Mets Prospect Rankings

[Willets Point]

Edgy DC wrote: There has to be a way we can turn Mulvey's birth circumstance into a walloping nickname. Where's Valadius when you need him?

Baby Doc.

[Guest sharpie]

We don't know if she was watching the game to watch Doc or to watch Fernando Valenzuela.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Baby Doc works for me. And until further notice, I dub Jonathan Niese "The Prize Winner of Defiance, Ohio."

[metirish]

Keith Law on Fernando Martinez

] Fernando Martinez (Mets): No prospect shone more brightly in the Arizona Fall League; Martinez's ability and demeanor fit in perfectly with players five or more years his senior.

Keith Law, formerly the special assistant to the general manager for the Toronto Blue Jays, is the senior baseball analyst for Scouts Inc.


I can't wait for opening day 2012

[MFS62]

Edgy DC wrote: I shouldn't be posting subscription content.

Edgy, I believe the no-no is if you reprint that content with the objective of making money from it. In this case you were performing a public service.
Thank you.

And if I'm wrong, on your next birthday I hope that Scarlett can plant a file or saw in that birthday cake she generally posts to help you get out of jail.

Later

[Guest Edgy DC]

No. The no-no is doing it without permission. I'm in the business. I know the rules.

[MFS62]

Thanks.

Later

[Frayed Knot]

Except that this was content which was specifically in a pay-for-view section of a website.
And, even if it wasn't, reprinting things in their entirety may not be kosher even though no one is making any money off it; after all, others can claim that they are losing money because of it.
Laws vary depending on juristiction - and I'm certainly not pretending to be an expert here - but, in general, we should try to refrain from simply cut-n-pasting entire articles. Though the odds of this little site doing enough to get legal action brought down upon our heads is very small, using excerpts and links is a better way to go.

[MFS62]

Edgy, the Devilish side of me was going to post something like:

Posting subscription stuff is a no-no
If you do it right to jail you will go-go

But as I sit here in the Loser's Lounge, the good side of me realized how much that would have hurt.

Later

[nymr83]

cutting and pasting an entire article froma free area is unethical (imo) and pretty annoying to have to read/scroll through the whole thing to find the rerlevant part. copy the most relevant couple of lines and provide a link.

[Frayed Knot]

Baseball Prospectus takes each team's Top-Ten prospects (see first post in this thread) and adds a glance at the rest of each system to comes up with an overall ranking of minor league talent

Mets come out 8th overall (and best in the NL East) with the usual caveat thrown in about good top talent but weak depth.

Few teams in baseball have two outfielders to match Fernando Martinez and Carlos Gomez or two righthanders to match the duo of Philip Humber and Mike Pelfrey. So they get huge points for top-level talent, but there is little to talk about after that.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Seeing no interest in the Inside Pitch rankings in their own thread I'll post them here. Milledge has graduated and no longer qualifies as a prospect. So apparently has Soler.

Many of the guys listed as NR for 2006 weren't ranked because they hadn't established themselves as pros not because they were ill-considered.

All these guys included who weren't ranked last year could be interpreted as a deep new class, but is more likely due to (a) a shallow class last year, ( a bad job by Inside Pitch last year, or © the haphazardness of doing this sort of thing beyond 10 or 20 fellas.

