Mets Media Guide assistance

[Benjamin Grimm]

Hey Mets fans!

I can use some help for something I'm doing with the UMDB. I have a bunch of Mets Media Guides from over the years, but there are many that I'm missing. If anyone has any of the following guides, and would be willing to scan and e-mail me 1 to 3 pages from whatever guides they have, I'd appreciate it. I'm slowly building up a list of all disabled list transactions in Mets history. (I wonder what inspired that?) Visit Jose Reyes' page, or Cliff Floyd's, or Craig Swan's, if you want to see some of the data that's already been gathered.)

Anyway, here are the Guides that I'm missing:

1963 through 1978.
1980
1982
1984
1985
1986
1988
1989
1990
1991
1997
2001
2002
2006
2007


What I need are the "Chronology" or "Transactions" sections. (I know that they've appeared in the Guides back to as early as 1979; I'm not sure if they were in the earlier Guides, but I imagine they were.)

If you have access to a Guide and a scanner, and you're willing to help, I'd appreciate it, and so would legions of Mets fans from around the universe. Just send the scans to the address that's on this page: www.leaptoad.com/mets/contact.html

My mother thanks you. My father thanks you. My sister thanks you. And I thank you.

[metirish]

Good luck in this , pretty amazin that you can go to Floyd's page and get this information

On disabled list from August 19, 2003 to September 29, 2003 (sore right Achilles tendon); from April 12, 2004 to May 13, 2004 (strained right quadriceps); from June 7, 2006 to June 30, 2006 (spained left ankle); from August 9, 2006 to September 2, 2006 (left Achilles tendinitis).

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Will be in touch!

[Guest Edgy DC]

I love my media guides. I'll help too.

[Guest Kong76]

I can do a bunch too, can we use the thread to show what's
knocked off the list so we don't duplicate efforts?

http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MetsTrans82.pdf
http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MetsTrans84.pdf

Sorry, the month is cut off on the 84 ... I didn't look at the scan
before I sent it to server but you can make out the ept, ov, etc.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Cool, thanks! And posting in this thread what's already been shared is a good idea. And if I have any legibility problems with any of the scans, I can post them here as well.

[Guest Kong76]

http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MetsTrans70.pdf
http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MetsTrans73.pdf
http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MetsTrans75.pdf
http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MetsTrans76a.pdf
http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MetsTrans76b.pdf

[A Boy Named Seo]

Why were Ryan, Jorgensen, and Boswell each placed on the miliary list for 2 weeks in '70?

[Chad ochoseis]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Why were Ryan, Jorgensen, and Boswell each placed on the miliary list for 2 weeks in '70?

National Guard duty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champagne_unit

[Guest Kong76]

http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MetsTrans77.pdf
http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MetsTrans78.pdf
http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MetsTrans79.pdf
http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MetsTrans80.pdf

What the hell is that thing on the bottom of the scans. I
need to clean the glass but it looks like a crane's head lol.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Mendoza Line wrote: Why were Ryan, Jorgensen, and Boswell each placed on the miliary list for 2 weeks in '70? National Guard duty. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champagne_unit

Thanks. So those guys joined the National Guard (reserves?) to maybe avoid being drafted, and Nolan Ryan (and maybe all 3?) were put in this champagne unit which would all but assure them of not seeing actual combat? Wonder if the Mets had to pull strings, or the fact that they were Mets the year after winning the WS was all the strings they needed?

I never knew that stuff. Sorry if it's been covered before.

[Guest Kong76]

There was all kinds of monkey business going on to keep from going
to Vietnam. I know someone who went into the army and played on a
traveling baseball team his whole time in. Yes, baseball.

Of course, stuff like that wasn't as 'newsworthy' as draft dodging, war
protests, etc. The very father of that guy was as much an Archie Bunker
love it or leave it gentleman as you'll ever meet ... but his son played
baseball because of connections instead of going to the jungle.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Looks like Ellis Valentine was traded from the Expos to the Mets in 1981 while he was on the disabled list. I guess the rule that's currently in place wasn't in effect back then. Or there was some kind of a loophole.

[Frayed Knot]

Baseball teams (and other sports) were long a staple of the armed services before Vietnam. Dimaggio and others did baseball-playing tours during WWII as part of 'morale boosting' efforts. Not everyone got off so easy as you usually had to be pretty darn good to get onto one of those teams (high minors of better) - although I believe 'only' two active MLers were killed in combat during that war.


As far as those Met teams, since the draft was in effect during the Vietnam era joining the reserves was a way to get in your service time another way. There were definitely cases of strings pulled now and then - there was a story about how Charlie Finley got one of his stars pulled back state-side after being shipped to SE Asia - but losing guys for a few weeks here and a few there on account of military obligations was somewhat common place at that time.
The only Met I remember who actually saw time in Vietnam was Dave Schneck but that was before he was a major leaguer.

[Valadius]

I have 2001 at my parents' house. Let me know what you're looking for.

[Guest Kong76]

Here's a few more ...

http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MetsTrans85.pdf
http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MetsTrans86.pdf
http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MetsTrans88.pdf
http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MetsTrans89.pdf
http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MetsTrans90.pdf

I can't find a 1991, which surprises me because I was pretty
compulsive about this stuff when I was in building and buying
mode. Anyways, I have several '89s and '93s if someone want
to trade.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Valadius wrote: I have 2001 at my parents' house. Let me know what you're looking for.

