IGT - 06/01/2009 - NY Mets @ Pittsburgh Pirates

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

I need a break. I'll be watching "Vacation" now.

[Fman99]

Not over yet. Capps has been shaky this year. Tatis leadoff single and the tying run is on deck.

[Gwreck]

Fuck you, Nyjer Morgan.

[nymr83]

Nyjer Morgan ROBS Castillo of a basehit

[Guest Edgy DC]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I need a break. I'll be watching "Vacation" now.

No. Learn to love the pain.

[Guest Mendoza Line]

G-Fafif wrote: Nyjer Morgan will do something insidious as well but look so sartorially splendid doing it that it will be hard to stay mad at him.

Yeah.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

This shouldn't happen against a good team. It should never happen against the Pirates.

[Piggiestomatoes]

"Bringing the bacon. Throwing some cheddar."

WTF, is he making a burger?

[nymr83]

wtf was that little jump by Morgan? i wish he'd dropped that

[Fman99]

Well that sucked.

I think it would be best for everyone if someone threw JJ Putz into a well a la Baby Jessica, sans rescue.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Well, that suckz.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Gwreck wrote: Fuck you, Nyjer Morgan.

Probably developing too late to do much at the MLB level, but what a gorgeous player.

Edited June 1, 2009 by Guest

[metirish]

Horrible loss , no side session is going to fix Putz , the guy must be injured.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

They say Putz' hands are in the wrong position. Unless they are around his throat, I agree.

[Benjamin Grimm]

It's deja vu all over again. Don't they know that this is the September game plan?

[metirish]

Jeez , Ron and carlin trying to sell us on the idea that Manuel brought Parnell in for the 6th so" the young man wouldn't feel a sense of entitlement " and that "I'm the 8th inning guy"...also Manuel doing that to let his veteran know that " hey your still my guy".........buuuuuuuuuuuullshiiiiiiiiiit

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

="Swan Swan H"]They say Putz' hands are in the wrong position. Unless they are around his throat, I agree.

Hands "in the wrong position." What does that mean?

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"] ="Swan Swan H"]They say Putz' hands are in the wrong position. Unless they are around his throat, I agree. Hands "in the wrong position." What does that mean?

maybe it's an homage to Pedro's favorite excuse from last year, that he was tipping his pitches.

[Guest Triple Dee]

I am so glad that I missed this travesty of a ballgame.

[Frayed Knot]

- while most of the blame for this one will come down (and deservedly so) on Putz, do note that we also got no-hit from the 4th inning through Tatis's bloop single in the 9th.
Those backup lineups will only take you so far.

- and also, why, with 0 outs and a 2-run lead in the top of the 8th, are we wasting one of our 6 remaining outs by bunting Wright's lead-off walk over to 2nd? ... especially when (nice night for Valdez aside) you're bunting w/Reed (2 2Bs himself) into two really weak hitters in Valdez & Schneider.
I missed a big chunk of the middle of this game (settling in just in time for the bottom of the 8th) so I can't say I was pissed off about it at the time ... but I am now.

[nymr83]

="Frayed Knot"] - and also, why, with 0 outs and a 2-run lead in the top of the 8th, are we wasting one of our 6 remaining outs by bunting Wright's lead-off walk over to 2nd? ... especially when (nice night for Valdez aside) you're bunting w/Reed (2 2Bs himself) into two really weak hitters in Valdez & Schneider.

Bunting, always a bad decision. (need a picture of those Guiness idiots)

[Guest Edgy DC]

I was stomping an insect infestation in my house. I tuned in just in time for the bunt, and it made me feel like a loser.

That and the insects.

[Frayed Knot]

One could argue, I suppose, that he did bring in the effective mid-relief guy (Parnell) at the time when 'the real save' might occur: 6th inn, 2-on/2-out, 2-run lead and he got out of it (IF single - K).

But if that truly was 'out of the box thinking' then it got steamrolled right afterward when he swapped Parnell out before the next inning (even though he wasn't PH'd for) in favor of Feliciano on account of 4 of the next 5 hitters being LH-swingers. How 'bout letting Parnell fail first - or even look like he might - and then make the switch when it's necessary? Instead, he made the 'by the book' move ahead of time which left him with less to fall back on when one of the later relievers does start to fall apart.

[nymr83]

Parnell was certainly brought in at the right time (you could even argue that K-rod, as your "best reliever", belongs in the game there), but he should have been left in for the 8th.
The existence of "saves" as a stat that gets counted and emphasized has had a very negative effect on bullpen usage in that it has negated what you'd think would be common sense principles like "use your best guy in what is likely to be the toughest spot" and "don't remove pitchers who are pitching well"

[Guest Edgy DC]

With a two-run lead, yeah, I'd at least let Bobby give up a baserunner.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Other than the fact that Putz has been struggliong and was possibly overworked and underconfident, I didn't have a problem with how Jerry played it necessarily.

Parnell worked his ass off to get a very big K and you don't wanna blow him out either. Jerry even let Feliciano start the 8th. I would think had JJ begun the hit parade one batter earlier that question would have been asked as well.

This was all about Putz not getting done what just about any ML releiever ought to have been able to get done.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

Nymr83 wrote: Parnell was certainly brought in at the right time (you could even argue that K-rod, as your "best reliever", belongs in the game there), but he should have been left in for the 8th.

I agree in concept that Parnell could have gone longer, but he was in the sixth, not the seventh. The seventh set up really well for Feliciano with two lefties, and he got through it 1-2-3.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Parnell, though, had thrown only 11 pitches. And Stokes was another option in the eighth, as was (ta-da!) Rodriguez.

I really just don't want Putz in there with a lead of less than four or a defecit of less than three. I want him on the bottom rung climbiing while alligators snap at his heels.

[Fman99]

Swan Swan H wrote: ="Nymr83"]Parnell was certainly brought in at the right time (you could even argue that K-rod, as your "best reliever", belongs in the game there), but he should have been left in for the 8th. I agree in concept that Parnell could have gone longer, but he was in the sixth, not the seventh. The seventh set up really well for Feliciano with two lefties, and he got through it 1-2-3.

I'd love to see Stokes get his shot. He's also a righty that can throw gas, but he's got much better 2009 (and 2008 for that matter) numbers.

Leaves Takahashi as a 2nd lefty/swingman and Putz where he belongs -- out in a field somewhere, being fucked by ten goats, and wondering why a bunch of smart assed Mets forum dorks hate him so much. Tim Redding can keep him company.

[metirish]

' sorry guys , but I have trouble getting it up for the seventh or eight innings'