2007 Ranking	2006 Ranking	Prospect	Pos	High 2006 Level	Main 2006 Level	DOB	H	W	B	T
1	2	Carlos Gomez	CF	Binghamton	Binghamton	12/4/85	6'4"	190	R	R
2	NR	Mike Pelfrey	SP	New York	Binghamton	1/14/84	6'7"	210	R	R
3	NR	Fernando Martinez	CF	St. Lucie	Hagerstown	10/10/88	6'0"	185	L	R
4	4	Philip Humber	SP	New York	St. Lucie	12/21/85	6'4"	210	R	R
5	5	Mike Carp	1B	St. Lucie	St. Lucie	6/30/86	6'2"	195	L	R
6	7	Shawn Bowman	3B	St. Lucie	St. Lucie	12/9/84	6'2"	206	R	R
7	NR	Jonathon Niese	SP	St. Lucie	Hagerstown	10/27/86	6'3"	190	L	L
8	NR	Deolis Guerra	SP	St. Lucie	Hagerstown	4/17/89	6'5"	200	R	R
9	11	Nick Evans	1B	Hagerstown	Hagerstown	1/30/86	6'2"	185	R	R
10	NR	Kevin Mulvey	SP	Binghamton	Binghamton	5/26/85	6'2"	190	R	R
11	13	Jose Coronado	SS	St. Lucie	St. Lucie	4/13/86	6'1"	175	S	R
12	NR	Hector Pellot	2B	Hagerstown	Hagerstown	2/8/87	5'11"	185	R	R
13	6	Ambiorix Concepcion	RF	Binghamton	St. Lucie	10/15/83	6'2"	180	R	R
14	NR	Michel Abreu	1B	Binghamton	Binghamton	1/2/79	6'3"	230	R	R
15	NR	Dustin Martin	OF	Brooklyn	Brooklyn	4/4/84	6'2"	210	L	L
16	NR	Tobi Stoner	SP	Brooklyn	Brooklyn	12/3/84	6'2"	192	S	R
17	10	Anderson Hernandez	2B	New York	Norfolk	10/30/82	5'9"	170	S	R
18	17	Brett Harper	1B	Binghamton	Binghamton	7/31/81	6'4"	210	L	R
19	NR	Eric Brown	SP	Binghamton	Brooklyn	2/23/84	6'6"	225	R	R
20	NR	Joe Smith	RP	Binghamton	Brooklyn	4/22/86	6'2"	205	R	R
21	NR	Emmanuel Garcia	SS	St. Lucie	Kingsport	4/4/86	6'2"	180	L	R
22	NR	Sean Henry	CF	Hagerstown	Kingsport	8/18/85	5'10"	160	R	R
23	NR	Daniel Stegall	OF	Gulf Coast	Gulf Coast	9/24/87	6'3"	180	L	R
24	NR	John Holdzkom	RP	Gulf Coast	Gulf Coast	10/19/87	6'8"	275	R	R
25	NR	Sean McCraw	CF	Brooklyn	Kingsport	3/11/86	6'0"	180	L	R
26	43	Bobby Parnell	SP	St. Lucie	Hagerstown	9/8/84	6'3"	180	R	R
27	30	Robert Paulk	SP	Norfolk	Binghamton	3/14/81	5'11"	170	R	R
28	16	Chase Lambin	2B	Norfolk	Norfolk	7/7/79	6'1"	180	R	R
29	NR	Eddie Camacho	SP	Binghamton	Binghamton	7/17/82	6'1"	191	L	L
30	NR	Mike Devaney	SP	Binghamton	Binghamton	7/31/82	6'4"	220	R	R
31	NR	Jake Ruckle	SP	St. Lucie	Brooklyn	5/27/86	6'1"	180	R	R
32	NR	German Marte	RP	Hagerstown	Hagerstown	4/29/85	6'1"	180	R	R
33	NR	Jorge Reyes	SP	Hagerstown	Brooklyn	5/15/84	6'4"	168	R	R
34	15	Corey Ragsdale	SS	Binghamton	Binghamton	11/10/82	6'4"	185	R	R
35	NR	Corey Coles	OF	St. Lucie	St. Lucie	1/30/82	6'0"	180	L	L
36	9	Jamar Hill	RF	St. Lucie	St. Lucie	9/20/82	6'4"	200	R	R
37	NR	Todd Privett	SP	Brooklyn	Brooklyn	4/22/86	6'0"	185	L	L
38	NR	Daniel Murphy	3B	Brooklyn	Kingsport	1/4/85	6'1"	210	L	R
39	NR	Jose De La Torre	SP	Brooklyn	Brooklyn	10/17/85	5'11"	165	R	R
40	34	Miguel Pinango	SP	Binghamton	Binghamton	1/20/83	6'1"	160	R	R
41	41	Drew Butera	C	Hagerstown	Hagerstown	8/9/83	6'1"	190	R	R
42	NR	Nick Carr	SP	Kingsport	Kingsport	4/19/87	6'1"	198	R	R
43	NR	Julio Polanco	SP	Kingsport	Kingsport	11/29/86	6'0"	165	L	L
44	NR	Josh Stinson	SP	Hagerstown	Gulf Coast	3/14/88	6'4"	195	R	R
45	NR	Brandon Nall	RP	Binghamton	Hagerstown	9/1/82	6'4"	185	R	R
46	50	Joe Holden	OF	Hagerstown	Brooklyn	4/10/84	5'11"	175	L	R
47	NR	Yasmil Bucce	C	St. Lucie	St. Lucie	4/29/84	6'1"	180	R	R
48	NR	Bobby Malek	OF	Norfolk	Binghamton	6/6/81	6'3"	205	L	R
49	47	Matt Durkin	SP	Hagerstown	Gulf Coast	2/22/83	6'4"	220	R	R
50	NR	Jonathan Malo	3B	St. Lucie	St. Lucie	9/9/83	6'1"	185	R	R

