The mitchell LIST! -- the In-Report Thread

[Guest OlerudOwned]

]Only current Met I see is Castro.

(Sound of contract quickly being tendered to Estrada.)

[Gwreck]

The other Yankees being named are Kyle Farnsworth, Jason Giambi and Johnny Damon.

[Valadius]

It will be a good day if Piazza is exonerated.

And the list from Deadspin HAS to be joking about Neifi Perez.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Valadius wrote: Clemens and Pettitte's "strenuous workout routine" is a load of crap then.

Well, not necessarily. The roids make it easier to work out harder and longer -- but you still have to do the work.

That said, I can now feel justified in my dislike of all things Clemens. Bat-chucking bastard that he is.

[Gwreck]

Valadius wrote: It will be a good day if Piazza is exonerated.

Not being on the list is hardly exoneration.

Valadius wrote: And the list from Deadspin HAS to be joking about Neifi Perez.

What are you talking about? He's already been caught and suspended twice.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Also, it's a report coming out today, not a list.

[Valadius]

He was? I guess I forgot then.

[Frayed Knot]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Also, it's a report coming out today, not a list.

Egg-Xactly!!

This thing is a (hopefully) comprehensive 300+ page document, not just a roster. As I said in another thread (and, from the leaked synopsis so far, it seems to be the case) the purpose of this thing should be to figure out what mis-steps and ignored signs over the last decade-plus got the sport into this mess in the first place and to lay out suggestions for avoiding similar problems in the future.
NOT being on the list is not the same as exoneration and being on it just means that you were unlucky that your particular method of obtaining the drugs was one of the few they could trace.

Having said all that I don't particularly care that naming names in conjunction with the report is going to embarrass some people and possibly even screw up a few HoF chances. But the names on this thing should really be treated as the appetizer rather than the main course - even though most of the media (at least initially) is likely do things the other way around.

[Valadius]

Seriously, if none of the 2000 Mets are in the report, I want a damn parade for the REAL 2000 World Series Champions.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Vlad, do you really need to be reminded twice in the same thread that the report coming out today is not a list of every player who cheated, or necessarily, one that exonerates guys whose names don;t appear?

The message we should get was this was an epifuckingdemic.

[Valadius]

I know. I'm just really angry at Clemens and Pettitte, and that we probably got robbed.

Steve Phillips, on ESPN, just said that he suspects that 5 or 6 guys on the Mets from 1997 to 2003 were on steroids.

[Guest Kid Carsey]

MFS: >>>when you have a chance, you've just got to tell us what else you look at closely during your free time<<<

I think I'm paraphrasin' Wild Bill Hicock from a Deadwood episode, always
struck me as a funny expression.

I've adapted it to describe a friend of mines, uh, frugality from time to time
also.

T-minus 7 minutes, office closed, four hours of ESPNews ... yay. Honey, go
buy more beer and pass the chips and dip!

[Frayed Knot]

This is also NOT about thinking we can go back in time and alter past results in some sort of attempt to put them as we think they might have been had steroids never existed.
And unless they've discovered evidence of [u:c85cb4161c]recent[/u:c85cb4161c] use for some of these names there's probably not going to be any suspensions resulting from this.

[Valadius]

Clemens took steroids, ESPN reports.

LO DUCA NAMED.

[Guest Kid Carsey]

Cancelled checks cited from Paul Lo Duca!!!

[Valadius]

Also Fernando Vina, Rondell White.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Omar: "I just got 10% smarter, you know?"

[Valadius]

Mitchell Report online at mlb.com.

[Guest Kid Carsey]

Entire report soon to be posted on mlb.com according to Mitchell.

(I ain't gonna turn this into an IGT, so don't worry fellas)

[Guest Kid Carsey]

Valad has a faster internet connection than me.

[Frayed Knot]

List coming out:
Divided, apparently, into "groups" based on how they were discovered.

Below is a [u:ca79dde3d7]partial list[/u:ca79dde3d7] of 'The Radomski Group', ie, those who names were obtained via the ex-NYM clubhouse boy.
I didn't get them all as they were being read off:

Lenny Dykstra
Jack Cust
Josias Mazanilla
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Grudzelanek
Andy Pettitte
Clemens
Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Gregg Zahn
David Justice
FP Santangelo
GlenAllen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Chris Donnels
Todd Pratt
Kent Merker
Miguel Tejada
Jerry Hairston Jr

[Guest Rotblatt]

I know you guys are all right that not being on the list hardly means one was innocent, but I still feel the same way Vlad does about Piazza. If he's not on the list, while all the other dudes who've been suspected over the years (Nomar, Clemens, Tejada, Rocker, etc.) are, it will FEEL like a vindication to me.

