Predict the Day That Jerry Gets Fired

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At some point, the Wilpons are going to realize that they are spending a great deal of money for a team that is, at best, mediocre.

When does Jerry get fired? If you think he will last the season, say so. Otherwise, give an exact date.

I'm going with June 7.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I think that they may feel they owe it to him to wait until Carlos Beltran gets back, and then four weeks after that and....

On the other hand, Omar has his own head to worry about, so he may be quicker to move.

[Gwreck]

I think he (unfortunately) lasts the season but does not return for 2011. I'll say they fire him October 5.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

If it goes like this? 'Til two weeks after Beltran gets back, or a week or two after the All-Star Break.

Off day after the West Coast trip. July 26.

Edited May 13, 2010 by Guest

[metirish]

If 'not soon enough' were a date I woiuld put that.

Manuel gets fired just before the first subway series and Valentine gets hired.

It's not fair on Manuel but everything about hoim irritates me, the pre and post game chuckle, the in game stupidity...he talks after the game last night about Reyes didn't have a spring training, yet once again he asks him to bunt in that spot.....he missed working on these drills in spring Jerry says yet he keeps asking him to do it.....

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

metirish wrote: Manuel gets fired just before the first subway series and Valentine gets hired.

I'm highly suggestible, Metswise. Don't put these thoughts in my head, man. That's just cruel.

[Frayed Knot]

At this point you have to wonder about a few things:

a) who's calling the shots? Is this Omar's call or not.

whose ever call it is, are they on board with the excessive bunting often without regard for lineup spot or who is coming up next? If they're OK with it then Jerry is simply pushing the right buttons and the players aren't executing.
And if they're not is there someone within the system - Oberkfell?, Melvin?, Hale? - who they think will roll the dice differently?
I don't think Valentine is getting the call.



'Anytime' would be OK with me at this juncture. Jerry's not a bad guy IMO, he's just too set in his ways (the wrong ways from my view) and these one-run losses where the manager's decisions make the most difference are starting to mount up and kill us.
The 50-game mark with be in about two weeks which is as fair a mark as a manager needs. If the upcoming back-to-back series vs MFYs & MFPs go badly there might be a new guy on the plane to Milwaukee. That's [u:1qfmkp3o]May 28[/u:1qfmkp3o].

[nymr83]

June 3rd, an offday after a quick 6 game trip

[Benjamin Grimm]

When will the Mets next be on the West Coast? It would make it easier to do one of those 3 a.m. firings. Remember, when you fire your manager at 3 a.m., nobody ever finds out!

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: When will the Mets next be on the West Coast? It would make it easier to do one of those 3 a.m. firings. Remember, when you fire your manager at 3 a.m., nobody ever finds out!

Just after the All-Star Break.

The funny thing? Gun to head, I would bet pretty heavily on his being bulletproof during the trip, if only for its duration... just because of the reaction the last time. Even if it's the absolute right time to do it-- even if he goes on a mildly racist postgame rant during the trip's first leg, Beltran comes back just to say "I'm not sure about this guy," and every horoscope in every Omar-and-Wilpon-read newspaper for two weeks reads "It's time for a change."

[Ceetar]

I don't think It's Omar's call, and I've suspected Manuel has more sway with bigger fish based on whenever Omar and Jerry say different things about the direction of the team (often) the chips all seem to fall on Manuel's side. (Mejia for instance)

He's just not going to get fired. If they're not going to fire him when the team is _again_ drastically underperforming, and losing in mindnumbing fashion and blame it on the players, then they'll continue to blame it on the players.

So if they don't fire him _right now_, Bay and Reyes will get hot, the Mets will win games (including a Sweep of Phladelphia next week) and he'll get a contract extension after the playoffs even though he managed the team out of them.

[metirish]

Only two games behind, I just don't see him getting fired. (as much as I would want it)

[Guest Edgy DC]

Funny thing is that he lost the last two games making the same strategic call with it blowing up in the same way. Both games resulted in his opponent not only winning, but passing his team in the standings.

That's the sort of thing that makes drinking men out of managers.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

In retrospect hiring him on a full-time basis was a completely avoidable blunder and that has to go on Omar.

Of course the person who most deserved a whacking after '08 the most was Omar himself. And the Jeff Francoeur thing is is his too, Jerry's fate oddly may be tied to Frenchie's.

My desire is for a double-whacking on July 1.

[TransMonk]

Yeah, I can't see Jerry getting booted without Omar going at the same time.

Sadly, I think they may both get through the rest of the season.

[Guest Edgy DC]

You may want it to go down that way, but you can't see it any other way? I totally can see one outliving the other.

Have the Mets ever really fired both at the same time? Johnson and Cashen went together, but the former was let go and the latter retired, I think. Torborg and Harazin went about the same time, but I can't recall if it was in one fell swoop. Torborg wasn't Harazin's hire anyhow and perhaps the guy should have been allowed one.

Howe went around the same time as Duquette was demoted, but again, they weren't necessarily linked.

[TransMonk]

Did any of those GMs have 2 managerial firings with such high expectations on their watch?

I'm not an Omar hater. I just think he was lucky to survive 2008 and the Willie debacle. I don't think he gets the benefit of the doubt from ownership again.

