Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him?

[Gwreck]

Centerfield wrote: The notion that Sandy needs to watch him play in person (and I don't think he actually said this, but it's been used as a justification by others for the wait and see approach) makes no sense. That logic is almost Omarian.

I would expect that anyone referring to "wait and see" or "see how he plays" refers to "seeing" (in the general sense) how Jose does in 2011: can he stay healthy; how does he perform; etc.

I'm fine with signing him to a contract extension but I think there's an awful lot of presumption that Jose would want to do so.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Ceetar wrote: It depends on if Reyes is actually serious about wanting to stay here.

I'm sure he's serious. I'm sure he's also serious about getting paid top dollar or thereabouts for his services.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: Ceetar wrote: It depends on if Reyes is actually serious about wanting to stay here. I'm sure he's serious. I'm sure he's also serious about getting paid top dollar or thereabouts for his services.

'thereabouts' is where I'm at here. Until the other teams can call him up and say "We'd pay you XXX for XXX" that is all theoretical. the Phillies can't call him up and show him how much he destroys the ball in their tiny park. His agent can tell him "I think you'll get paid like Crawford." but that doesn't mean he will, or that he compares himself to Crawford.

He could squash it alltogether and just say he's got a contract, he'll play out the contract, and then he'll get a new contract. If he's serious about top-dollar, free agency is the way to go, even if he wants to resign. Have a killer year and milk it.

It's all on him really. But I think his desire to stay is more than his desire for every last cent. At least right now.

[Guest Edgy DC]

His agent has a clue. And so does he.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

The reason he'd want to sign now? He's played a combined 169 games the last two seasons. 2/22-27M or 3/30-33M gives him some security AND some flexibility should something happen (whether it be leg-based, immune-system-based, or holy-shit-I-need-a-dual-kidney-transplant-based) or should his health/level of play increase his value over the next year or two; it does the same for the team. It's also more than he'd make on the open market right now, given his last two seasons.

Edited January 20, 2011 by Guest

[Theoldmole]

Sign him. Keep him.

[smg58]

Reyes can regain his full value, or he can lose more of it in another injury-plagued season. The Mets will be in a financially advantageous position next offseason, which means they'll be able to outbid other suitors if they decide that they want to, or move on if they decide that they want to. Reyes and his agent know that a full healthy season will boost his value significantly, and the Mets know that committing right now to 3+ years at an annual salary close to or greater than the $15M Reyes has been worth total over the past two years is foolhardy. So this will take a while.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I have this nagging feeling that the Phillies will sweep in and sign Reyes, and the Mets, facing a void at the position will sign Rollins.

I don't want that to happen!

[Centerfield]

And that is largely my point. Even if he has just an ok 2011, his value will rise simply by the threat the Philadelphia (or any other team) will come in and swoop him away. And if he walks, there is such a paucity of viable options. I don't want Rollins, and Jeter, unfortunately, will be unavailable.

I realize it's a gamble, but I don't see it as one where the odds favor our current thinking.

[Guest Edgy DC]

What's our current thinking?

I want the team to sign him now also. But coming to terms that are amenable to both sides is still a challenge.

[Benjamin Grimm]

By "our" do you mean us, here in the forum, or Sandy and his boys?

[Centerfield]

The current thinking appears to be that Sandy wants to wait and see how he does this season before having any discussions. Certainly he's not talking to him now.

I think he should try now. Get an idea of what he wants, float what we think is reasonable out there. If you're worlds apart, you can shelf it, but it's worth a shot. Reyes's value is low, but I still think he's our best option at shortstop. Which means it's a great opportunity to buy low.

[Centerfield]

Are you talking to me or Edgy? I don't think the forum has a consensus. Some want him locked up now, I see some want to wait.