I don't want to sound like I don't appreciate the offer of help, but I did say in my opening post exactly what I was looking for.

[nymr83]

What I need are the "Chronology" or "Transactions" sections. (I know that they've appeared in the Guides back to as early as 1979; I'm not sure if they were in the earlier Guides, but I imagine they were.)

the transactions page on mets.com includes when guys went on and off the DL and goes back to 2001

[Guest Kong76]

Can't put my hands on the '97 either ...

http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MetsTrans01a.pdf
http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MetsTrans01b.pdf
http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MetsTrans02a.pdf
http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MetsTrans02b.pdf
http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MetsTrans02c.pdf

[Guest Swan Swan H]

I have the '97 guide. It's on the way to the e-mail address in the first post.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Valadius wrote: I have 2001 at my parents' house. Let me know what you're looking for. I don't want to sound like I don't appreciate the offer of help, but I did say in my opening post exactly what I was looking for.

I often get the impression that many posters don't read much more than the last one or two posts in any given thread, no matter how long the thread may be. I may be wrong in my assumption, but I often get that distinct impression from the way posts are often made that seem oblivious to discussions that have already occurred earlier in the same thread.

[Valadius]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Valadius wrote: I have 2001 at my parents' house. Let me know what you're looking for. I don't want to sound like I don't appreciate the offer of help, but I did say in my opening post exactly what I was looking for.

Didn't see that part at first.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Swan Swan H wrote: I have the '97 guide. It's on the way to the e-mail address in the first post.

Got it, thanks! And I've entered the 1996 info. (I've also done the 1982 stuff that Kong has posted. And I'll continue to work my way through the rest of it.)

[Guest Kong76]

It occurred to me before that Lunchgrabber might have all the transaction
data in some Excel file or some database. I recall from a couple of years ago
that he was working on something (I think).

[MFS62]

Kong76 wrote: There was all kinds of monkey business going on to keep from going to Vietnam. I know someone who went into the army and played on a traveling baseball team his whole time in. Yes, baseball. Of course, stuff like that wasn't as 'newsworthy' as draft dodging, war protests, etc. The very father of that guy was as much an Archie Bunker love it or leave it gentleman as you'll ever meet ... but his son played baseball because of connections instead of going to the jungle.

I always wondered, if that if you were going into the Reserves or National Guard to avoid getting drafted and seeing combat, why would someone sign up for the Marine Reserves (IIRC like some of the Mets did)?
To prove to everyone that you were a tough wuss?

Later

[Guest Edgy DC]

Here we go from the 1966 media guide --- seemingly a relatively healthy year once the official Mets shoulder surgeon cut the infield open.

[Guest Edgy DC]

MFS62 wrote: Kong76 wrote: There was all kinds of monkey business going on to keep from going to Vietnam. I know someone who went into the army and played on a traveling baseball team his whole time in. Yes, baseball. Of course, stuff like that wasn't as 'newsworthy' as draft dodging, war protests, etc. The very father of that guy was as much an Archie Bunker love it or leave it gentleman as you'll ever meet ... but his son played baseball because of connections instead of going to the jungle. I always wondered, if that if you were going into the Reserves or National Guard to avoid getting drafted and seeing combat, why would someone sign up for the Marine Reserves (IIRC like some of the Mets did)? To prove to everyone that you were a tough wuss? Later

That's a good question. It may have something to do with which reserve units you sensed were most likely to get called up and shipped out. I'm sure a lot of that was based on rumors and other misinformation.

="Tug McGraw in Ya Gotta Believe"]As that sumer was coming to a close, I would finish out the season with another first for my career in the bigs---the first time I was thrown out of a game. It was September, and the last game before I was leaving for boot camp with the marines. I had received my notice for selective service in my fan mail---go figure---and decided that I would get into the reserves before they had a chance to draft me. I first looked into the navy reserves, but they didn't have the program I wanted, so I narrowed my choices down to the army, the National Guard, and the Marines. I'd love to claim I put a great deal of thought into picking a branch of the service, but the truth is that the marines had the shortest line at the recruiting center, so I picked them. Most of the young guys didn't want to go into the marines because of horror stories that were circulating, like the one about he drill instructor leading a group of guys into a swamp at low tide and then getting them stuck and drowned when the tide came in. But that didn't faze me---I just didn't want to stand in line and figured this baseball thing would end sooner rather than later, so I'd better be prepared for what was next.

[Guest Kong76]

I've never seen inside any of the 60's, that's cool.
How 'bout that Yogi?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Yeah, my sweet little '66 is as old as I've got. My next best one is the 1970, I think. I'll post that tomorry, along with a purple essay about Johnny Murphy.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Here's the 1969-1970 transactions --- most notably Johnny Murphy being claimed by the Angels --- as listed in the 1970 media guide. As with championship teams, the injury bug didn't hit them hard, and mostly led to good turns. An early back injury for Shamsky allowed Rod Gaspar to show his quality, and Shasmky came back better than new. Mid-season military duty for some guys may have slowed the chase to catch the Cubs, but if the other guys got the same sort of clerical duty that Tug McGraw got, then they probably appreciated the rest and came back fresher. Certainly their arms probably did, if not their legs.

Anyhow, I hope this helps and is readable.