Optimism

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

A strange sense of clam?

Ewwww!

[Vic Sage]

We're going to take Carpenter to the woodshed and we'll be into their bullpen by the 4th inning. Maine will give us 5 decent IP and our bullpen will finally outpitch theirs, because water always seeks its own level.

i'll take a 7th game at home any time. Its not like they've got another ace to throw out there, either.

Damn the torpedoes!
Full speed ahead!

Go NADS! Go NADS! Go... oh ... um...

LGM!!

[soupcan]

]Now that he is one of those options, Maine is confident that he can help the Mets. "It will be all right," he said.

"It will be all right". See that? Rigfht there? THAT my friends is the definition of 'balls'

"Sit back, relax, calm, down Met fans, it's under control, I've got the ball tonight. It will be all right"

Oh yeah.

[Guest Rotblatt]

Since we lost Game 2, I started growing my beard (I operated under normal shaving operations leading up to the NLDS and decided I wouldn't switch up until we lost), and while it's not at the peak of its powers yet, I can just feel the good karma getting stronger by the minute.

Let's Go Mets!

[Willets Point]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Did Glavine run over your cat or something?

Nah, I just take umbrage with the contstant adulation of Glavine as our "ace," "clutch," and "a big game pitcher." These things may have been true in the distant past but not during 5 Inning Tommy's time as a Met. His heart is obviously still with the Braves and he's been mailing it in for three years as he cashes his paychecks. Thus I don't wan't the Mets to be reliant on Glavine when the season's on the line.

An "ace" would not automatically cough up an early lead when his team is playing on the road.
A "clutch pitcher" would be able to pitch more than 5 innings.
A "big game pitcher" would be able to pitch himself out of a jam.

Willie went right to the pen instead of giving Glavine a chance to pitch out of a jam because he knew that Glavine couldn't do it and was on the verge of a meltdown. Runs are scarce and precious in the postseason because the pitching steps up. Weaver - whom our own usually wise Frayed Knot declared suxx - stepped up last night. Glavine, did not.

[metirish]

Carpenter is 0-0 with an ERA of 9.00 this postseason...Maine is 0-0 with an ERA of 6.75.......Mets win.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Willets Point wrote: Nah, I just take umbrage with the contstant adulation of Glavine as our "ace," "clutch," and "a big game pitcher."

He is our ace, but only by default. It's faint praise, but he's better than John Maine, Steve Trachsel, and Oliver Perez.

Willets Point wrote: His heart is obviously still with the Braves and he's been mailing it in for three years as he cashes his paychecks.

His heart is obviously still with the Braves? I don't see that at all. How come nobody says that Pedro's heart is still with the Red Sox? Or that Beltran's is still in Kansas City? Is this more of this Triple Happiness nonsense?

And as for "mailing it in," his performance has been very bad at times, and very good at times as well. I don't think he's mailing it in; I think he's trying to adapt to pitching with less effective stuff than he used to have.

Willets Point wrote: Thus I don't wan't the Mets to be reliant on Glavine when the season's on the line.

You don't honestly prefer Maine or Perez or Trachsel, do you?

Willets Point wrote: Weaver - whom our own usually wise Frayed Knot declared suxx - stepped up last night. Glavine, did not.

No, last night he didn't step up. But he did in NLDS Game 2 and NLCS Game 1. Are you dismissing those two starts because they were at Shea? That doesn't make much sense. Or is it because he only pitched 13 innings in the two games, and not 15 or 16? That would be quibbling. I was glad to get 6 and 7 innings from our 40-year-old starter.

[Guest OlerudOwned]

Those bounces. Off the glove, past the glove, off the end of the bat, off the top of the wall.

They will go our way. We're due.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Truly there is no "constant adulation" of anybody here, except for maybe Mr. Met.

I think WP knows this and is just getting an early start on maudlin drinking.

[metirish]

I forget who,but one member recently expressed hatred for Mr.Met.

[Frayed Knot]

I can barely recall even intermittant adulation of Glavine.
Talk about your strawman arguments.


But if you insist:

Playoff runs given up:
- in Glavine started games: 1, 0, 4 (Avg Glavine IPs = 6-2/3)
- in Non-Glavine started games: 5, 5, 9, 5, 5 (Avg starter IPs = 3-2/3)

Insisting that it's good news that he'll pitch no more games for us this round, or that he's been some sort of choking dog who wishes he was elsewhere just sounds like more of this childish 'ewww, he's got Brave cooties' stuff that I thought went over well only on the playground during recess

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Call me an optimist, but the Mets have never done things easily in the postseason except for the last division series and perhaps the 1969 playoffs against the Braves.