On edit: I want the Mets win their next 30 games and all of this to become moot. That being said, there is no way I totally can see one outliving the other.

Edited May 14, 2010 by Guest

[Frayed Knot]

I suppose the asst GM is always some sort of GM in waiting, but is there anyone currently on staff that ownership actually considers to be a future GM?
Manager is a different story and, while Omar getting to name yet another permanent field boss may be one more than he deserves, a finish-out-the- year interim is another story.
IOW, drop-kicking Omar at the end of the season if things don't go well might be more in the plans but, no, I don't think they need to walk the plank together.

[metirish]

TransMonk wrote: Did any of those GMs have 2 managerial firings with such high expectations on their watch? I'm not an Omar hater. I just think he was lucky to survive 2008 and the Willie debacle. I don't think he gets the benefit of the doubt from ownership again.

Minaya has that contract for another two years....

To try and answer FK's question.....Ricco would be next in line I would think.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: Funny thing is that he lost the last two games making the same strategic call with it blowing up in the same way. Both games resulted in his opponent not only winning, but passing his team in the standings. That's the sort of thing that makes drinking men out of managers.

This was what turned me against Jerry for good (over a year ago at this point). His inability to learn. His ability to stick to his guns and make the same decisions despite it proving to be the wrong call in the past. Whether it's pulling Johan early, bunting down a run in the 9th, or bunting with your third hitter.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Well, nobody thinks Bunting is for Losers any more passionately than I do but when it comes down to it the kind of thing that's going to get Jerry fired isn't the bunt calls but the total lack of execution when he calls for a bunt.

That's the kind of stuff that happened over and over again last year and is, to Jerry's credit, been less of an issue this year. I think Reyes misses his HGH and roid therapy

[Guest Edgy DC]

I think Jerry is less stubborn than Randolph was, but that doesn't make him more right. I just think his failure to put the team in a winning position has got to be weighing down on their morale.

[Benjamin Grimm]

When exactly does Howard Johnson's seat start to heat up? Is he immune because he's a 1986 hero? (He actually sucked in 1986, but that's beside the point.) Or because he's David Wright's baseball step-daddy? I suspect that if he was some import from another organization, someone who didn't have deep Mets roots, he'd be gone by now. It's okay to hire heroes from the team's past, but you have to realize that at some point you may have to fire them.

[Ceetar]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: When exactly does Howard Johnson's seat start to heat up? Is he immune because he's a 1986 hero? (He actually sucked in 1986, but that's beside the point.) Or because he's David Wright's baseball step-daddy? I suspect that if he was some import from another organization, someone who didn't have deep Mets roots, he'd be gone by now. It's okay to hire heroes from the team's past, but you have to realize that at some point you may have to fire them.

I've thought maybe they should just make HoJo a bench coach. Which would sorta be a promotion but still get him away from hitting if it's a problem. Of course, you probably let your new manager pick his own bench coach. (Or you could undermine him from the getgo, why not?)

[metirish]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: When exactly does Howard Johnson's seat start to heat up? Is he immune because he's a 1986 hero? (He actually sucked in 1986, but that's beside the point.) Or because he's David Wright's baseball step-daddy? I suspect that if he was some import from another organization, someone who didn't have deep Mets roots, he'd be gone by now. It's okay to hire heroes from the team's past, but you have to realize that at some point you may have to fire them.

Good point , me , I've never cared for him as a hitting coach.....I hate to overstate what they do but fuck me he's done nothing with these players.

Reasons why the Mets won't / can't fire him


He's Wright's step-daddy
His son rents from Daniel Murphy

[Guest Edgy DC]

metirish wrote: TransMonk wrote: Did any of those GMs have 2 managerial firings with such high expectations on their watch? I'm not an Omar hater. I just think he was lucky to survive 2008 and the Willie debacle. I don't think he gets the benefit of the doubt from ownership again. Minaya has that contract for another two years.... To try and answer FK's question.....Ricco would be next in line I would think.

Don't forget Wayne Krivsky.

[HahnSolo]

If Omar does get canned, I'd like the permanent replacement (and I've said this before) to come from somewhere other than the Cashen/McIlvaine/Phillips tree.

Krivsky would be welcome.

[metirish]

I totally didn't remember the Wayne

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

In retrospect hiring him on a full-time basis was a completely avoidable blunder and that has to go on Omar.

See also: Castillo, Luis; Perez, Oliver?

I'm not sure where to slot it, exactly, but misplaced loyalty/overvaluation of recent successes has got to rank pretty high on his list of missteps during his Met tenure.

[Fman99]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: When exactly does Howard Johnson's seat start to heat up? Is he immune because he's a 1986 hero? (He actually sucked in 1986, but that's beside the point.) Or because he's David Wright's baseball step-daddy? I suspect that if he was some import from another organization, someone who didn't have deep Mets roots, he'd be gone by now. It's okay to hire heroes from the team's past, but you have to realize that at some point you may have to fire them.

Seriously. Kick him over to SNY, where he can only hurt people with banal postgame claptrap (see Ojeda, Bob.)

I think the ideal Mets hitting coach is another '86 alum, in the booth. Too bad he has no interest in the full time gig. Not that I blame him, the idea of working 110 days per year sounds just ducky to me also.