Mets trade OF Church to Braves for OF Francoeur

[Ceetar]

="Swan Swan H"] ] go ahead. tell me again how Tatis is a better player and should start and Murphy should go to AAA. Just further convince me you don't watch the game and watch Tatis do nothing of value. You don't get it, do you? Tatis is a disaster. The trade is mind boggling. Everything is Black and White. What I'm trying to say is that it's not that easy. Unless we're talking abut the Yankees, of course. Nothing is too extreme. Want to cherry-pick a game? How about April 29? Tatis was 3-4 with two runs and an RBI, a homer and a stolen base. Murphy was 1-3 with a sac bunt. Silly? Of course it is. Using one game to defend a position is like looking out the window once and saying the weather in this town sucks.

I was using one game. How about Tatis' 11 GIDP, which is one of the reasons we were losing despite having the highest AVG in the majors, which i'm sure isn't the case anymore. Or batting a guy that's not hitting at all 4th or 5th, as Manuel did/does routinely.

And April was the game you picked? was it because you couldn't find anything worthwhile since? He had that grand slam in may, but they lost that game. There is pretty much zero reason for Tatis to be a starting player on this team, injuries or no, and you could make a case he's not even worthy of the bench. (that's hard to do with Argenis still here though)

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

="Edgy DC"](No GM, for instance, is disgraced by every single transaction -- not even Cam Bonifay.)

"I beg to differ... and I would trade you Ziggy Palffy for a hamburger today."



"I would add $30 million on top of that. Also, would you like to accompany me to a friend's truck party?"

Edited July 10, 2009 by Guest

[Frayed Knot]

FWIW, Francouer and the Braves have been going with 1-year (non-arb determined) contracts all along and he's currently playing for $3.375mil
As mentioned before, he'll be under Met control for the remainder of this season plus two more.

[Methead]

="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"] His career slugging percentage is lower than Jay Payton's... hell, it's lower than Juan Uribe's.

That line - that single line - just gave me an ulcer.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

="bmfc1"] August 29, 2005

The editorial staff at SI occasionally makes errors in judgement.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

="Ceetar"] ="Swan Swan H"] ] go ahead. tell me again how Tatis is a better player and should start and Murphy should go to AAA. Just further convince me you don't watch the game and watch Tatis do nothing of value. You don't get it, do you? Tatis is a disaster. The trade is mind boggling. Everything is Black and White. What I'm trying to say is that it's not that easy. Unless we're talking abut the Yankees, of course. Nothing is too extreme. Want to cherry-pick a game? How about April 29? Tatis was 3-4 with two runs and an RBI, a homer and a stolen base. Murphy was 1-3 with a sac bunt. Silly? Of course it is. Using one game to defend a position is like looking out the window once and saying the weather in this town sucks. I was using one game. How about Tatis' 11 GIDP, which is one of the reasons we were losing despite having the highest AVG in the majors, which i'm sure isn't the case anymore. Or batting a guy that's not hitting at all 4th or 5th, as Manuel did/does routinely. And April was the game you picked? was it because you couldn't find anything worthwhile since? He had that grand slam in may, but they lost that game. There is pretty much zero reason for Tatis to be a starting player on this team, injuries or no, and you could make a case he's not even worthy of the bench. (that's hard to do with Argenis still here though)

Tatis has hit into six more DPs (11-5). Murphy has made six more errors (7-1), and can't play 2B or SS. What else ya got?

[Guest Edgy DC]

]I was using one game.

Yeah, we got that. The point is you don't do that when more data is available, unless you're so fixated on your point that you're willing to distort the facts to support it at all costs.

Frankly, I like sticking with Murphy.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Murph versus Tatis, distorted perception, how much boggling can one trade engender... this thread got out of hand in a hurry.

(I think Swanny killed a guy with a trident.)

[Guest OlerudOwned]

Jeff Francoeur has had 4 seasons, including this one, with 300 or more plate appearances. He OBP'd .300 or higher in one of them. He's an abhorrent hitter and he's made no strides at improving.

The worst part is that I've had so much fun at his expense already. Now I'm sort of guilty.



(Not my work.)

[nymr83]

i dont have much to add, i'll just go on record as not liking it.

[metirish]

blog for the Atlanta Constitution might shed some light on Francouer, or not...

Francouer[/url:1x30hppv]


not surprisingly the fans their that responded to the blog think Francouer is the better player

[Guest gerrard00]

How long before the first nasty tabloid back page making fun of Frenchy's willingness to swing at anything?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

="metirish"]blog for the Atlanta Constitution might shed some light on Francouer, or not...

