Carlos Delgado Surgery

[duan]

might be a whole lot better an option, in that he's been known to play the OF badly rather then terribly. And you can't see the Orioles expecting too much when he's on $8 million.

[ashie62]

10 weeks in metspeak..I hesitate to say this, but Nick Johnson anyone, he crushes the Mets

[Guest Edgy DC]

About four people have already invoked Johnson.

[Frayed Knot]

="Ashie62":1y5sbx17]10 weeks in metspeak..I hesitate to say this, but Nick Johnson anyone, [u:1y5sbx17]he crushes the Mets[/u:1y5sbx17][/quote:1y5sbx17] If by "crushes" you mean, 'hits worse than usual' well then, sure. .248/.380/.431 vs Mets (153 ABs) .273/.398/.457 overall career

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 09:09 AM

="Edgy DC":nctew171]About four people have already invoked Johnson.[/quote:nctew171] I think Irish invoked Johnson in the David Wright thread. metirish May 20 2009 09:20 AM ="Swan Swan H":3dc1g4jv] ="Edgy DC":3dc1g4jv]About four people have already invoked Johnson.[/quote:3dc1g4jv] I think Irish invoked Johnson in the David Wright thread.[/quote:3dc1g4jv] LOL Has Helton been mentioned yet? , it's an annual rite of passage that he does. Edgy DC May 20 2009 09:27 AM When Darryl Strawberry went down in 1985, did everybody try to imagine trades for Dave Parker or Glenn Wilson or Gary Ward? LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 20 2009 11:23 AM ="Edgy DC":1t1tj5go]When Darryl Strawberry went down in 1985, did everybody try to imagine trades for Dave Parker or Glenn Wilson or Gary Ward?[/quote:1t1tj5go] Strawberry wasn't 36-going-on-37, and was signed for another 4 years. (Also, the fanbase/media corps wasn't quite as touchy, no?) Edgy DC May 20 2009 11:31 AM On one hand, I'm pretty sure two more weeks of Darryl Strawberry being available could have been the difference in 1985. On the other hand, I still wish folks would cool it with trade talk and the Mets would put Murphy and Tatis at first and re-stock at AAA. metsguyinmichigan May 20 2009 12:02 PM Nick Johnson has Yankee taint. Ick. So does Redding, but he logged more innings in his first start with us than he did in his entire Yankee career. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 20 2009 02:08 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":2ujf6l3z]So does Redding, but he logged more innings in his first start with us than he did in his entire Yankee career.[/quote:2ujf6l3z] ZZ Tim has the additional Yankee taint of growing up a Rochester MFY fan. Benjamin Grimm May 20 2009 02:13 PM I don't see the point of worrying too much about "taint." (I was really surprised about how so many Mets fans couldn't forgive Tom Glavine for having once been a Brave. I could see not liking a guy who's proven to be a jerk or a thug. I'm glad Roger Clemens never became a Met, and I hope that Michael Vick never does. (That would be pretty darn unlikely, anyway.) But to not want a guy just because he was once a Yankee or a Brave or a Phillie just doesn't make sense to me. Centerfield May 20 2009 02:56 PM joelmon > CPF posters LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 22 2009 01:01 PM Pertinent to our conversation in terms of market-gauging, Gammons on trade rumors regarding a few potential trade targets: ]The Nats have few chips to move. Nick Johnson and Austin Kearns should get action, although there has been little thus far. Boston wants to wait on David Ortiz and tabled a proposal of Johnson for Manny Delcarmen. and ]Indians GM Mark Shapiro says he spends "40 percent of my time denying false reports." ... Yes, with Jhonny Peralta's move to third base, he would deal Mark DeRosa for major league-ready pitching but otherwise will hold onto DeRosa into June. Something like Parnell for Johnson seems about right. Would you pull that trigger? And DeRosa almost certainly would require at least Jon Niese (along with something-- or somethings-- like Kunz or Gee as a deal-sweetener). metirish May 22 2009 01:11 PM I'd pull the trigger on Johnson, what would Boston do with Johnson? smg58 May 22 2009 01:52 PM The Indians got DeRosa for three prospects not on their top-20 list. If they get somebody like Niese or more than that, they will have gotten a very nice return on their investment -- especially since DeRosa has paid rather tepid dividends up to this point. My interest in Johnson depends on Delgado's status. Although, if Delgado is back before the deadline, we would be in a position to trade one of them and get back at least the equivalent of what we first gave up. (Assuming we don't overpay, that is.) But the combination of Murphy at first and Sheffield, Beltran, and Church in the outfield (with Tatis playing somewhere against lefties) isn't so bad that I'd compromise our bullpen. Frayed Knot May 22 2009 02:37 PM Remember that whatever trade goes down will be only for [u:21jaadak]4 months of Nick Johnson[/u:21jaadak] (and that's only if he stays healthy). We'd have to either extend him or bid on the open market for him after that. Not sure how baseball people would view Parnell or Neise in comparison to Delcarman Ashie62 May 22 2009 03:38 PM Nick Johnson is worth lower level prospects at best. Would never trade Parnell for a guy who could easily miss 2 months breaking his wrist falling out of bed.. Kearns does nothing for me. An expensive Michael Young was moved to 3rd and peddled in the off season. Maybe Texas would take Castillo as part of something.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

