Anatomy of a lost season

[Guest Edgy DC]

="Nymr83":1izifb1m] ="Edgy DC":1izifb1m] If they saw Dunn only as a firstbaseman, they missed a lot. If they thought Murphy was a better bet in the outfield, so did they miss more. But neither of those are about Delgado.[/quote:1izifb1m] Just add on here, Dunn was a perfect fit, he could play the outfield in 2009 and then be moved to 1B when Delgado's contract expired if you felt that was where he belonged, he would have given the Mets flexibility in their 2010 shopping as well![/quote:1izifb1m] Yeah, yeah. That's what I said pretty much exactly on page one. It's probably what I said over the winter. I certainly thought it. As for reinforcements, I can't imagine a trade --- acknowledging my prejudice ----that could have saved this ship, and I'd hate to think of the price that any half measure would have cost. Working and praying for the health of the disabled players seemed the best and last hope to me. I really wish there was more people on board with this point, but a GM does not particularly show his merit in making dazzling mid-season trades to save a fading campaign. But sportwriters love 'em. metsmarathon Aug 27 2009 06:52 AM i'd love to know what trade could've been made that would've saved the season, aside, perhaps, for trading our broken players for the healthy versions of themselves. and then, of course, the persistent knock against omar that our farm system sucks would truly come to fruition. metirish Aug 27 2009 06:56 AM ="metsmarathon":198kkavf]i'd love to know what trade could've been made that would've saved the season, aside, perhaps, for trading our broken players for the healthy versions of themselves. and then, of course, the persistent knock against omar that our farm system sucks would truly come to fruition.[/quote:198kkavf] It's a good point , the influx of injured players coming back never happened either. Benjamin Grimm Aug 27 2009 06:58 AM Yeah, there's no way that Omar could have traded himself out of this mess. You might argue that he could have done something before the mess became so large, but even if he had, it wouldn't have helped any. It's probably better that he did nothing. It's certainly good that he didn't make any desperation trades. (I do wonder what kinds of deals he was working on.) MFS62 Aug 27 2009 08:54 AM ="metsmarathon"]when they first dug the foundation for citi field, and found those pottery shards, arrowheads, and old indian bones, and still built the damned thing, the die was cast for this season. 'Thon, I mentioned that to a friend who is married to a Native American woman. I asked if there was anything that could be done to reverse a spell. This was his email reply: ]u're on your own on this one....i suggest a sacrifice at home plate...u have enough injured bodies that burning one more at the stake wouldn't make a big diff OK, so, who do we pick? Later metsmarathon Aug 27 2009 09:20 AM allyssa milano... LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 27 2009 01:44 PM ="MFS62"] ="metsmarathon"]when they first dug the foundation for citi field, and found those pottery shards, arrowheads, and old indian bones, and still built the damned thing, the die was cast for this season. 'Thon, I mentioned that to a friend who is married to a Native American woman. I asked if there was anything that could be done to reverse a spell. This was his email reply: ]u're on your own on this one....i suggest a sacrifice at home plate...u have enough injured bodies that burning one more at the stake wouldn't make a big diff OK, so, who do we pick? Later Burn Martinez-- JUST MAKE SURE YOU GET THE RIGHT ONE! Nymr83 Aug 27 2009 02:12 PM Shit. I had a whole long post and it got deleted when I accidentally closed the browser. heres the short version: the argument that the Mets were "beyond help" is in my opinion just 20/20 hindsight, there was a period of a month or more after the Delgado injury (which should have been a big "we need help sign") in which all other significant injured players besides Perez were expected back soon and in which the Mets were playing .500 ball and were only a couple of games out. On July 2nd after beating the Pirates in a makeup game the Mets were a game back from both philly and florida. The team wasn't beyond help for that month at least.

Edited August 26, 2009 by Guest

[metsmarathon]

i'd love to know what trade could've been made that would've saved the season, aside, perhaps, for trading our broken players for the healthy versions of themselves.

and then, of course, the persistent knock against omar that our farm system sucks would truly come to fruition.