[Frayed Knot]

[u:fb164f299a]Baseball Prospectus[/u:fb164f299a] is the first to weigh in with their Top 100 Rankings


1 - Alex Gordon, 3B, Royals, (Age = 23)
2 - Philip Hughes, RHP, Yankees, 21
3 - Delmon Young, OF, Devil Rays, 21
4 - Homer Bailey, RHP, Reds, 21
5 - Brandon Wood, SS, Angels, 22
6 - Tim Lincecum, RHP, Giants, 23
7 - Cameron Maybin, OF, Tigers, 20
8 - Chris Young, OF, Diamondbacks, 23
9 - Jay Bruce, OF, Reds, 20
10 - Evan Longoria, 3B, Devil Rays, 21
....
Home Boys:
18 - Fernando Martinez, OF, 18
26 - Philip Humber, RHP, 24
30 - Mike Pelfrey, RHP, 23
34 - Carlos Gomez, OF, 21

[Guest Edgy DC]

Gomez confounds me. Inside Pitch has him as the team's top prospect, but Baseball Prospectus has him fourth, but still --- as the 34th overall prospect --- pretty damn high for a guy that's been mostly potential more than performance.

That's in part because the Mets have been promoting aggressively, and Carlos gets bumped up as soon as he figures a level out, but Martinez has been promoted more aggressively and still has out-performed Go-Go.

[smg58]

Gomez strikes me as the best candidate to deal between him, Milledge, and Martinez, because he's the least likely of the three to put up strong offensive numbers for a corner outfielder. Sure he's probably the best defensive CF of the three, perhaps by a lot given his rep, but the Mets won't need a CF any time soon.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Most sources, I think, project him as a rightfielder, as his arm is his best trait.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Well, if Gomez is the real deal, he doesn't have to be dealt.

He'll be 26 when Beltran's contract runs out. One scenario is that he could spend a couple of more years in the minors and then a few as a major league fourth outfielder.

[Frayed Knot]

And who says that Beltran can't be moved to a corner spot by the 6th or 7th year of his deal?
Yeah, I know, it's never an easy thing with those big contract guys in glamour positions - although even Griffey is likely moving this year - but I think they view Gomez as the best bet to be a true CFer down the road out of the three young OFers.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Just to point out. Peeps don't usually climb the Inside Pitch list too rapidly. They tend to debut where they are and either maintain that position or fall as they approach their big-league debuts. A notable exception this year: Bobby Parnell.

[Vic Sage]

here's the thread where we discussed our top prospects back in November:
http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=5101&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=40

with my projected rankings at that time:

]top 15: Pelfrey, RHP Humber, RHP F.Martinez, OF C.Gomez, OF Bannister, RHP Owens, RHRP J.Flores, C Carp, 1B Coles, OF Guerra, RHP Neise, LHP Soler, RHP Mulvey, RHP J.Smith, RHRP M.Abreu, 1B next 20 (in no particular order): Wylie,RHRP B.Harper, 1b Parnell, RHP D.Martin, OF G.Marte, RHRP S.Henry, OF M.Garcia, 2b T.Stoner, RHP N.Evans, 3b J.Holden, OF Nall, RHRP Tomasiewicz, RHRP M.Perez, RHRP Devaney, RHP C.Stewart, of Collazo, RHP Lindstrom, RHRP Cullen, RHRP Privett, LHP Maldonado, RHRP It looks like the Mets prospects are mostly RHPs, OFs and some 1Bs, with very few middle infield or LHP prospects. 20 kids from 2006 draft were signed and played in the Mets system last year, and the productive ones were almost exclusively RHPs. Dustin Martin (of) was the only non-pitcher to show promise, and Duane Privett the only LHP to make progress.

[Benjamin Grimm]

A sneak preview of what's still behind the curtain at the UMDB:

Fernando Martinez

Carlos Gomez

Mike Nickeas


I'll probably open some of this stuff up to the public around Opening Day, although the minor league stats won't be nearly complete by then, if ever.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Cute. The Nickeas page links to the Victor Diaz page, but the Diaz page doesn't link back.

It'll be fun to see if some never-made-it would-be Met (like Shake Moore!) gets memories posted to his page from fans in Jackson, MS, or Little Falls, NY.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Edgy DC wrote: Cute. The Nickeas page links to the Victor Diaz page, but the Diaz page doesn't link back.