="Edgy DC":nctew171]About four people have already invoked Johnson.[/quote:nctew171] I think Irish invoked Johnson in the David Wright thread.

metirish May 20 2009 09:20 AM

="Swan Swan H":3dc1g4jv] ="Edgy DC":3dc1g4jv]About four people have already invoked Johnson.[/quote:3dc1g4jv] I think Irish invoked Johnson in the David Wright thread.[/quote:3dc1g4jv] LOL Has Helton been mentioned yet? , it's an annual rite of passage that he does. Edgy DC May 20 2009 09:27 AM When Darryl Strawberry went down in 1985, did everybody try to imagine trades for Dave Parker or Glenn Wilson or Gary Ward? LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 20 2009 11:23 AM ="Edgy DC":1t1tj5go]When Darryl Strawberry went down in 1985, did everybody try to imagine trades for Dave Parker or Glenn Wilson or Gary Ward?[/quote:1t1tj5go] Strawberry wasn't 36-going-on-37, and was signed for another 4 years. (Also, the fanbase/media corps wasn't quite as touchy, no?) Edgy DC May 20 2009 11:31 AM On one hand, I'm pretty sure two more weeks of Darryl Strawberry being available could have been the difference in 1985. On the other hand, I still wish folks would cool it with trade talk and the Mets would put Murphy and Tatis at first and re-stock at AAA. metsguyinmichigan May 20 2009 12:02 PM Nick Johnson has Yankee taint. Ick. So does Redding, but he logged more innings in his first start with us than he did in his entire Yankee career. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 20 2009 02:08 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":2ujf6l3z]So does Redding, but he logged more innings in his first start with us than he did in his entire Yankee career.[/quote:2ujf6l3z] ZZ Tim has the additional Yankee taint of growing up a Rochester MFY fan. Benjamin Grimm May 20 2009 02:13 PM I don't see the point of worrying too much about "taint." (I was really surprised about how so many Mets fans couldn't forgive Tom Glavine for having once been a Brave. I could see not liking a guy who's proven to be a jerk or a thug. I'm glad Roger Clemens never became a Met, and I hope that Michael Vick never does. (That would be pretty darn unlikely, anyway.) But to not want a guy just because he was once a Yankee or a Brave or a Phillie just doesn't make sense to me. Centerfield May 20 2009 02:56 PM joelmon > CPF posters LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 22 2009 01:01 PM Pertinent to our conversation in terms of market-gauging, Gammons on trade rumors regarding a few potential trade targets: ]The Nats have few chips to move. Nick Johnson and Austin Kearns should get action, although there has been little thus far. Boston wants to wait on David Ortiz and tabled a proposal of Johnson for Manny Delcarmen. and ]Indians GM Mark Shapiro says he spends "40 percent of my time denying false reports." ... Yes, with Jhonny Peralta's move to third base, he would deal Mark DeRosa for major league-ready pitching but otherwise will hold onto DeRosa into June. Something like Parnell for Johnson seems about right. Would you pull that trigger? And DeRosa almost certainly would require at least Jon Niese (along with something-- or somethings-- like Kunz or Gee as a deal-sweetener). metirish May 22 2009 01:11 PM I'd pull the trigger on Johnson, what would Boston do with Johnson? smg58 May 22 2009 01:52 PM The Indians got DeRosa for three prospects not on their top-20 list. If they get somebody like Niese or more than that, they will have gotten a very nice return on their investment -- especially since DeRosa has paid rather tepid dividends up to this point. My interest in Johnson depends on Delgado's status. Although, if Delgado is back before the deadline, we would be in a position to trade one of them and get back at least the equivalent of what we first gave up. (Assuming we don't overpay, that is.) But the combination of Murphy at first and Sheffield, Beltran, and Church in the outfield (with Tatis playing somewhere against lefties) isn't so bad that I'd compromise our bullpen. Frayed Knot May 22 2009 02:37 PM Remember that whatever trade goes down will be only for [u:21jaadak]4 months of Nick Johnson[/u:21jaadak] (and that's only if he stays healthy). We'd have to either extend him or bid on the open market for him after that. Not sure how baseball people would view Parnell or Neise in comparison to Delcarman Ashie62 May 22 2009 03:38 PM Nick Johnson is worth lower level prospects at best. Would never trade Parnell for a guy who could easily miss 2 months breaking his wrist falling out of bed.. Kearns does nothing for me. An expensive Michael Young was moved to 3rd and peddled in the off season. Maybe Texas would take Castillo as part of something.