There's no way to prove innocence, so we'll never really know if he used PED's, but for my part, I will celebrate if he's not in the report released today, if for no other reason than it makes it a little less likely that a guy I loved to root for cheated on his way to being the best hitting catcher in MLB history.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Well, my world has no meaning.

[Valadius]

Manny Alexander had steroids in his car in 2000.

[Valadius]

Ricky Bones, who is now employed by the Mets, had steroids in his locker while with the Marlins.

OE: The Super-Sacred Super-Size Seaver Post! Too bad it has to be about this subject.

[metsmarathon]

not matt franco!

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

HAIL!!!!!

And what a day to salute Seaver, who needed nothing extra to kick some butt.

[Benjamin Grimm]

="George Mitchell"]Todd Hundley Todd Hundley played as a catcher with three teams in Major League Baseball from 1990 until 2003 (the New York Mets, Los Angeles Dodgers, and Chicago Cubs). He was with the Mets from 1990 to 1998. He played in All-Star games in 1996 and 1997. Radomski has known Hundley since 1988, when Radomski worked for the Mets and Hundley played in the Mets� minor league system.380 Radomski stated that, beginning in 1996, he sold Deca-Durabolin and testosterone to Hundley on three or four occasions. At the beginning of that year, Radomski told Hundley that if he used steroids, he would hit 40 home runs. Hundley hit 41 home runs in 1996, having never hit more than 16 in any prior year. After the season, Radomski said, Hundley took him out to dinner. Chris Donnels played with Hundley in 2000 when they were both with the Los Angeles Dodgers. Donnels admitted to my investigative staff that Radomski supplied him with performance enhancing substances. Donnels recalled having extensive discussions with Hundley about his performance enhancing substance use and about Radomski while they were teammates. Hundley�s name, with two addresses and three telephone numbers, is listed in the address book seized by federal agents from Radomski�s residence. In order to provide Hundley with information about these allegations and to give him an opportunity to respond, I asked him to meet with me; he declined.

[Benjamin Grimm]

="George Mitchell"] Josias Manzanillo Josias Manzanillo pitched for eight teams in Major League Baseball between1991 and 2004, the Boston Red Sox, Milwaukee Brewers, New York Mets, New York Yankees,Seattle Mariners, Pittsburgh Pirates, Cincinnati Reds, and Florida Marlins.Radomski stated that when he was working for the Mets in 1994, Manzanilloasked Radomski to inject him with the steroid Deca-Durabolin that Manzanillo provided.Radomski did so in the Mets clubhouse. Radomski said that this was the only instance in whichhe actually observed a major league player using steroids. In order to provide Manzanillo with information about these allegations and togive him an opportunity to respond, I asked him to meet with me. His lawyer proposedarranging an interview, but we were unable to do so before the completion of the investigation.His lawyer provided the following proffer of what Manzanillo would say if he was interviewed: Manzanillo claimed that a Mets clubhouse attendant nicknamed "Murdock"approached him repeatedly in the early 1990s and encouraged him to buy steroids. (Radomski�snickname when he worked in the Mets clubhouse was "Murdock.") The clubhouse attendantreportedly told Manzanillo that if he used steroids he would gain velocity on his fastball.Manzanillo ultimately paid for one cycle of steroids from "Murdock" for approximately $200-$250. After paying for the steroids, Manzanillo�s lawyer said, he "chickened out or thoughtbetter of it" and never actually took possession of the steroids. Through his lawyer, Manzanillodenied ever using performance enhancing substances. Radomski said that he did not sell any steroids to Manzanillo and that his onlysubstance-related involvement with Manzanillo was when he injected him with steroids in theclubhouse. Radomski stated that he remembered the event clearly because it was the only timehe ever injected a player with steroids. In 2001, Manzanillo was playing with the Pittsburgh Pirates. According torecords produced by the Commissioner�s Office, on September 7, 2001, Jose Cervantes wasdetained by a resident security agent at the Angels� stadium in Anaheim. Cervantes reportedlywas found in possession of various prescription medications; he admitted that he brought drugsacross the Mexican border and sold them to a number of major league players (but not steroids orhuman growth hormone). Cervantes provided the investigators with the names of those playersto whom he had sold drugs; he also provided them with his cell phone and allowed them toretrieve the telephone numbers of those players. Cervantes said that he provided antiinflammatorymedications to Manzanillo, and Manzanillo�s name and telephone number wereamong those listed. Through his lawyer, Manzanillo said that he "knew nothing about such anincident" or why his name was in Cervantes�s cell phone directory.

[nymr83]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: HAIL!!!!! And what a day to salute Seaver, who needed nothing extra to kick some butt.

Hail!

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