I don't agree with Sandy's wait and see philosophy. I think he should be at the table now.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I was just trying to clarify the last phrase of your previous post, wich you did, but Alderson's stated clearly that he's waiting until spring to get an offer on the table, not until fall.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

I think it behooves both parties to reach an agreement including a decent raise for the guy now. It makes sense for the Fightin' Aldersons, as he's unlikely to find an upgrade at/around Reyes' asking price. Plus, Reyes has a budding family and signficant time missed in half of his seasons in the majors so far. Risk aversion (in terms of being comfortable with one's workplace and the sure money) should be a little closer to the front of his brain.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

My feeling is that if you're really going to offer Reyes a deal that's fair -- given his recent injury troubles and the fact that his game may be in decline -- you're only going to insult him. I think he could still have an excellent year or three, don't get me wrong, but I'd feel better about that possibility if he shows he can continue to rebound while you still have him at a good price.

I also think the Mets ought to be considering this year whether to unload him in July.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Gentlemen, let's see some numbers. You sit down with Jose Reyes right now knowing every thing you know about him. What's your offer?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

To start?

2 yrs/19.5M or 3 yrs/27M.

[Centerfield]

10 per year, 3 years.

[Centerfield]

Edgy DC wrote: I was just trying to clarify the last phrase of your previous post, wich you did, but Alderson's stated clearly that he's waiting until spring to get an offer on the table, not until fall.

Oh did he? I didn't know that. Good for Sandy then. Lock him up in Florida.

[metirish]

five years $90 million

[Guest Edgy DC]

Centerfield wrote: 10 per year, 3 years.

I wish that could get it done. But I think that's the offer that gets us an unhappy shorstop. I imagine he's going to be asking for something more like six and $108 million. I'd be surprised if we could get him for six and 90.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: To start? 2 yrs/19.5M or 3 yrs/27M.

Really? See you in the fall!

[Ceetar]

He's on Twitter right now, someone could ask him what he wants.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Edgy DC wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: To start? 2 yrs/19.5M or 3 yrs/27M. Really? See you in the fall!

As an opening offer!

I'd go to 3/33-36M or 4/44. (He's not getting 15-plus or 5+ years, methinks, from ANYONE.)

[metirish]

Dude , you start high and go lower , not low and then high.....fucks sake like.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: To start? 2 yrs/19.5M or 3 yrs/27M. Really? See you in the fall! As an opening offer! I'd go to 3/33-36M or 4/44. (He's not getting 15-plus or 5+ years, methinks, from ANYONE.)

"We have a sacred duty to uphold the Yankee Brand."

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Oh, you bastard.

[Guest Edgy DC]

It's about respect. By the time you get that second offer on the table, Reyes' reps have walked out on you and he's ripped you to pieces in the press.

"He thinks he's in Oakland! He thinks he's in San Diego! Those teams let people go when they've earned their money, and they never finish building their team! I've earned my money! I've shown what I can do! If he wants to let me go, then that's his decision, but that sort of management won't work here! I've been here for seven years, and I've earned more respect than to receive such an insulting offer. How long has he been here? I love this city and these fans and intend to show them all I can do with a monster season, but that's a tough insult to take. It's hard to get past." "I've seen lesser players than me get their paydays here. I'm not naming names --- cough! -- but they come and some play good and some play not so good. But they get their payday. And I think, be paitient, you'll get yours. Maybe I will, but it seems maybe somewher else. It's disappointing." "Professor Reyes has taken a few economics classes, you know?"

[Vic Sage]

did reyes suffer another injury i'm unaware of? Did he finish the season relatively healthy (for him), or stumble to the finish? I really don't remember, because i've blacked last season completely out of my memory.

assuming relative health / avg-decent finish, what exactly is gained by "waiting to see" in ST? what is Sandy going to see, exactly? Whether Jose will make it thru next August? Unknowable. Whether he's got a limp? that would've been clear at the end of last season, no?

i don't get it.

[Ceetar]

heh, on Twitter:

Jose Reyes wrote: Who do you root for? Yanks or Phils? ="@JoeG_24] Reyes u suck, better hope u get traded...the Mets aren't going anywhere...lol