[metirish]

="Swan Swan H":3dc1g4jv] ="Edgy DC":3dc1g4jv]About four people have already invoked Johnson.[/quote:3dc1g4jv] I think Irish invoked Johnson in the David Wright thread.[/quote:3dc1g4jv] LOL Has Helton been mentioned yet? , it's an annual rite of passage that he does. Edgy DC May 20 2009 09:27 AM When Darryl Strawberry went down in 1985, did everybody try to imagine trades for Dave Parker or Glenn Wilson or Gary Ward? LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 20 2009 11:23 AM ="Edgy DC":1t1tj5go]When Darryl Strawberry went down in 1985, did everybody try to imagine trades for Dave Parker or Glenn Wilson or Gary Ward?[/quote:1t1tj5go] Strawberry wasn't 36-going-on-37, and was signed for another 4 years. (Also, the fanbase/media corps wasn't quite as touchy, no?) Edgy DC May 20 2009 11:31 AM On one hand, I'm pretty sure two more weeks of Darryl Strawberry being available could have been the difference in 1985. On the other hand, I still wish folks would cool it with trade talk and the Mets would put Murphy and Tatis at first and re-stock at AAA. metsguyinmichigan May 20 2009 12:02 PM Nick Johnson has Yankee taint. Ick. So does Redding, but he logged more innings in his first start with us than he did in his entire Yankee career. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 20 2009 02:08 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":2ujf6l3z]So does Redding, but he logged more innings in his first start with us than he did in his entire Yankee career.[/quote:2ujf6l3z] ZZ Tim has the additional Yankee taint of growing up a Rochester MFY fan. Benjamin Grimm May 20 2009 02:13 PM I don't see the point of worrying too much about "taint." (I was really surprised about how so many Mets fans couldn't forgive Tom Glavine for having once been a Brave. I could see not liking a guy who's proven to be a jerk or a thug. I'm glad Roger Clemens never became a Met, and I hope that Michael Vick never does. (That would be pretty darn unlikely, anyway.) But to not want a guy just because he was once a Yankee or a Brave or a Phillie just doesn't make sense to me. Centerfield May 20 2009 02:56 PM joelmon > CPF posters LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 22 2009 01:01 PM Pertinent to our conversation in terms of market-gauging, Gammons on trade rumors regarding a few potential trade targets: ]The Nats have few chips to move. Nick Johnson and Austin Kearns should get action, although there has been little thus far. Boston wants to wait on David Ortiz and tabled a proposal of Johnson for Manny Delcarmen. and ]Indians GM Mark Shapiro says he spends "40 percent of my time denying false reports." ... Yes, with Jhonny Peralta's move to third base, he would deal Mark DeRosa for major league-ready pitching but otherwise will hold onto DeRosa into June. Something like Parnell for Johnson seems about right. Would you pull that trigger? And DeRosa almost certainly would require at least Jon Niese (along with something-- or somethings-- like Kunz or Gee as a deal-sweetener). metirish May 22 2009 01:11 PM I'd pull the trigger on Johnson, what would Boston do with Johnson? smg58 May 22 2009 01:52 PM The Indians got DeRosa for three prospects not on their top-20 list. If they get somebody like Niese or more than that, they will have gotten a very nice return on their investment -- especially since DeRosa has paid rather tepid dividends up to this point. My interest in Johnson depends on Delgado's status. Although, if Delgado is back before the deadline, we would be in a position to trade one of them and get back at least the equivalent of what we first gave up. (Assuming we don't overpay, that is.) But the combination of Murphy at first and Sheffield, Beltran, and Church in the outfield (with Tatis playing somewhere against lefties) isn't so bad that I'd compromise our bullpen. Frayed Knot May 22 2009 02:37 PM Remember that whatever trade goes down will be only for [u:21jaadak]4 months of Nick Johnson[/u:21jaadak] (and that's only if he stays healthy). We'd have to either extend him or bid on the open market for him after that. Not sure how baseball people would view Parnell or Neise in comparison to Delcarman Ashie62 May 22 2009 03:38 PM Nick Johnson is worth lower level prospects at best. Would never trade Parnell for a guy who could easily miss 2 months breaking his wrist falling out of bed.. Kearns does nothing for me. An expensive Michael Young was moved to 3rd and peddled in the off season. Maybe Texas would take Castillo as part of something.