This is what we do.

If we wanted things to be easy, we'd haul our asses up to the Bronx and root for the team with the $200 million payroll and an All-Star at every position.

That's not what we do. We are Mets fans.

[Willets Point]

Michigan, I said something similar in another thread, but you put it more eloquently.

Miracles and Magic are the keystones of the Amazin' Mets.

[Willets Point]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: You don't honestly prefer Maine or Perez or Trachsel, do you?

Yup. Maine at least.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Easy to say that now!

Right now I want John Maine to marry my single 24-year-old cousin.

[Guest Edgy DC]

It has never been and isnt' about to be a Maine-or-Glavine choice. They've been our two best options throughout this post-season, and a team tends to need more than two.

[Guest cooby]

I have a single 23 year old daughter, but I wouldn't want her to marry him! He looks kinda doofy

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

There's a difference between a cousin and a daughter, though.

I have a five-year-old daughter, and I'd be upset if she married John Maine.

[Guest cooby]

Because he's doofy looking, right?

[Guest sharpie]

Speaking of doofy looking, mrs. sharpie last night opined that the Cards are the worst looking team she's ever seen, giving only Encarnacion a good grade.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

cooby wrote: Because he's doofy looking, right?

What other reason would I have for not wanting my five-year-old daughter to marry a 25-year-old-man?

I guess I can think of one other reason: he has too much earning potential.

[Guest Rotblatt]

Oliver Perez at Shea this year:

3 GS, 19.3 IP, 3.72 ERA, 1.09 WHIP, 8.86 K/9, 2.1 K/BB, 0.93 HR/9

Jeff Suppan away from home this year:

15 GS, 82.1 IP, 5.36 ERA, 1.68 WHIP, 4.48 K/9, 1.21 K/BB, 1.20 HR/9

[Frayed Knot]

Right now, I want to marry John Maine
(nttawwt)

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Those numbers are encouraging, Rotblatt.

Here's the one regular season start Suppan had against the Mets this year. It was in St. Louis in May:

http://leaptoad.com/mets/gamedetail.php?gameno=7098

[Centerfield]

We're gonna fucking win. Suppan doesn't survive the first. Mets pitchers go on cruise control after the Mets reach double digits in the third inning.

[soupcan]

Suppan was 12-7 with an ERA over 4 this year.

If not for the fact that he got an early lead in Game 3 and Trachsel's married to Cruella DeVil you wouldn't even be worried about tonight's game.

The Shea Stadium mojo is going to be too much for Suppan to overcome. The Cards will fold.

[Valadius]

I'm gonna echo CF. We're gonna fucking win.

[MFS62]

] Next time you're found with your chin on the ground There's a lot to be learned so look around Just what makes that little ole ant Think he'll move that rubber tree plant? Anyone knows an ant can't Move a rubber tree plant But he's got hi-i-igh hopes, he's got hi-i-igh hopes He's got high apple pi-i-ie-in-the-sk-y-y hopes So, any time you're gettin' low, 'stead of lettin' go, just remember that ant Oops, there goes another rubber tree plant Oops, there goes another rubber tree plant Oops, there goes another rubber tree plant When troubles call and your back's to the wall There a lot to be learned that wall could fall Once there was a silly old ram Thought he'd punch a hole in a dam No one could make that ram scram He kept buttin' that dam 'cause he had hi-i-igh hopes, he had hi-i-igh hopes He had high apple pi-i-ie-in-the-sk-y-y hopes So, any time your feelin' bad, 'stead of feelin' sad, just remember that ram Oops, there goes a billion-kilowatt dam Oops, there goes a billion-kilowatt dam Oops, there goes a billion-kilowatt dam A problem's just a toy balloon, they'll be bursted soon They're just bound to go pop Oops, there goes another problem ker-plop Oops, there goes another problem ker-plop Oops, there goes another problem ker-plop Ker-plop!

You're not going against Frank Sinatra, are you? If you are, I'll have to tell "the boys".

Later

[Willets Point]

The past 11 home teams that won Game 6 of an LCS or World Series to stave off elimination have won Game 7, too. The last time a home team dropped Game 7 after winning Game 6 was the 1975 World Series, when Boston lost to Cincinnati's Big Red Machine.

Source

[Theoldmole]

I only read the optimism thread, never the defeatism thread.