[metirish]

="metsmarathon":198kkavf]i'd love to know what trade could've been made that would've saved the season, aside, perhaps, for trading our broken players for the healthy versions of themselves. and then, of course, the persistent knock against omar that our farm system sucks would truly come to fruition.[/quote:198kkavf] It's a good point , the influx of injured players coming back never happened either.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 27 2009 06:58 AM

Yeah, there's no way that Omar could have traded himself out of this mess. You might argue that he could have done something before the mess became so large, but even if he had, it wouldn't have helped any. It's probably better that he did nothing. It's certainly good that he didn't make any desperation trades. (I do wonder what kinds of deals he was working on.)

MFS62 Aug 27 2009 08:54 AM

="metsmarathon"]when they first dug the foundation for citi field, and found those pottery shards, arrowheads, and old indian bones, and still built the damned thing, the die was cast for this season. 'Thon, I mentioned that to a friend who is married to a Native American woman. I asked if there was anything that could be done to reverse a spell. This was his email reply: ]u're on your own on this one....i suggest a sacrifice at home plate...u have enough injured bodies that burning one more at the stake wouldn't make a big diff OK, so, who do we pick? Later

metsmarathon Aug 27 2009 09:20 AM

allyssa milano...

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 27 2009 01:44 PM

="MFS62"] ="metsmarathon"]when they first dug the foundation for citi field, and found those pottery shards, arrowheads, and old indian bones, and still built the damned thing, the die was cast for this season. 'Thon, I mentioned that to a friend who is married to a Native American woman. I asked if there was anything that could be done to reverse a spell. This was his email reply: ]u're on your own on this one....i suggest a sacrifice at home plate...u have enough injured bodies that burning one more at the stake wouldn't make a big diff OK, so, who do we pick? Later Burn Martinez-- JUST MAKE SURE YOU GET THE RIGHT ONE!

Nymr83 Aug 27 2009 02:12 PM

Shit. I had a whole long post and it got deleted when I accidentally closed the browser. heres the short version: the argument that the Mets were "beyond help" is in my opinion just 20/20 hindsight, there was a period of a month or more after the Delgado injury (which should have been a big "we need help sign") in which all other significant injured players besides Perez were expected back soon and in which the Mets were playing .500 ball and were only a couple of games out. On July 2nd after beating the Pirates in a makeup game the Mets were a game back from both philly and florida. The team wasn't beyond help for that month at least.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Yeah, there's no way that Omar could have traded himself out of this mess.

You might argue that he could have done something before the mess became so large, but even if he had, it wouldn't have helped any. It's probably better that he did nothing. It's certainly good that he didn't make any desperation trades. (I do wonder what kinds of deals he was working on.)

[MFS62]

="metsmarathon"]when they first dug the foundation for citi field, and found those pottery shards, arrowheads, and old indian bones, and still built the damned thing, the die was cast for this season.

'Thon, I mentioned that to a friend who is married to a Native American woman. I asked if there was anything that could be done to reverse a spell.

This was his email reply:

]u're on your own on this one....i suggest a sacrifice at home plate...u have enough injured bodies that burning one more at the stake wouldn't make a big diff

OK, so, who do we pick?

Later

[metsmarathon]

allyssa milano...

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

="MFS62"] ="metsmarathon"]when they first dug the foundation for citi field, and found those pottery shards, arrowheads, and old indian bones, and still built the damned thing, the die was cast for this season. 'Thon, I mentioned that to a friend who is married to a Native American woman. I asked if there was anything that could be done to reverse a spell. This was his email reply: ]u're on your own on this one....i suggest a sacrifice at home plate...u have enough injured bodies that burning one more at the stake wouldn't make a big diff OK, so, who do we pick? Later

Burn Martinez-- JUST MAKE SURE YOU GET THE RIGHT ONE!

[nymr83]

Shit. I had a whole long post and it got deleted when I accidentally closed the browser.

heres the short version: the argument that the Mets were "beyond help" is in my opinion just 20/20 hindsight, there was a period of a month or more after the Delgado injury (which should have been a big "we need help sign") in which all other significant injured players besides Perez were expected back soon and in which the Mets were playing .500 ball and were only a couple of games out. On July 2nd after beating the Pirates in a makeup game the Mets were a game back from both philly and florida. The team wasn't beyond help for that month at least.