[Guest Edgy DC]

When Darryl Strawberry went down in 1985, did everybody try to imagine trades for Dave Parker or Glenn Wilson or Gary Ward?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

="Edgy DC":1t1tj5go]When Darryl Strawberry went down in 1985, did everybody try to imagine trades for Dave Parker or Glenn Wilson or Gary Ward?[/quote:1t1tj5go] Strawberry wasn't 36-going-on-37, and was signed for another 4 years. (Also, the fanbase/media corps wasn't quite as touchy, no?)

Edgy DC May 20 2009 11:31 AM

On one hand, I'm pretty sure two more weeks of Darryl Strawberry being available could have been the difference in 1985. On the other hand, I still wish folks would cool it with trade talk and the Mets would put Murphy and Tatis at first and re-stock at AAA.

metsguyinmichigan May 20 2009 12:02 PM

Nick Johnson has Yankee taint. Ick. So does Redding, but he logged more innings in his first start with us than he did in his entire Yankee career.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 20 2009 02:08 PM

="metsguyinmichigan":2ujf6l3z]So does Redding, but he logged more innings in his first start with us than he did in his entire Yankee career.[/quote:2ujf6l3z] ZZ Tim has the additional Yankee taint of growing up a Rochester MFY fan. Benjamin Grimm May 20 2009 02:13 PM I don't see the point of worrying too much about "taint." (I was really surprised about how so many Mets fans couldn't forgive Tom Glavine for having once been a Brave. I could see not liking a guy who's proven to be a jerk or a thug. I'm glad Roger Clemens never became a Met, and I hope that Michael Vick never does. (That would be pretty darn unlikely, anyway.) But to not want a guy just because he was once a Yankee or a Brave or a Phillie just doesn't make sense to me. Centerfield May 20 2009 02:56 PM joelmon > CPF posters LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 22 2009 01:01 PM Pertinent to our conversation in terms of market-gauging, Gammons on trade rumors regarding a few potential trade targets: ]The Nats have few chips to move. Nick Johnson and Austin Kearns should get action, although there has been little thus far. Boston wants to wait on David Ortiz and tabled a proposal of Johnson for Manny Delcarmen. and ]Indians GM Mark Shapiro says he spends "40 percent of my time denying false reports." ... Yes, with Jhonny Peralta's move to third base, he would deal Mark DeRosa for major league-ready pitching but otherwise will hold onto DeRosa into June. Something like Parnell for Johnson seems about right. Would you pull that trigger? And DeRosa almost certainly would require at least Jon Niese (along with something-- or somethings-- like Kunz or Gee as a deal-sweetener). metirish May 22 2009 01:11 PM I'd pull the trigger on Johnson, what would Boston do with Johnson? smg58 May 22 2009 01:52 PM The Indians got DeRosa for three prospects not on their top-20 list. If they get somebody like Niese or more than that, they will have gotten a very nice return on their investment -- especially since DeRosa has paid rather tepid dividends up to this point. My interest in Johnson depends on Delgado's status. Although, if Delgado is back before the deadline, we would be in a