So far, no pages (other than this one) link to Mets minor leaguers who haven't played in the big leagues. Once I open things up, Diaz will link back to Nickeas.

Edgy DC wrote: It'll be fun to see if some never-made-it would-be Met (like Shake Moore!) gets memories posted to his page from fans in Jackson, MS, or Little Falls, NY.

I'm still undecided whether or not I'll open that particular can of worms. It will literally allow for memories of thousands of additional players to be shared, and I don't know whether or not I want to take that on.

A memory of Shake Moore would be neat, though.

[Guest Edgy DC]

What Google tells me about Shake:

• He was a 31st-round draft choice in 1980.


• He came out of Long Beach State University (a Dirtbag!).



• Pressbox personel in the 1970s at The Ballpark Southeast of the Stockyards will never forget longtime local sports scribe LES GILES keeping them in stitches by creating nicknames and quips off players' names long before CHRIS BERMAN was doing it on ESPN. One evening the Texas League's Jackson Mets fielded a team that featured outfielder SHAKE MOORE and third baseman CHAD ROLLE. Giles commented, "If only they had a player named 'Rattle', they'd have 'Shake, Rattle and Rolle'."........

  Source: Golden Spread News

[Benjamin Grimm]

The Golden Spread Region???

[Benjamin Grimm]

And here's what the UMDB currently has on Shake Moore:

http://leaptoad.com/mets/profile.php?PlayerCode=3J88

It ain't much, I'm afraid.

[Guest abogdan]

Sidd Finch didn't get as much admiration in SI as Carlos Gomez and Fernando Martinez do in this piece from Ken Rosenthal. Some highlights:

]None other than Beltran says of Gomez, "He doesn't know how good he is." "He's more talented than I was at his age," Beltran says. "He weighs about 200 pounds. When I was that age, I maybe weighed 175. He's a very strong kid." Reyes, Gomez's winter-workout partner and one of the fastest players in the game, freely admits that Gomez "is faster than me." His arm? "A cannon," Mets outfielder Endy Chavez says.

]Tales of Martinez's hitting prowess already are becoming legend. He worked out with the Mets immediately after signing his contract and hit an opposite-field homer at Shea Stadium. He hit another homer two-thirds up the batter's eye in center early in spring training, prompting owner Fred Wilpon to exclaim, "Wow."

[Benjamin Grimm]

Beltran? Isn't he the Met with hair?

[Frayed Knot]

[u:330eea2550]Baseball America[/u:330eea2550] is out with their Top 100 Prospects List

Not a whole lot different from the [u:330eea2550]Baseball Prospectus[/u:330eea2550] list (above) except that BA keeps with their tradition of listing foreign professionals and not only includes 'Dice-K' but puts him right at the top.

1 - Daisuke Matsuzaka - RHP, Boston
2 - Alex Gordon - 3B, Kansas City
3 - Delmon Young - OF, Tampa Bay
4 - Phillip Hughes - RHP, NYY
5 - Homer Bailey - RHP, Cincinnati
6 - Cameron Maybin - OF, Detroit
7 - Evan Longoria - 3B, Tampa Bay
8 - Brandon Wood - SS/3B, Anaheim
9 - Justin Upton - OF, Arizona
10 - Andrew Miller - LHP, Detroit


Home Boys:
20 - Mike Pelfrey
22 - Fernando Martinez
60 - Carlos Gomez
73 - Philip Humber


They also had an on-line Q&A session with only a few Met-related questions:




** Q: Peter from San Diego asks:
I'm assuming that Lasting Milledge's omission is because he had too many major league ABs last year?

A: Jim Callis: You are correct. He would have been in the 15-30 range otherwise.



** Q: Mike from Cali asks:
Why is Pelfrey listed so much higher than Humber? Is it purely injury concerns? What separates them so much for you?

A: Jim Callis: That's part of it. I also just like Pelfrey better. I think he can be a frontline guy, while Humber is more of a No. 3 to me.

[Guest Edgy DC]

It looks like Jesus Flores is a memory. He's 10-20 this spring so he's certainly got a job with the Nats sewn up. Keeping that job for a year is another story, but it's not like it's unlikely.

As far as catching prospects, keep an eye on Yasmil Bucce. He seems to be now considered the top defensive catching prospect in the system. He's going on 23 and he's only had 109 professional at-bats, but he's hit .339 in that span (though with an isolated slugging percentage of only .092). I suspect the Mets will push him hard and see how he responds.