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[Guest AG/DC]

Anybody who had given up on Easley and would've been fine to release him this year, get your hands up. Way up so we can see 'em.

[stevejrogers]

Always quick with the Met pom-poms, huh Edgy?

[Guest AG/DC]

No. Don't know what you mean. Thanks for trying to emasculate me, though.

[nymr83]

where are the "pom poms"? he's pointing out that many on this board wrote Easley off before he got hot.

[Frayed Knot]

="AG/DC"]Anybody who had given up on **Delgado** and would've been fine to release him this year, get your hands up. Way up so we can see 'em.

[Guest AG/DC]

Steve isn't the first who wanted to see me in my cheerleader uniform.

[metirish]

I should start the Delgado thread.


Hands raised on Easley.

[soupcan]

AG/DC wrote: Anybody who had given up on Easley and would've been fine to release him this year, get your hands up. Way up so we can see 'em.

I guess there were some but I don't know why.

He had some big hits last year and was really productive until that ugly ankle injury.

[stevejrogers]

Nymr83 wrote: where are the "pom poms"? he's pointing out that many on this board wrote Easley off before he got hot.

One hot streak does not make everyone who wrote him off as being wrong. And Edgy does tend to be one of those "cheer loudly and proudly even when the team is horrid" types that likes to prove how "right" they were when things turn around.

[Zvon]

SteveJRogers wrote: one of those "cheer loudly and proudly even when the team is horrid" types

Hey..thats me.
Thats what they call "a fan".

[soupcan]

="SteveJRogers"]And Edgy does tend to be one of those "cheer loudly and proudly even when the team is horrid" types that likes to prove how "right" they were when things turn around.

But if/when the team does turn it around doesn't that mean that person was right?

[nymr83]

steve is just a bitter yankee fan in 3rd place trying to make met fans feel bad

[stevejrogers]

Zvon wrote: ="SteveJRogers"] one of those "cheer loudly and proudly even when the team is horrid" types Hey..thats me. Thats what they call "a fan".

Yeah but it means you are not being a realist when it comes to the fortunes of your team.

[Guest AG/DC]

SteveJRogers wrote: ="Nymr83"]where are the "pom poms"? he's pointing out that many on this board wrote Easley off before he got hot. One hot streak does not make everyone who wrote him off as being wrong. And Edgy does tend to be one of those "cheer loudly and proudly even when the team is horrid" types that likes to prove how "right" they were when things turn around.

Steve, put yourself in a box. I ain't goin'.

[stevejrogers]

="soupcan"] ="SteveJRogers"]And Edgy does tend to be one of those "cheer loudly and proudly even when the team is horrid" types that likes to prove how "right" they were when things turn around. But if/when the team does turn it around doesn't that mean that person was right?

No it means that every once in a while a blind acorn finds the nut.

If a team or a player stinks and someone keeps banging the drums by saying "no, its NOT a slump" despite no logical evidence to the contrary, then yeah that does not make the person right.

[nymr83]

]No it means that every once in a while a blind acorn finds the nut

where do i find a sighted acorn?

[soupcan]

But if the guy/team come out of the slump and goes on to be productive then that person was right.

You may have pooh-poohed them during the slump saying they were being blinded by loyalty, but the ultimate positive result says that you were the one not being realistic.

[Frayed Knot]

If a team or a player stinks and someone keeps banging the drums by saying "no, its NOT a slump" despite no logical evidence to the contrary, then yeah that does not make the person right = zero sense

[stevejrogers]

="Nymr83"] ]No it means that every once in a while a blind acorn finds the nut where do i find a sighted acorn?

Blind squirrel finds an acorn I mean.

[Guest AG/DC]

="SteveJRogers"] ="soupcan"] ="SteveJRogers"]And Edgy does tend to be one of those "cheer loudly and proudly even when the team is horrid" types that likes to prove how "right" they were when things turn around. But if/when the team does turn it around doesn't that mean that person was right? No it means that every once in a while a blind acorn finds the nut. If a team or a player stinks and someone keeps banging the drums by saying "no, its NOT a slump" despite no logical evidence to the contrary, then yeah that does not make the person right.

Steve, for your own sake, get sober.

For my sake, shut up.

[Frayed Knot]

One good thing about the mini-resurgence from Delgado is that Joe Badabingo "boldly" bet so heavily against it.

Following his 9-RBI game vs NYY, JB went out on a limb to predict he wouldn't get 9 more over the next 20 games.
So not only is that not not a very bold prediction in the first place (9 in 20 isn't that bad a pace) but he'll probably lose it anyway. Delgado's 2 tonight give him 8 in the 17 games since.

[Guest AG/DC]

Steve, I take back the "shut up" part. Sorry.

Just take it easy and re-read your words for clarity before ripping me.

[Zvon]

SteveJRogers wrote: ="Zvon"] SteveJRogers wrote: one of those "cheer loudly and proudly even when the team is horrid" types Hey..thats me. Thats what they call "a fan". Yeah but it means you are not being a realist when it comes to the fortunes of your team.

Realistically, if that was the case I would not be saying they are not horrid.
I'd still be loudly and proudly cheering them.
Positively for the most part.
They are my team come what may.

Ive been a Met fan for a loooong looong time Steve, and I have suffered thru many horrid teams and seasons.
So it goes.
If they are wearing a Met uniform, I'm cheering em on.
Might feel the need to boo here and there.
Even that I'll do proudly.

I love a winning team but thats not the reason I am a Met fan.
Needing your team to win is a Yankee fan mindset.

I just ask my team to play the game.

[Guest themetfairy]

Zvon - I love you, man!

[Valadius]

Steve, you're supposed to root for your team through good times and bad. That's what being a fan is. The way you're advocating is the way of the Yankee Fan.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

="Frayed Knot"] ="AG/DC"]Anybody who had given up on **Delgado** and would've been fine to release him this year, get your hands up. Way up so we can see 'em.

I confess. And I was wrong. Happily.

[seawolf17]

Hands up on Easley and Delgado, but this is the old "you're never as good as you are when you're winning, and you're never as bad as you are when you're losing" thing.

That said, I'm enjoying the ride.

[Guest Vince Coleman Firecracker]

Hand way up on Delgado, not so much Easley; although I didn't think either of them would ever be playing like this again. Delgado's on pace to repeat his 2007 performance, but a league-wide downturn in offense transforms his .330 OBP/.450 SLG from a 103 OPS+ to a 107. On top of that, we can reasonably expect his results to improve in the second half: his 22.1% line drive rate (his highest since 2005) has only resulted in a .271 BABiP, with Lady Luck taking away about 7% of his hits. While he'll never have another year like 2000 again (not many will), he could easily wind up with a year like 1996 or 97, which is more than was I hoping for in spring training.

[Guest AG/DC]

seawolf17 wrote: Hands up on Easley and Delgado, but this is the old "you're never as good as you are when you're winning, and you're never as bad as you are when you're losing" thing. That said, I'm enjoying the ride.

I'mnot saying Easley is generally as good as he's been the last two (or three??) weeks, only that releasing him would have most likely kept us from enjoying what goodness there was.

On Delgado, I always felt he'd be pretty much as good as last year, health permitting. Yeah, he's in decline, but he took two steps backward last year, so I thought a year stabilizing his decline was most likely.

[Frayed Knot]

And my only point in bringing Delgado up wasn't to 'out' those who trashed him before but merely to show how the 'addition-by-subtraction' route usually isn't as obvious as it sometimes seems and that the answer to the question; 'Can we do any worse?' is quite often, "Yes".