Peterson, Nieto: Jobless Americans?

[Mex17]

The Wilpons are definitely a concern to me. You can deal with bad GMs, bad managers, and bad teams. Those are all temporary. Bad owners are really, really hard to shake off.

[batmagadanleadoff]

G-Fafif wrote: The word "shoddy" springs to mind in all this, and it's not the first time ownership has inspired it....

You left out the hideous black uniforms.

[metirish]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: He put that tilde on the back of his uniform when it was totally unnecessary! Fire his ass! I remember seeing an article this spring where the org was "confident" in his ability to be the first base coach.

I've yet to see Tom have a player tag up and send him to second unnecessarily , no idea why they are firing him , why not fire Conti. I've noticed a bunch of players are carrying injuries ,I'd fire Ray Ramirez for that.


SC =10000

[Gwreck]

I wonder if they keep Conti around to keep Pedro happy.

SC = Very low

[Guest AG/DC]

Go team-by team and ask yourself if there's been a management soap opera in recent years. Let's go down the East Coast

Toronto: Yup. A manager getting caught faking Vietnam Veteran status, getting management's support through the off-season, and then getting canned when spring training starts and the press gets to grill him first hand.

A terrible 2004 left them in a bad position regarding John Gibbons after committing to him so much mid-season, so they fired his pitching and first base coach. First base coach? What did he not pat guys on the butt correctly. Help them with their gloves.

Gibbons has subsequently got in a fistfight with one player and threatened to beat up another who publickly lobbied against him.

Boston: The whole Epstein soap opera was epic.

Yankees: A wonderful soap in the years leading up to the Torre era, and a nice sequel in the seasons since 2000.

Philly: Christ. Larry Bowa pissed off a different star every week. He undermined the owners with his combatitiveness and the owners undemined him with their frugalness. How about this quote.

".. A helluva coach. A great field manager. God, what a dickhead. I thought he was the biggest asshole in the United States of America. Of course, there are still days when I think that, but only some days. Not every day like before. Oh yeah, one more thing. The best thing that ever happened to me in my career was him becoming my manager" - John Kruk in

I Ain't An Athlete Lady

....

Gold-plated stars like Curt Schilling and Scott Rolen have begged out of this franchise. In 2002, Rolen turned down seven years/$90 million and 10 years/$140 million. At the time, the Phils had the fourth largest market but were consistently in the bottom half of payrolls.

Pittsburgh: don't get me started.

Baltimore: Pittsburgh with money.

Washington: there's a reason they're here and not in Montreal.

Atlanta: The picture of management stability over the last 16 years, with no sign of internal dissent, despite historically having a meddling owner and just missing so many championhsips.

Florida: Manager and owner almost went to fists on the field.

Tampa Bay: A long record of ineptitude, but I can't document public dysfunction. That may be because for a long time nobody has cared to report what goes on behind the scenes for the Rays.

That's eight out of ten EST teams hosting soap operas.

[metirish]

I thought about that , Gwreck, I've read two articles the past few days that claim Minaya is the only reason why Randolph is still in a job and that Jeff wants him gone , so the firing of coaches could be seeing as a way to appease Jeff .

Both articles are not from beat writers so who knows.

Klapisch

Minaya's full autonomy more like fool autonomy

[Benjamin Grimm]

The article itself doesn't contain anything new, or anything definite, but this headline on an article from NBC Sports (on MSNBC.com) made me think that a decision had been made:

] Mets reportedly to fire coaches, not Randolph Manager's job safe for now, but pitching coach will be let go Monday

[Guest AG/DC]

Wow, how many bunts has Peterson called?

Does it giv ea source?

[Benjamin Grimm]

Quoted the Daily News on speculation that coaches may be fired, and unnamed sources that Jerry Manuel might be the interim replacement.

As I said above (but not as explicitly as I should have), there's nothing in the article itself about Peterson being fired today. It's just in the headline.

[Guest AG/DC]

I think there'll be nothing nu. If anybody was to be axed, it likely would have been before the plane ride.

[Benjamin Grimm]

That would make too much sense.

I wouldn't put it past them to fire Willie (or a coach or two) upon arrival at the ballpark.

Or maybe, if they decide that they don't want to look as dysfunctional as they probably are, they'll wait until after tonight's game, or before tomorrow's game.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

I think they're one more bad series away from pulling the trigger.

Now, the key there is what they consider bad. Does losing two of three to a good team like the Angels do it, or does it have to be another four-way killing by the Padres or their ilk?

[Guest AG/DC]

Can we use this thread here to return to �ieto?

Here's my theory: Tommy �. did nothing wrong, except maybe be a potential manager in the house of a guy who needs no internal rivals.

Johnson, I've already guessed, survived because (1) Wright is loyal to him, (2) he's had a tenure of less than a year, (3) the offense didn't tank last September, (4) beloved ex-Met, yadda, yadda.

Guy Conti survived because he's Pedro's white Daddy.

The Sandys Alomar survived, despite Sandy Sr. being Willie's most trusted advisor, because there was no way for the Mets to not look stinky firing a guy with less than half a season on the job, firing a father and a son the night after father's day, splitting up a father and a son the night after father's day, or doing either on any day. Besides, they axe one, the other likely walks on principle, and they take another black eye.

[G-Fafif]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: That would make too much sense. I wouldn't put it past them to fire Willie (or a coach or two) upon arrival at the ballpark. Or maybe, if they decide that they don't want to look as dysfunctional as they probably are, they'll wait until after tonight's game, or before tomorrow's game.

Grimmy's a visionary!

[seawolf17]

Actually, I always thought Grimmy was Omar Minaya incognito.