Red Sox - Good businessmen or heartless bastards?

[soupcan]

Add your own.

I choose 'No.'

[Guest Edgy DC]

Whether or not the Sox should have extended Pedro shouldn't be based on "He deserved to finish with them."

[Guest Rotblatt]

I picked "no," but for pure baseball reasons. Pedro was the best option on the market, at least for 2005. They had a win-now team with Manny, Schilling & Varitek.

Instead of going for it, they tried to split the difference by signing Clement. And we all know how that's working out . . .

The Sox would have looked a lot better in the playoffs last year with Pedro helping them out. And yes, he's been injured most of this year, but a big part of that was slipping in Florida and injuring his hip. Totally random and could've happened to anyone--and might not have happened had he been on the Sox.

[metsmarathon]

the toe is about the only injury that i think would have happened to him if he were still on the sox.

the other injuries he's sustained are more likely a matter of chance than anything else.

the sox were stupid not to resign him, or, at the very least, not to replace him.

[Guest cooby]

I voted yes. Their loss is our gain and we have no idea how his health will be for the next two years. I'm banking on phenomenal success for him

[soupcan]

Edgy DC wrote: Whether or not the Sox should have extended Pedro shouldn't be based on "He deserved to finish with them."

It's another way of saying that he was valuable to the franchise in more ways than the just being a pitcher. That he and his personality enriched the Red Sox more than just by winning games

If you believe that then you believed that the franchise was indebted to him and should have shown appreciation regardless of his physical status.

If you don't believe this then you'd have to agree they were right not to sign him for multiple years based on his current condition and performance this season.

Unless you think there was a third reason they should have tendered him, which you were suggested to add.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'm with Rottie. I picked no, for baseball reasons.

He aslo would have been less of a commitment, presumably, had they extended him before 2004, than he ultimately was for the Mets.

[RealityChuck]

Pedro's problems this year were pretty much bad luck -- starting with his slipping and hurting his hip in Florida. It's likely everything else stemmed from that, and certainly his current injury was related to his injury to his leg. Until the first, however, he was pitching just fine (yes, no wins in May, but he was pitching well).

One he's fully healed over the winter, there's no reason to believe he won't be the pitcher he was last spring. He won't be the dominant Pedro of a few years ago, but he'll be a first-class starter for at least another year and probably until the end of his contract. The Red Sox could have used him.

[MFS62]

I'm glad that he was shut down before he injured his arm by trying to compensate for the foot and leg injuries (as Dizzy Dean did).

As for Boston, I think its kind of ironic that two of the pitchers they were able to afford by not resigning Pedro - Schilling and Burnett have spent time on the DL since.

Later

[metirish]

Not many people gloating over at the Sons of Sam Horn.

] Fucking ridiculous. The best pitcher to ever pitch for this team gets hurt, it's a career threatening injury and some are patting themselves on the back saying "SEE! I TOLD YOU SO!!" I just hope the guy can pitch effectively again, fuck the contract. This is some pretty sad news.

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=12001&st=20

[Frayed Knot]

Keep in mind also that the Sox offered Pedro a 3-year deal.
It's not like they "knew something" and wisely backed out altogether. Nor, btw, have they gotten off scott-free from the (older) pitcher that they DID sign to an extension. Schilling missed virtually all of '05 plus a good chunk of '06. Then, just for good measure, he used the word 'IF' the other day when discussing his pitching plans for '07.

[Guest Edgy DC]

That's some good reading.

1) That quote from James Andrews is insanely sobering.

2) Reading Red Sox fans be jealous (though hardly unanimously) of the work of Mets management makes me pinch myself.

[metirish]

]1) That quote from James Andrews is insanely sobering.

I can't find it..what was it?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Page four. A poster name someoneanywhere snagged this from another thread.

DaveRoberts'Shoes @ Sep 28 2006, 12:17 AM wrote: As for how players tend to do after rotator cuff repairs... don't be looking for Matt Clement on a pitching mound near you any time in the near future, or ever again for that matter. Jim Andrews published a study in the American Jounal of Sports Medicine this year that basically said that rotator cuff repair in pro baseball players, especially pitchers, is essentially the death-knell for their career. To quote from the paper's abstract: At a mean follow-up of 66.6 months for the pitchers, only 1 player (8%) was able to return to a high competitive level of baseball with no significant shoulder dysfunction after mini-open repair of a full-thickness rotator cuff tear. Of the 2 position players with mini-open repairs of the full-thickness rotator cuff tear of their dominant shoulders, 1 was able to return to professional baseball. Of the 2 position players with mini-open repairs of the full-thickness rotator cuff tear of their nondominant shoulders, both were able to return to professional baseball at the same or higher level.

[stevejrogers]

I'd still do it. If nothing else it was akin to a Piazza/Hernandez type of move that shaked up the culture around Shea.

Something that was lacking in the 2004 Mets (well before a certain Anna B showed up)

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Lupica's evaluation -

]One more time, here is the math on Pedro: They signed him for four years, hoped for three, still haven't gotten two. But if they somehow manage to get to the World Series in Year 2 of his contract, even with this starting pitching, guess what? The guy was worth it.