position to trade one of them and get back at least the equivalent of what we first gave up. (Assuming we don't overpay, that is.) But the combination of Murphy at first and Sheffield, Beltran, and Church in the outfield (with Tatis playing somewhere against lefties) isn't so bad that I'd compromise our bullpen. Frayed Knot May 22 2009 02:37 PM Remember that whatever trade goes down will be only for [u:21jaadak]4 months of Nick Johnson[/u:21jaadak] (and that's only if he stays healthy). We'd have to either extend him or bid on the open market for him after that. Not sure how baseball people would view Parnell or Neise in comparison to Delcarman Ashie62 May 22 2009 03:38 PM Nick Johnson is worth lower level prospects at best. Would never trade Parnell for a guy who could easily miss 2 months breaking his wrist falling out of bed.. Kearns does nothing for me. An expensive Michael Young was moved to 3rd and peddled in the off season. Maybe Texas would take Castillo as part of something.

[Guest Edgy DC]

On one hand, I'm pretty sure two more weeks of Darryl Strawberry being available could have been the difference in 1985.

On the other hand, I still wish folks would cool it with trade talk and the Mets would put Murphy and Tatis at first and re-stock at AAA.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Nick Johnson has Yankee taint. Ick.

So does Redding, but he logged more innings in his first start with us than he did in his entire Yankee career.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

="metsguyinmichigan":2ujf6l3z]So does Redding, but he logged more innings in his first start with us than he did in his entire Yankee career.[/quote:2ujf6l3z] ZZ Tim has the additional Yankee taint of growing up a Rochester MFY fan.

Benjamin Grimm May 20 2009 02:13 PM

I don't see the point of worrying too much about "taint." (I was really surprised about how so many Mets fans couldn't forgive Tom Glavine for having once been a Brave. I could see not liking a guy who's proven to be a jerk or a thug. I'm glad Roger Clemens never became a Met, and I hope that Michael Vick never does. (That would be pretty darn unlikely, anyway.) But to not want a guy just because he was once a Yankee or a Brave or a Phillie just doesn't make sense to me.

Centerfield May 20 2009 02:56 PM

joelmon > CPF posters

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 22 2009 01:01 PM

Pertinent to our conversation in terms of market-gauging, Gammons on trade rumors regarding a few potential trade targets: ]The Nats have few chips to move. Nick Johnson and Austin Kearns should get action, although there has been little thus far. Boston wants to wait on David Ortiz and tabled a proposal of Johnson for Manny Delcarmen. and ]Indians GM Mark Shapiro says he spends "40 percent of my time denying false reports." ... Yes, with Jhonny Peralta's move to third base, he would deal Mark DeRosa for major league-ready pitching but otherwise will hold onto DeRosa into June. Something like Parnell for Johnson seems about right. Would you pull that trigger? And DeRosa almost certainly would require at least Jon Niese (along with something-- or somethings-- like Kunz or Gee as a deal-sweetener).