Yep, it does.

]He�s not a bad guy � on the contrary, he�s a fine fellow � but neither is he easy to coach. He�d been a success in every sport at every level but couldn�t master the adjustments every successful big-league hitter must make. It�s not that he didn�t try to change. He changed his swing several times. Trouble was, he couldn�t change himself. Francoeur is a baseball player with a football mentality, and that doesn�t cut it over the long haul. A baseball player must be measured in his approach. The same aggressiveness that made Francoeur one of the greatest high school football players this blessed state has ever seen... ultimately rendered him a substandard big-league hitter.

Oh, and 85% of the paper's readers appear to be behind the trade.

[Guest themetfairy]

I think I initially posted this in the wrong thread, but The Dugout[/url:oq70zs26] had some fun with this trade.

[dgwphotography]

="Swan Swan H":2elfj25m]Fire Manuel. Fire Omar. Play Murphy every day. Rinse. Repeat.[/quote:2elfj25m] I can get behind that sort of agenda (at least until Murphy shows he can't play everyday)

Willets Point Jul 11 2009 06:48 PM

Now the Mets have had every player in baseball history with Franco in their surname: John Franco Matt Franco Julio Franco Jeff Francoeur

Kong76 Jul 11 2009 06:56 PM

That will help me remember how to spell his name when Schaefer voting. Franco e u r

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 12 2009 10:12 AM

="Willets Point":qi4r3fkj]Now the Mets have had every player in baseball history with Franco in their surname: John Franco Matt Franco Julio Franco Jeff Francoeur[/quote:qi4r3fkj] Forgetting a few Franco-nas, no? Ashie62 Jul 12 2009 10:58 AM Murphy will not be a Mets starter next year..Frenchie will Ashie62 Jul 12 2009 11:05 AM Ryan Church was a part-time stiff..pleez...now Dump Muffy anf Fartman for Dunn and 1B is set for this year and next Nymr83 Jul 12 2009 11:49 AM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":3ajyn4wm] ="Willets Point":3ajyn4wm]Now the Mets have had every player in baseball history with Franco in their surname: John Franco Matt Franco Julio Franco Jeff Francoeur[/quote:3ajyn4wm] Forgetting a few Franco-nas, no?[/quote:3ajyn4wm] Terry Francona is the only one i can think of, but he counts, sorry mets DocTee Jul 12 2009 11:53 AM Tito Francona, too.

[Willets Point]

Now the Mets have had every player in baseball history with Franco in their surname:

John Franco
Matt Franco
Julio Franco
Jeff Francoeur

[Guest Kong76]

That will help me remember how to spell his name when Schaefer voting.

Franco e u r

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

="Willets Point":qi4r3fkj]Now the Mets have had every player in baseball history with Franco in their surname: John Franco Matt Franco Julio Franco Jeff Francoeur[/quote:qi4r3fkj] Forgetting a few Franco-nas, no?

Ashie62 Jul 12 2009 10:58 AM

Murphy will not be a Mets starter next year..Frenchie will

Ashie62 Jul 12 2009 11:05 AM

Ryan Church was a part-time stiff..pleez...now Dump Muffy anf Fartman for Dunn and 1B is set for this year and next

Nymr83 Jul 12 2009 11:49 AM

="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":3ajyn4wm] ="Willets Point":3ajyn4wm]Now the Mets have had every player in baseball history with Franco in their surname: John Franco Matt Franco Julio Franco Jeff Francoeur[/quote:3ajyn4wm] Forgetting a few Franco-nas, no?[/quote:3ajyn4wm] Terry Francona is the only one i can think of, but he counts, sorry mets DocTee Jul 12 2009 11:53 AM Tito Francona, too.

[ashie62]

Murphy will not be a Mets starter next year..Frenchie will

[ashie62]

Ryan Church was a part-time stiff..pleez...now Dump Muffy anf Fartman for Dunn and 1B is set for this year and next

[nymr83]

="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":3ajyn4wm] ="Willets Point":3ajyn4wm]Now the Mets have had every player in baseball history with Franco in their surname: John Franco Matt Franco Julio Franco Jeff Francoeur[/quote:3ajyn4wm] Forgetting a few Franco-nas, no?[/quote:3ajyn4wm] Terry Francona is the only one i can think of, but he counts, sorry mets DocTee Jul 12 2009 11:53 AM Tito Francona, too.

[DocTee]

Tito Francona, too.