last night. I highly doubt that the announced attendance of 27,000 was anything close to the amount of people that were there. The entire triangle-shaped right centerfield section was empty. No lines for any concession stand. The people that were there were surprisingly vocal though, doing the 'ooooh' and 'aaaah' thing for every routine flyball off the bat. This season is not going to suck anymore, it is well in the midst of complete and utter suckitude.

judging for the TV it looked utterly miserable there.....no concession lines is a good thing but you'd rather have long lines and a good team.

[Ceetar]

I'll be there tonight myself. Gonna whip them into shape.

They've looked worse the last couple of days, but maybe teams just look worse when they're not hitting versus not pitching.

[soupcan]

metirish wrote: judging for the TV it looked utterly miserable there.....no concession lines is a good thing but you'd rather have long lines and a good team.

Most definitely.

[soupcan]

Ceetar wrote: I'll be there tonight myself. Gonna whip them into shape. They've looked worse the last couple of days, but maybe teams just look worse when they're not hitting versus not pitching.

I know you pride yourself on being 'optimistic', but dude they are bad all around and they are not getting better anytime soon.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I agree that the "optimism" shtick is more than played out, but do I suspect that the Mets are a better team than we've seen. But they've been so bad that even hoping for mediocrity at this point seems far fetched. Maybe at best, they'll win 75 games, and that's not nearly enough. Citi Field is going to be very quiet and empty after Labor Day, and probably not very noisy at all throughout the season.

[Guest Edgy DC]

So, it's far-fetched. It's free.

[Benjamin Grimm]

True. I'll keep watching. But there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that things are looking dire.

[Ceetar]

soupcan wrote: Ceetar wrote: I'll be there tonight myself. Gonna whip them into shape. They've looked worse the last couple of days, but maybe teams just look worse when they're not hitting versus not pitching. I know you pride yourself on being 'optimistic', but dude they are bad all around and they are not getting better anytime soon.

well, they're going to get _better_..that's almost inevitable. Just shear luck will do that, but so will adding Jason Bay.

I just meant that there were some games against the Nationals and the Rockies where they seemed to be leading and playing better for 7 or 8 of the innings and just blew it. The last 4-5 games though they've mostly been bad all around, all game, with small exceptions. Even Sunday they only scored 3 runs and barely hung on.

[soupcan]

Yeah sure it's free and it doesn't hurt anyone.

Ceetar reminds me of me as a Mets fan circa 1979-80. I would look at the fact that Mark Bomback had won 22 games in AAA and thought 'HA! Just wait till HE shows 'em what he can do..!'

And I can appreciate what you say Ceetar, but being 'in it' doesn't count. They're bad, they're losing. Whether it be 5-4 or 6-1. A loss is a loss is a loss.

I don't mean to deride, I'm just frustrated and I want everyone else to be pissed off too.

[TransMonk]

Sounds like Muffy may be in Terry's doghouse.

I hope that didn't influence Collin's decision making on whether or not to use him in the PH spot.

[Ceetar]

soupcan wrote: Yeah sure it's free and it doesn't hurt anyone. Ceetar reminds me of me as a Mets fan circa 1979-80. I would look at the fact that Mark Bomback had won 22 games in AAA and thought 'HA! Just wait till HE shows 'em what he can do..!' And I can appreciate what you say Ceetar, but being 'in it' doesn't count. They're bad, they're losing. Whether it be 5-4 or 6-1. A loss is a loss is a loss. I don't mean to deride, I'm just frustrated and I want everyone else to be pissed off too.

I'm not saying I'm not frustrated and pissed off. But I don't want to be. And I get annoyed when people tell me Blah blah it'll never get better. I can watch baseball that's meaningless anywhere, so if I'm not going to root for the Mets to succeed, at whatever odds, to me it's just not worth the effort. It may be a long shot for Niese to step up and strike out 200, but I'm rooting for the long shot.

Worse is people telling me that I shouldn't get upset when the Mets lose because they suck. That's irrelevant. "Miracles" happen all the time in sports, and imo, rooting for one is almost what being a fanatical fan is about.

Everyone is getting on the Mets and killing them. So why can't I look for the silver lining and think about why it could happen that way?

I understand they suck, and are sucking, and look like they want to suck forever. But I'd rather root for the signs of hope rather than proclaiming Pagan will bat .180 or David Wright will strike out more than Niese. (Actually, I think that would bea decent "Who has more" question)

[seawolf17]

Gwreck wrote: FYI: Mets announced that your tickets from last night can be exchanged for a free game against the Pirates, May 30-June 2.

In case you think losing to the Astros isn't enough and you'd like to see them lose to another awful team too.

[Gwreck]

*

[TransMonk]

I hear ya, Cee.

I am enjoying watching the development of Ike and Thole. They both seem like that even if they are not world beaters, they could both end up being good Mets for a long while. Even if nothing else is going right, I like seeing the kids play.

True, Klap sucks, but it sounds like the story of Collins blowing up at Murph could be true.

[Ceetar]

TransMonk wrote: I hear ya, Cee. I am enjoying watching the development of Ike and Thole. They both seem like that even if they are not world beaters, they could both end up being good Mets for a long while. Even if nothing else is going right, I like seeing the kids play. True, Klap sucks, but it sounds like the story of Collins blowing up at Murph could be true.

well, we wanted accountability right?

I like seeing Ike develop too, and Niese too, who battled last night despite not being that good. Could we perhaps stop walking people? maybe? please?

However, the stories, which I think may be last years and have the statistics updated and Collins name in for Manuel's about maybe it's time for Meija are a little annoying. As are the Daily OMG TRADE REYES NOW ones.

[Guest The Second Spitter]

TransMonk wrote: Sounds like Muffy may be in Terry's doghouse. I hope that didn't influence Collin's decision making on whether or not to use him in the PH spot.

Christ, the Klap's like Johnny-on-the-spot when it comes to shitting on the Mets. I'm surprised he resisted the urge to throw in a reference to TWTMCB.

That said, TWTMCB were infinitely more interesting to watch than this mob.....

[metirish]

Good that he chewed Murphy out , he deserved it.

[Guest Edgy DC]

TransMonk wrote: II am enjoying watching the development of Ike and Thole. They both seem like that even if they are not world beaters, they could both end up being good Mets for a long while. Even if nothing else is going right, I like seeing the kids play.

How about that Thole, though? Breaking in a young catcher is hard, and doing it without a veteran catcher who knows the league sharing the load seems to be hurting Thole. None of his starters are making their pitches and he's not doing bupkis to stop the running game. Flushing needs Paulino as much as Bay, I fear.