metirish May 22 2009 01:11 PM

I'd pull the trigger on Johnson, what would Boston do with Johnson?

smg58 May 22 2009 01:52 PM

The Indians got DeRosa for three prospects not on their top-20 list. If they get somebody like Niese or more than that, they will have gotten a very nice return on their investment -- especially since DeRosa has paid rather tepid dividends up to this point. My interest in Johnson depends on Delgado's status. Although, if Delgado is back before the deadline, we would be in a position to trade one of them and get back at least the equivalent of what we first gave up. (Assuming we don't overpay, that is.) But the combination of Murphy at first and Sheffield, Beltran, and Church in the outfield (with Tatis playing somewhere against lefties) isn't so bad that I'd compromise our bullpen.

Frayed Knot May 22 2009 02:37 PM

Remember that whatever trade goes down will be only for [u:21jaadak]4 months of Nick Johnson[/u:21jaadak] (and that's only if he stays healthy). We'd have to either extend him or bid on the open market for him after that. Not sure how baseball people would view Parnell or Neise in comparison to Delcarman

Ashie62 May 22 2009 03:38 PM

Nick Johnson is worth lower level prospects at best. Would never trade Parnell for a guy who could easily miss 2 months breaking his wrist falling out of bed.. Kearns does nothing for me. An expensive Michael Young was moved to 3rd and peddled in the off season. Maybe Texas would take Castillo as part of something.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I don't see the point of worrying too much about "taint." (I was really surprised about how so many Mets fans couldn't forgive Tom Glavine for having once been a Brave.

I could see not liking a guy who's proven to be a jerk or a thug. I'm glad Roger Clemens never became a Met, and I hope that Michael Vick never does. (That would be pretty darn unlikely, anyway.)

But to not want a guy just because he was once a Yankee or a Brave or a Phillie just doesn't make sense to me.

[Centerfield]

joelmon > CPF posters

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Pertinent to our conversation in terms of market-gauging, Gammons on trade rumors regarding a few potential trade targets:

]The Nats have few chips to move. Nick Johnson and Austin Kearns should get action, although there has been little thus far. Boston wants to wait on David Ortiz and tabled a proposal of Johnson for Manny Delcarmen.

and

]Indians GM Mark Shapiro says he spends "40 percent of my time denying false reports." ... Yes, with Jhonny Peralta's move to third base, he would deal Mark DeRosa for major league-ready pitching but otherwise will hold onto DeRosa into June.

Something like Parnell for Johnson seems about right. Would you pull that trigger?

And DeRosa almost certainly would require at least Jon Niese (along with something-- or somethings-- like Kunz or Gee as a deal-sweetener).

[metirish]

I'd pull the trigger on Johnson, what would Boston do with Johnson?

[smg58]

The Indians got DeRosa for three prospects not on their top-20 list. If they get somebody like Niese or more than that, they will have gotten a very nice return on their investment -- especially since DeRosa has paid rather tepid dividends up to this point.

My interest in Johnson depends on Delgado's status. Although, if Delgado is back before the deadline, we would be in a position to trade one of them and get back at least the equivalent of what we first gave up. (Assuming we don't overpay, that is.) But the combination of Murphy at first and Sheffield, Beltran, and Church in the outfield (with Tatis playing somewhere against lefties) isn't so bad that I'd compromise our bullpen.

[Frayed Knot]

Remember that whatever trade goes down will be only for [u:21jaadak]4 months of Nick Johnson[/u:21jaadak] (and that's only if he stays healthy). We'd have to either extend him or bid on the open market for him after that.

Not sure how baseball people would view Parnell or Neise in comparison to Delcarman

[ashie62]

Nick Johnson is worth lower level prospects at best. Would never trade Parnell for a guy who could easily miss 2 months breaking his wrist falling out of bed..

Kearns does nothing for me. An expensive Michael Young
was moved to 3rd and peddled in the off season. Maybe Texas would take Castillo as part of something.