Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 If Matsui were available, would it be OK to run him out to second to juice up the lineup?
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 Seriously, I want to challenge the notion of "proved he can't hit," or at least explore the meaning of it.
Elster88 Old-Timey Member Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 It can't be done. Believe me, I've tried.
Guest Johnny Dickshot Guests Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 Edgy DC wrote:If Matsui were available, would it be OK to run him out to second to juice up the lineup?Yes.
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 There we go. There's one nut in the bag.Does anybody have one of those MLE projections of what Anderson Hernandez could be projected to hit going into this season?
Elster88 Old-Timey Member Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 Maybe start up a poll instead of clogging up this thread. Now that you've gotten a Yes, I'm curious.
duan Old-Timey Member Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 Edgy DC wrote:There we go. There's one nut in the bag.Does anybody have one of those MLE projections of what Anderson Hernandez could be projected to hit going into this season?the 50th percentile of Pecota tabs him at.302 OBP and .361 slugging.
duan Old-Timey Member Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 horribly it had Matsui projected at.308 obp .372 slg. god that's grim.
Guest sharpie Guests Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 Here's another yes vote, especially if Cliff and Carlos are going to miss more than, say, one more game.
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 We need more. You know what Arlo said, if two people do it, they'll think you're a couple of faggots and they won't take either of you.
metirish Old-Timey Member Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 For whatever reason I still believe Matsui has something to offer this team, so peg me as a yes.
Elster88 Old-Timey Member Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 Edgy, I think you meant Matsui, not Woody in the thread title.
DocTee Old-Timey Member Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 I think Matsui should be in there most dyas, not just when injuries hamper our lineup-- so put me down as a YES.
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 ]Edgy, I think you meant Matsui, not Woody in the thread title.No, I mean if Nymr83 can get down with the idea of juicing the lineup with Woody (as he said in a post I didn't split off), that he can actually be described as an improvement --- it opens the door to the idea that maybe extending Matsui's exile as long as possible is not a good strategy but a bitter and self-defeating one.Clarity is lost when I leave half the thread's thesis behind. Sorry.
Guest abogdan Guests Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 If the Mets are interested in getting more offense at 2B, I'd start with Jeff Keppinger before running Matsui out there. But, yes, I think the offensive upgrade from Hernandez' .119/.133/.119 career line to Matsui's career .265/.320/.380 would be more than the downgrade in defense. If Beltran and Floyd are out for any significant amount of time, the lineup will need all of the offensive upgrades it can get.
nymr83 Old-Timey Member Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 Edgy DC wrote:]Edgy, I think you meant Matsui, not Woody in the thread title.No, I mean if Nymr83 can get down with the idea of juicing the lineup with Woody (as he said in a post I didn't split off), that he can actually be described as an improvement --- it opens the door to the idea that maybe extending Matsui's exile as long as possible is not a good strategy but a bitter and self-defeating one.Clarity is lost when I leave half the thread's thesis behind. Sorry.Matsui and Woodward are both moderate upgrades over what i expect out of Hernandez offensively, though when you factor in defense i still believe Hernandez to have the best chance of being the most useful.With the sudden n eed for offense i have no problem with either of them (thouhg i prefer Keppinger) getting the starts at 2B (and keeping the job for as long as they are performing even if Beltran and Floyd come back.)
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 OK, so Matsui hasn't proven he can't hit, but rather has suggested he can perhaps be a useful upgrade, for the time being, over what we have.Perhaps not. I agree, but we'll never find out if we hate the guy, scapegoat him, and exile him.
duan Old-Timey Member Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 abogdan wrote:If the Mets are interested in getting more offense at 2B, I'd start with Jeff Keppinger before running Matsui out there. But, yes, I think the offensive upgrade from Hernandez' .119/.133/.119 career line to Matsui's career .265/.320/.380 would be more than the downgrade in defense. If Beltran and Floyd are out for any significant amount of time, the lineup will need all of the offensive upgrades it can get.Are we all sold on the idea that Keppinger'd be an upgrade even offensively?I'm not.
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 I think it's a pretty good bet to think Keppinger in the short term is a better bet to perform with the bat than Hernandez.
Vic Sage Old-Timey Member Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 i'd rather have Matsui at 2b than Anderson at any point this season. as for the rest of the injury-reduced lineup:Reyes Woodward (cf)DelgadoWrightLoducaNadyValentin (lf)Matsui (2b)thus using Chavez and Anderson for late-inning defense ONLY. Woodward played some CF last year, didn't he?
Guest *62 Guests Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 A tale of two middle infielders ............. and pardon the Biblical references. please. Stats are thru end of '05.Player A .......... Blessed Be Mordecai !!!189 for 681 (.277) .......... 51 XBH (27%)........ 60 RBI ........ (.303/.395/.698)Player B ................ Cursed Be Haman !!193 for 727 (.265) ........... 57 XBH (30%) ....... 68 RBI ........ (.320/.380/.700)Kaz gets more flak for having produced eerily similar numbers as fan favorite Jose Reyes.Discuss.(first one to blame injuries gets a smack)
Guest *62 Guests Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 MORE WOODY !!!MORE KEPPINGER !!!!Buh-bye to Valentin and an Amtrak ticket to Norfolk for AH and we're a slightly better club.
Elster88 Old-Timey Member Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 *62 wrote:A tale of two middle infielders ............. and pardon the Biblical references. please. Stats are thru end of '05.Player A .......... Blessed Be Mordecai !!!189 for 681 (.277) .......... 51 XBH (27%)........ 60 RBI ........ (.303/.395/.698)Player B ................ Cursed Be Haman !!193 for 727 (.265) ........... 57 XBH (30%) ....... 68 RBI ........ (.320/.380/.700)Kaz gets more flak for having produced eerily similar numbers as fan favorite Jose Reyes.Discuss.(first one to blame injuries gets a smack)Those go OBP, SLG, OPS?
Guest *62 Guests Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 Elster88 wrote:Those go OBP, SLG, OPS?It's the only way I've ever seen them listed.
Elster88 Old-Timey Member Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 Wasn't sure. I've seen Avg/SLG/OPS AVG/OBP/SLG, etc.
Guest GYC Guests Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 Please do. As much crap as I've given Kaz, I'm always willing to give him another chance after he disappears for a while. I still think he can be at least an average defender and a good hitter. Probably not with the Mets, especially with the bipolar Shea fans, but he deserves a real chance, if he can stay healthy. There is no way in hell the Mets can get away with Valentin-Chavez-Hernandez-Pitcher, not even for one game. If that is how it will be, no matter the order, chalk the Mets up for a loss tonight and whatever other games they play, especially if it is Zambrano hitting. We need someone else there; Matsui, Woodward, etc. Hell, move people around, i.e. Lo Duca/Delgado in LF and start Castro/Franco... Something.
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 Bi-Polar fans should deal. Kowtowing to mooks just empowers them.
Elster88 Old-Timey Member Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 That's an idea!!! LoDuca to the outfield!!No way Willie has the brains to think of that.
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